so by submissive, you mean she lets you lead by default? What are your thoughts on the alpha female?Your own happiness is the best indicator. Ask yourself, am I happy? Does she make you a better person?
Drama is the other big one but it all depends on the person, I personally can't tolerate any at all so I need an easy going more submissive feminine chick which I have.
She definitely makes my life very interesting but it's just like anything right, sometimes I wish I was single but in the end, I know I better keep her.
I am already getting some on the side as we're open. I will NEVER get married or have kids.
She could've loved you and insisted you take on a lover. That would be the non-selfish thing to do. Very non-selfish would be she finds you someone suitable herself.I would never get any in the side of married. Call me old-fashioned, but I find adultery to be dishonorable, and it sucked when I was cheated on. Since I won't cheat, and my wife became asexual, I simply left her.
True. She is selfish, however. What is going to annoy me, even though it shouldn't, but human nature and all that, is that she will meet a man and all of the sudden, not be asexual for a while. When she acts upset that I left, I get annoyed because of that fact. All well, time to meet chicks and spin plates.She could've loved you and insisted you take on a lover. That would be the non-selfish thing to do. Very non-selfish would be she finds you someone suitable herself.
Now wait a minute, dishonorable? What about her vows to you? You can't be in a monogamous relationship if you're not having sex. You don't get up one morning and say, "Hey, I'm asexual and I don't feel like having sex anymore. I know I made vows to you but tough sh**." That's bait and switch at a minimum, which is dishonorable. Why would you be honorable with someone who is not being honorable with you?I would never get any in the side of married. Call me old-fashioned, but I find adultery to be dishonorable, and it sucked when I was cheated on. Since I won't cheat, and my wife became asexual, I simply left her.
I'm saying that if I have committed to a LTR, I wouldn't stray. And because my marriage became platonic, despite my warnings to her, I found it better to tell her that I was done. She needed to hear it. She removed her rings, and now I am free to do as I wish.Now wait a minute, dishonorable? What about her vows to you? You can't be in a monogamous relationship if you're not having sex. You don't get up one morning and say, "Hey, I'm asexual and I don't feel like having sex anymore. I know I made vows to you but tough sh**." That's bait and switch at a minimum, which is dishonorable. Why would you be honorable with someone who is not being honorable with you?
It's probably a waste of time to tilt at this particular windmill, but:If you are an alpha (or so you think) but become a beta the second you get with a women, I hate to say but you are indeed not an alpha but a beta.
I've always enjoyed being in a relationship. Having a fun female companion around is great.How do you like it?
Not sure what you mean by this. I can't change the way she acts or the way she looks.What would you change?
Mostly the way she treats me. I swear this chick is completely obsessed. It just proves to me that I'm at the top of her High Score List.What are some of the barometers that you use to measure the quality of your relationship?
This is an interesting subject because I've been there and done it. If my wife is being neglectful in the attention she gives me in any way, shape, or form, I'll have no problem getting some on the side.Would you consider getting some on the side if you were married?
I don't think it is that simple. It is right that it's tough to bet on the 20% and I don't want to spend my entire life having to game someone to get them to behave properly. If you don't inherently know how to behave, I don't want you. The world has changed really quickly in my opinion. I'm 42 and let me tell you, men a generation ago largely didn't put up with this crap. Men were in charge, that's it, no debate. The state wasn't quite there in enforcing slavery for men in a relationship. I grew up on that notion and logic tells you it should be that way. So now that things have literally changed overnight, you have to change your entire way of thinking. However, once you get into a marriage without that knowledge, it's game over these days. Most women know you're not in charge and can use the state anytime they like to enforce your compliance. I wanted a family, the type of family structure my dad had. I got into a marriage that is not in my favor. Again, it's easy to say, leave, but it's just not that simple. I make a very nice amount of money ever year but not enough to run two households of the type I have now. I'm not inclined to give alimony and child support so my wife can play house with some other guy, while I live in the fixer upper. Maybe the money isn't worth it but if I give that up, what was the point of trying to be successful? Even if I wanted to give it up, the long arm of the law can easily and quickly say no. And therein lies the trap of the modern woman. Oh yea, I'll give it up all the time. I'll comply with you. Once you get married? Oh, I didn't mean that and by the way, now we have kids, I'm entitled to have or more, at least for the near future.It's probably a waste of time to tilt at this particular windmill, but:
An alpha is a dominant male. That means that he is dominant of other males, like they look up to him as a leader, or he can defeat them on the field of battle (whatever that may be).
Even a beta, who follows other men, should be able to be dominant of a woman. Historically, a beta male should be masculine enough to dominate/lead his woman, and be the man in the relationship. It's only in recent decades that men have become so emasculated and feminized that they have forgotten (or never learned) how to be men. Being a masculine male does not require you to be an "alpha", which is the top male. Women like an alpha male because he is the top man available. But you don't have to be an alpha to be a man.
Your first sentence I quoted above sums up a lot of what I was trying to say. When I was growing up, men were the leaders. Feminism had gained a toehold, but men were still men, and men were still masculine, and expected to be. Now you are still going to have the majority of men in any population be "beta" (by definition), but the point is back then those betas knew they were still supposed to be men. The culture hadn't yet dressed them in pink little panties and told them they had to like it.I'm 42 and let me tell you, men a generation ago largely didn't put up with this crap. Men were in charge, that's it, no debate. The state wasn't quite there in enforcing slavery for men in a relationship. I grew up on that notion and logic tells you it should be that way. So now that things have literally changed overnight, you have to change your entire way of thinking. However, once you get into a marriage without that knowledge, it's game over these days.
I like it. I never thought I'd say this, but if you can through the initial 'holy crap I only have one p*ssy to f*ck stage', the sex gets better over time.How do you like it?
No question, the way progressive society views men and women. Already been hashed out in this thread.What would you change?
My attraction to her, her IL in me (very easy to gauge if you know what you're looking for)What are some of the barometers that you use to measure the quality of your relationship?
You're always going to want more than one woman. You have to make that moral choice.Would you consider getting some on the side if you were married?
We could argue a long time about what's moral and what's not... Rollo talked about it at some point and I wish I remembered his words cause he has this way or wording things but basically, most of what we consider moral is just plain common sense that most human beings agree to, such as do not murder. As a human being, we are social animals so it make sense. It goes along our nature, based on the environment we live in.You're always going to want more than one woman. You have to make that moral choice.