Men are attracted to helpless women

[ThisNThat]

There's a female single mother I know that said that a lot of men are turned off by her due to the fact that she doesn't need anyone's help.

This kind of contradicts the basic "Money, status...and the other thing) thought there was 3 mentioned here on this site.

Basically, she has no need for a provider. In fact, her last b/f was more of a FWB as it turned out when he tried to hint at getting married to her and she didn't want to. Funny, she was doing online dating for a while, too.

So, this means she doesn't need those 3 basics because she alone can provide ALL 3 for herself. (or is it just those 2?)

So she's saying,

Men: Hm, I can't help her, she has enough money to support herself...so I'll move onto a woman that's a hot waitress or something."

She's basically saying, men are attracted to HELPLESS women.

So does a woman need to be "helpless" if they are able to provide for her. If you have something to provide a woman, ie - money/status...but she has no need for neither, then it's all moot, right?

 

[lizardking82]

It is in our nature to provide. It is installed in us since hundredthousands of years and I do not find anything wrong with that. Just provide for some nice girl, not for the crazy bitches running around in large numbers lately.

 

[@Jonanthony]

The fact she mentions this issue to you indicates she does " have needs", validation,companionship etc.... Are you the FWB or planning to be?. Like individuals women seek various things.We all aim as men to be self sufficient. My take is good for her, she learned this and lives it.

 

[devilkingx2]

betas do that yes, but if you're not a beta/AFC then chances are being captain save a ho isn't high on your list of priorities

 

[dustmuffin]

I would rather a woman be financially secure. If a woman hits me up for money I move along.

 

[wifehunter]

Yes, especially ones tied to railroad tracks!!!

 

[SgtSplacker]

Yeah nothing sounds fishy there. Meet an independent girl and get pissed at how well she takes care of herself.

How about when a woman has her own money she just becomes a total biitch. And blames it on how independent she is and not that she's just a total nightmare to be around. Sounds fos to me.

 

[logicallefty]

I have fought with this issue as good as any man. Always being attracted to helpless women and wanting to help them.. THAT IS, until just the past couple of years. Picky as he|| about it now. I will not date a woman who works a sh|t job or none at all. There are two English words used together that will make be fly off the deep end more than about anything else. Those words: "gas money". My fist starts to clench just typing them out! And that's all because of the sh|t women I used to date who couldn't afford their own fvcking gas.. LLLLLOOOOOOOSERS!! Disgusting!!! No attraction!!! Puke!!!

 

[lizardking82]

I see a lot of guys here going with the "any guy who provides anything to any woman is a beta/AFC and thus, bad". I do not see it like that. Of course that there are tons of guys providing things for these crazy bitches who give them so little in return, but if you got a woman that is ready to bear your children, stay home and take care of them (good care), cook for you, clean the house and keep you tidy and all that, why would you not provide her the resources to do that?

As @SgtSplacker pointed out, women find it hard to handle power and independence. Most of them become self pretentious bitches (like they are not already by default LOL) if they know they earn more than you. They have not been used to have power and they cannot handle, that also because they are emotional. Men have been used to run things since ages. We lead, we make wars, we conquer, we create, we innovate. It is just another day in the office for us. Look at what happened since women have began being "in charge" of ****. You got the women voting for open borders, because why not? No matter what happens, in the end, it's all about the guy who ****s them. What do most of them care if they are ****ed by a white American or a brown Afghani or a black Somali? They don't care LOL Responsibility (other then raising children and taking care of household) is handled well by very, very few women in this world.

 

[devilkingx2]

I see a lot of guys here going with the "any guy who provides anything to any woman is a beta/AFC and thus, bad". I do not see it like that. Of course that there are tons of guys providing things for these crazy bitches who give them so little in return, but if you got a woman that is ready to bear your children, stay home and take care of them (good care), cook for you, clean the house and keep you tidy and all that, why would you not provide her the resources to do that?

that's one hell of an if dude.

until you find that if, it's best not to be a provider

 

[lizardking82]

that's one hell of an if dude.

until you find that if, it's best not to be a provider

I absolutely agree. I am not saying to go around providing **** for girls on a regular basis cause that is dumb. But when you got a girl that is even giving you stuff and does not mind at all cause she feels a lot for you, I mean, what's the problem being generous here and there? My last girlfriend, for example, did not have a problem paying for stuff we did. Like, she paid up half for everything and a lot of times was making me gifts and was buying me things. I mean, it would be completely non-sense for me to go in the mode "I am not married to you yet so I will not do almost anything". I guess it's very situational and contextual.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes, especially ones tied to railroad tracks!!!

Whatcha mean?

 

[wifehunter]

Whatcha mean?

 

[devilkingx2]

Whatcha mean?

it's a reference to an old cartoon

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yeah that one, thought you meant a impending gangbang, and you can't do nothing about it.

 

[ThisNThat]

Wolves on the hunt pick off the weakest in the herd.

I think that at our basic nature, men are "jerks" and women are "sociopaths".

Men wanting to "help women" are mostly just wolves hunting for meat like the rest of us.

Yeah, basically, if she can pay change her own oil and fix things around the home, what's the point?. Some men don't see the point in dating her since women have become the men that the men already are.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

It's literally a marriage of convenience. Weak, needy women often end up with weak, supplicating men. Like attracts like. We don't live in a hunter gatherer society anymore. I find the sort of comparisons and metaphors quite laughable.

Insecure, helpless women are easy to keep around, because their self esteems are propped up by attention and companionship of even the weakest beta males. They literally fill the voids in each others' existences, and live out the blue pill Disney fantasy.

However, just like a pandering beta provider is to a stronger woman, a docile, helpless woman who is always just there gets very boring, very quickly; and eventually quite draining, basically living vicariously through you. I've experienced this several times and I don't stick around for very long once I see this type of neediness in anyone anymore. Living in the Western society as I do today, I'm not going to be my a woman's personal assistant in any way, shape or form: supplication in the purest.

There is a fine balance to be struck, attempting to find feminine but stable women who don't need a personal assistant for activities of daily living. They are not uncommon, but they are more difficult to attract and keep around because, compared to weaker individuals, they are aware of their own value in comparison to yours.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It's literally a marriage of convenience. Weak, needy women often end up with weak, supplicating men. Like attracts like. We don't live in a hunter gatherer society anymore. I find the sort of comparisons and metaphors quite laughable.

Insecure, helpless women are easy to keep around, because their self esteems are propped up by attention and companionship of even the weakest beta males. They literally fill the voids in each others' existences, and live out the blue pill Disney fantasy.

However, just like a pandering beta provider is to a stronger woman, a docile, helpless woman who is always just there gets very boring, very quickly; and eventually quite draining, basically living vicariously through you. I've experienced this several times and I don't stick around for very long once I see this type of neediness in anyone anymore. Living in the Western society as I do today, I'm not going to be my a woman's personal assistant in any way, shape or form: supplication in the purest.

There is a fine balance to be struck, attempting to find feminine but stable women who don't need a personal assistant for activities of daily living. They are not uncommon, but they are more difficult to attract and keep around because, compared to weaker individuals, they are aware of their own value in comparison to yours.

So in your system you guys wouldn't help each other out with small things, like if you was out of town and some errands you do where not getting done and she did them it would be a problem?

 

[ThisNThat]

It's literally a marriage of convenience. Weak, needy women often end up with weak, supplicating men. Like attracts like. We don't live in a hunter gatherer society anymore. I find the sort of comparisons and metaphors quite laughable.

Insecure, helpless women are easy to keep around, because their self esteems are propped up by attention and companionship of even the weakest beta males. They literally fill the voids in each others' existences, and live out the blue pill Disney fantasy.

However, just like a pandering beta provider is to a stronger woman, a docile, helpless woman who is always just there gets very boring, very quickly; and eventually quite draining, basically living vicariously through you. I've experienced this several times and I don't stick around for very long once I see this type of neediness in anyone anymore. Living in the Western society as I do today, I'm not going to be my a woman's personal assistant in any way, shape or form: supplication in the purest.

There is a fine balance to be struck, attempting to find feminine but stable women who don't need a personal assistant for activities of daily living. They are not uncommon, but they are more difficult to attract and keep around because, compared to weaker individuals, they are aware of their own value in comparison to yours.

You see, I don't get this "boring" thing.

I COULD start another thread on this...I always see this advice giving out where the ONUS is on the man on the "how to's" to make himself interesting...when really, it's a woman who just gets bored easily.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

So in your system you guys wouldn't help each other out with small things, like if you was out of town and some errands you do where not getting done and she did them it would be a problem?

You see, I don't get this "boring" thing.

I COULD start another thread on this...I always see this advice giving out where the ONUS is on the man on the "how to's" to make himself interesting...when really, it's a woman who just gets bored easily.

What I'm saying is, like so many other instances in this forum, you're trying to fit every single person on Earth in to your black and white world view, which is never going to happen. Sure, if you're attracted to weak and helpless women, fill your boots. What I'm saying is, rather you than me.

Of course on a practical, logistical level, partner's, even lovers, help each other out. But th OP talks about 'helpless' women....

i.e. a woman is helpless > needs a weak man who is going to support and provide her every need (financial, psychological, social, emotional) > therefore needs a supplicating beta male with no self respect of his own.

How is this attractive in either men or women? Because there remain a large number of people who will supplicate, in the general population.