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At what point are you spending too much on a chick?

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They say money can't buy you love.

At what point are you spending too much on a chick where you go from just paying for a fun date or dates to spending your money specifically in an attempt to get a chick you pedestalize to "like" you and being a pandering provider?
 

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Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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You are spending too much money once you find yourself spending out of insecurity instead of desire.

All money you spend on women should feel natural like with your friends and family. If you are spending money in an attempt to force a relationship to work, it means you are desperate.
 

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When you start thinking you are spending too much time with her... you are spending too much time with her.
 

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Spending should be 50/50. Guys pay a bit more up front.

What kinds of spending are you talking about?
 

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

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You are spending too much money once you find yourself spending out of insecurity instead of desire.

All money you spend on women should feel natural like with your friends and family. If you are spending money in an attempt to force a relationship to work, it means you are desperate.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
 

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When you are spending anything on her?

Well, that is a bit extreme......but let me put it this way....if you make 40G per year and she makes 40G per year.........why are you spending ANY money paying her way? HMMM?
Not only is this extreme, it is classless. You won't get anywhere with quality women by being a cheap ****. If you ask a woman out, you better get the damn bill. IF she asks you out, then you let her pay.

Don't let a woman pay for any of the first 3 dates. They offer in the beginning so they don't feel indebted to you. (Hint: If I pay, I don't "owe" him sex).

If she wants to pay, tell her to plan and take you out on a date.
 

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Not only is this extreme, it is classless. You won't get anywhere with quality women by being a cheap ****. If you ask a woman out, you better get the damn bill. IF she asks you out, then you let her pay.

Don't let a woman pay for any of the first 3 dates. They offer in the beginning so they don't feel indebted to you. (Hint: If I pay, I don't "owe" him sex).

If she wants to pay, tell her to plan and take you out on a date.
So a quality woman only has sex for money?
 

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Not only is this extreme, it is classless. You won't get anywhere with quality women by being a cheap ****. If you ask a woman out, you better get the damn bill. IF she asks you out, then you let her pay.

Don't let a woman pay for any of the first 3 dates. They offer in the beginning so they don't feel indebted to you. (Hint: If I pay, I don't "owe" him sex).

If she wants to pay, tell her to plan and take you out on a date.
Tell me then, why are there guys out there who are fvcking beautiful women without even having to go out on dates? Without having to spend money on anything? Why are there men who have the woman pay for them (Soflobro is an example)? This is flawed logic.
 

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You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Quite funny isn't it? EyeBrollin obviously doesn't value himself very much. Having low self-esteem and begging to pay for women hardly raises you up in their eyes and make them think you are a high value man.

But if that is the best you can do........we understand. Well, not really....but we will say we do,.
Lol. Aww, you can't afford to take a woman on a date? Learn some social skills, then you can contribute more effectively to the forum.

So a quality woman only has sex for money?
You're reading comprehension is actually that bad?
 

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Tell me then, why are there guys out there who are fvcking beautiful women without even having to go out on dates? Without having to spend money on anything? Why are there men who have the woman pay for them (Soflobro is an example)? This is flawed logic.
You can be an ass and have women pay for you up front. It's basic social skills that the person who extends the invite to any function is the one that pays.

"This is flawed logic."

Ditch your logic. This is a forum about the most illogical creatures on the planet (women).
 

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You can be an ass and have women pay for you up front. It's basic social skills that the person who extends the invite to any function is the one that pays.

"This is flawed logic."

Ditch your logic. This is a forum about the most illogical creatures on the planet (women).
^^Gotta say this is correct. You invite. you pay. if a chick never even offers to show reciprocation you drop her because she's most likely entitled and or using you as a second income.

though chicks aren't illogical. they just have their own motives.
 

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You can be an ass and have women pay for you up front. It's basic social skills that the person who extends the invite to any function is the one that pays.

"This is flawed logic."

Ditch your logic. This is a forum about the most illogical creatures on the planet (women).
That's a good point. But it shouldn't apply to dates on a woman because you aren't sure if you will ever see her again. And a lot of tines that stuff could be pretty expensive.
 

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It is a widely upheld social convention that the man pays for the first date. It is courteous for a woman to offer to pay her fair share or offer to pay for the second date. I don't think this qualifies as paying a woman to spend time with you.

Would you class buying a buddy a beer as paying him to spend time with you?

You are paying too much when the expectation is that you pay.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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^^Gotta say this is correct. You invite. you pay. if a chick never even offers to show reciprocation you drop her because she's most likely entitled and or using you as a second income.
Correct, and this was my point that these fake DJs can't seem to comprehend.
 

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Dude I am quite sure I can afford to take a woman on a date as well as you.In fact, I am pretty sure I can afford to do it MORE than you. The difference is, I don't HAVE to.....which apparently, you do. If I ask a woman out, I will pay the first time, since I asked. If I am going to continue to date her, she will pay her own way - I don't pay women to spend time with me.. You do. There has got to be a reason why you have to pay for a woman's time, and I don't. They obviously are willing to pay their own way, to be my GF. They are obviously not willing to pay their own way to be yours.
Are you done with your tirade?

Once you pay for the first 3 dates, as you advocate, how do you NOT pay for all the following ones? You have set the pattern, and expectation. So if you date for two years, you pay the whole shot. Yeah..............go ahead. Not for me.
Usually by the 3rd date they are offering to pay, to which I tell them if they like to pay, they should take me out. They end up picking up the tab on the following outing.

If you WANT to always pay, if You feel YOU need to always pay? Go ahead! But don't tell others on here it is necessary . I have never even had to have this conversation with my GF. She has stepped up from day one.
I don't always pay, but you can't read well.

You mention social skills? If I have no problem getting a girlfriend, and they are HAPPY to pay their own way..........what am I doing so right? Why can't you do this? Why do you have to pay women to spend time with you?
Reading is fundamental. Read the following post slowly:


IF she asks you out, then you let her pay.

Don't let a woman pay for any of the first 3 dates. They offer in the beginning so they don't feel indebted to you. (Hint: If I pay, I don't "owe" him sex).

If she wants to pay, tell her to plan and take you out on a date.
Understand?

That's a good point. But it shouldn't apply to dates on a woman because you aren't sure if you will ever see her again. And a lot of tines that stuff could be pretty expensive.
You have to learn to lose before you can win. That's life. If you are afraid of wasting your $50 on a date, you won't make it very far at finding the right woman. It's strictly a numbers game.
 

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You have to learn to lose before you can win. That's life. If you are afraid of wasting your $50 on a date, you won't make it very far at finding the right woman. It's strictly a numbers game.
I still find this rediculous. Experience may be the best teacher, but it is not the only teacher, you can learn from others as well. I don't believe that you should spend a whole lot of money on women just to get to know her. Perhaps other ways. The world is messed up right now so my ideology is a bit of a fantasy a suppose.
 

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I still find this rediculous. Experience may be the best teacher, but it is not the only teacher, you can learn from others as well. I don't believe that you should spend a whole lot of money on women just to get to know her. Perhaps other ways. The world is messed up right now so my ideology is a bit of a fantasy a suppose.
You're ideology is screwy if you're so cheap to go dutch on drinks. You shouldn't go dutch man; it's a date. If you want her to pay, wait for her to take you out.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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