Bill proposed to take away all online privacy

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

The bill is called H.J. Res 86 and S.J. Res 34. Telecoms and ISPs can now sell your internet history and app data usage to third parties.

https://www.privateinternetaccess.c...ules-let-isps-telecoms-sell-internet-history/

The issue isn't the money. The issue is that now you can be incriminated at the will of the government if they so please to. They can fake traces of your information if they really wanted to, not to mention that everyone has at one point or another viewed something they wouldn't want to others to know they are viewing. Shoot, they could say a post you made on SS is a hate crime against women or something like that. Basically, if THEY don't like you, you're going to prison. The end is near boys. This country is turning into police state.

 

[lizardking82]

Who proposed the bill?

 

[logicallefty]

Best defense against this right now is accessing the onion network with the Tor browser and others like Tor. Tor browser is not to be confused with bit torrent. They are not the same thing. Using the onion network is not 100% untraceable but overall it does a pretty darn good job making you anonymous. Better than it used to be even just 5-10 years ago.If someone wants to trace you through it cyber investigators like myself have to put some time and energy into finding you or get lucky and exploit one of its loopholes. Not typically worth the time unless you're suspected of running a child trafficing ring or something.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Best defense against this right now is accessing the onion network with the Tor browser and others like Tor. Tor browser is not to be confused with bit torrent. They are not the same thing. Using the onion network is not 100% untraceable but overall it does a pretty darn good job making you anonymous. Better than it used to be even just 5-10 years ago.If someone wants to trace you through it cyber investigators like myself have to put some time and energy into finding you or get lucky and exploit one of its loopholes. Not typically worth the time unless you're suspected of running a child trafficing ring or something.

Yeah I know about TOR. I stay away from it though. I remember once in high school I got in trouble for going on a certain website (and just for the record, no, it was not porn). It was weird because the computer just started lagging really weirdly all of a sudden. It wasn't regular lag though, it was a stable lag, like the fps went down a crap ton and just stayed there. Well it turns out that 'lag' meant the dean was watching my computer. He printed out a lot of screenshots of everything. I got suspended for it. Needless to say, I remembered that incident and it never happened again lol. Fast forward a few years later where I find out about TOR from a friend of mine, and I download it because I was curious. Well, I go on some websites on there (and no, it wasn't cheese pizza), and my computer starts lagging in the same exact way as it did when the dean was watching my monitor. It was really strange. Because my computer never lags. I built it myself custom-made with the best parts for its time. 6-core 4.1 GHz processor with 8 GB DDR3 should NOT lag, like that even if overclocked. I knew something was up and I realized that I was being watched. Unplugged my computer and didn't touch it for a few days. Scary stuff out there man.

 

[logicallefty]

In high school you and/or your parents probably signed an "acceptable use" agreement agreeing to let the school watch you any time they please and use it against you in any civil and/or criminal matter. I had to sign one at my daughter's school for her. These are signed in workplace environments too, probably upon your first meeting with HR or a manger right after you get hired. "You want to use our Internet connection and computers then we can watch you all we want" is what an acceptable use agreement is about.

Tor lags by nature because 1) your Internet traffic is bouncing all over the world much more than it otherwise does in order to make it anonymous. 2) your traffic is being encrypted multiple times as it goes along.

I agree that there is a not of nasty stuff out there on Tor/the Onion Network/dark web. You are wise not to go hunting for porn on the dark web. Trust me it's nothing you will want to see and you will never forget it if you do. The good, legit porn is on the regular web!

 

[AlexKaiser]

While I generally don't have anything malicious to hide, I'm not exactly sure who gets to have access to my browsing history if this bill gets through. A third party can be anyone willing to pay, for example, church organizations, future employers? Ad companies getting my browser history don't bother me as much (LOL ADBLOCK) but if I can be barred from getting promotions because somebody on the management team doesn't agree with finding xvideos or pornhub on my browser history, I wouldn't really like it.

That, and do rich ex-girlfriends with tons of free time count as Third Parties?

 

[ZGold]

Putting "bill" in the $83 billion industry. and yeah, i do agree with what ImTheDoubleGreatest! said, anything you once said can be used against you. Guess all we have now is either to wish this bill never made it to the House or our right to remain silent. And yes, vpn, tor and proxy usage is gonna shoot up. started using Ivacy vpn last month and it was all fun and giggles watching supporters and naysayers arguing in facebook groups and forums but this thing hit both of us harder than, well, crap on a fan. oh, and do you know about that crowdsource project whre they're now trying to raise a mil so they can purchase the browse the histories of some of the active members like Paul Ryan, Marsha Blackburn, Ajit Pai and Mitch McConnel? Karma maybe?

 

[logicallefty]

Putting "bill" in the $83 billion industry. and yeah, i do agree with what ImTheDoubleGreatest! said, anything you once said can be used against you. Guess all we have now is either to wish this bill never made it to the House or our right to remain silent. And yes, vpn, tor and proxy usage is gonna shoot up. started using Ivacy vpn last month and it was all fun and giggles watching supporters and naysayers arguing in facebook groups and forums but this thing hit both of us harder than, well, crap on a fan. oh, and do you know about that crowdsource project whre they're now trying to raise a mil so they can purchase the browse the histories of some of the active members like Paul Ryan, Marsha Blackburn, Ajit Pai and Mitch McConnel? Karma maybe?

First of all, @ZGold, welcome to SS.

I've never used an anonymous VPN solution. Or had any cases involving one in my travels in cybercrimes/law enforcement. IF I was going to use one to try and hide myself on the Internet, though, the first thing I would want to know is "What country is the VPN provider in?". Then I would want to know "Does said country extradite to the United States?" If the VPN server is in North Korea then its probably safe! But if its in, say England or Japan, a country that extradites to the US, that could be bad. Why? Because that would also mean that they may be forced into complying with a search warrant from the US to give my id up with enough political pressure and pressure from law enforcment.. Follow me? In short, I have always wondered what binds these VPN services to really keep your ID private. Do you know anything about how they work from this perspective?

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

First of all, @ZGold, welcome to SS.

I've never used an anonymous VPN solution. Or had any cases involving one in my travels in cybercrimes/law enforcement. IF I was going to use one to try and hide myself on the Internet, though, the first thing I would want to know is "What country is the VPN provider in?". Then I would want to know "Does said country extradite to the United States?" If the VPN server is in North Korea then its probably safe! But if its in, say England or Japan, a country that extradites to the US, that could be bad. Why? Because that would also mean that they may be forced into complying with a search warrant from the US to give my id up with enough political pressure and pressure from law enforcment.. Follow me? In short, I have always wondered what binds these VPN services to really keep your ID private. Do you know anything about how they work from this perspective?

Aren't there program that change your IP every 15 or so seconds? How would you get find someone with something like that?

 

[logicallefty]

I don't know how the VPNs work. Tor/Onion Network changes your IP. I believe its every time you go to a new page but I may be wrong. I know its at least every few minutes. To track people on Tor you might get lucky if they have one of the browser features turned on that bypasses the anonymous path through the Tor network. Or, if you could try to get them to click on a link in maybe Email that would reveal their real IP address to you and bypass the anonymous filtering they are using. Everyone is traceable. Its just a matter of how bad we (law enforcement) want you. If you are going online anonymous so you can buy some weed for your own consumption you aren't going to be worth the trouble to track. But...if you are selling children as sex slaves or have a billion dollar cocaine operation going on, we might spend years but eventually there is a good chance that eventually you will slip up and get lax and comfortable. And thats when you will be caught.

 

[Urbanyst]

Not sure how long it will take for the stupid masses to understand both political parties are identical.

They all do the same crap. But people just turn a blind eye when its the people on their own "team".

 

[Spaz]

There's some good VPN providers that offers free usage for a few minutes, long periods you'll need to pay.

Useful when visiting countries like China that blocks fb, twitter, whatsapp etc

 

[Who Dares Win]

Unless you pay a vpn service with crypto currencies and without registration in a country which is not a US vassal, you wont necessarily be safe.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

There's some good VPN providers that offers free usage for a few minutes, long periods you'll need to pay.

Useful when visiting countries like China that blocks fb, twitter, whatsapp etc

Unless you pay a vpn service with crypto currencies and without registration in a country which is not a US vassal, you wont necessarily be safe.

Y’all retarded. That’s a spammer right there.

You're right Zgold! VPN and proxy usage is gonna shoot up. Mostly free VPNs doesn't secure your connection as I have experienced using free vpn service once and got all my data hacked. So, I prefer to use best and paid secure VPN service to avoid such loss as safety is better than sorry.

You. Kill yourself, faggot.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Y’all retarded. That’s a spammer right there.

You. Kill yourself, faggot.

He may be a spammer still if you wanna be safe you dont need a random vpn provider, its better to pay for a reliable one and do it with cryptos so you cant be tracked back.

Many sites dont allow connection coming from tor which happens also when you use tails, feel free to try it with any finance board.

I invite you to improve your knowledge if you care about your privacy.

 

[zekko]

The issue isn't the money. The issue is that now you can be incriminated at the will of the government if they so please to. They can fake traces of your information if they really wanted to, not to mention that everyone has at one point or another viewed something they wouldn't want to others to know they are viewing.

I've always wondered if someone could get in trouble for an unwanted popup that came up on your computer. Even if you closed it right away without looking at it, your computer has technically "viewed" the page.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I've always wondered if someone could get in trouble for an unwanted popup that came up on your computer. Even if you closed it right away without looking at it, your computer has technically "viewed" the page.

If the government wanted to catch you, they will. That could very well be a reason for it. They caught Al Capone through ‘tax evasion’ (basically different handwriting in his tax books or something lol) and through that, they got the rest.

 

[endurmancer]

Best defense against this right now is accessing the onion network with the Tor browser and others like Tor. Tor browser is not to be confused with bit torrent. They are not the same thing. Using the onion network is not 100% untraceable but overall it does a pretty darn good job making you anonymous. Better than it used to be even just 5-10 years ago.If someone wants to trace you through it cyber investigators like myself have to put some time and energy into finding you or get lucky and exploit one of its loopholes. Not typically worth the time unless you're suspected of running a child trafficing ring or something.

It's also highly associated with criminality and slow.

 

[Ryan]

Best defense against this right now is accessing the onion network with the Tor browser and others like Tor. Tor browser is not to be confused with bit torrent. They are not the same thing. Using the onion network is not 100% untraceable but overall it does a pretty darn good job making you anonymous. Better than it used to be even just 5-10 years ago.If someone wants to trace you through it cyber investigators like myself have to put some time and energy into finding you or get lucky and exploit one of its loopholes. Not typically worth the time unless you're suspected of running a child trafficing ring or something.

Your a cyber investigator?

 

[wifehunter]

Best defense against this right now is accessing the onion network with the Tor browser and others like Tor. Tor browser is not to be confused with bit torrent. They are not the same thing. Using the onion network is not 100% untraceable but overall it does a pretty darn good job making you anonymous. Better than it used to be even just 5-10 years ago.If someone wants to trace you through it cyber investigators like myself have to put some time and energy into finding you or get lucky and exploit one of its loopholes. Not typically worth the time unless you're suspected of running a child trafficing ring or something.

With WIFI getting so good...a decentralised mesh internet is getting closer and closer everyday. I'm excited!

The internet needs to be out if the hands of nation states and corporations, and left to the individual.