Question On 2015 Camaro Exhaust Options

[Tenacity]

Guys, so I wanted to to touch base. As many of you know, I purchased the 2015 Camaro V6 back in March and added the 24 inch chrome wheels.


(( Reasons For Getting V6 And Not V8 ))

The reason I didn't get the V8 was because for the same year range, it would cost $13,000 - $15,000 more, along with higher gas costs and higher insurance costs.

Because I'm getting the car for a daily driver and for looks, and because I'm not doing any racing aspect, I didn't believe that I needed most of the what came with the V8 package to justify spending $13,000 - $15,000 more. I also wasn't about to buy a 2010 Camaro just to say I had a "V8" in it.


(( Better Exhaust Sound ))

But the only aspect of the V8 that had quality to it from MY perspective, was the better, muscular, exhaust sound. So what I want to do is add a performance exhaust system to get this sound and I have come down to a couple of options including the MRTv2, Magnaflow, Borla and Flowmasters.

- I'm in Michigan and 20 minutes away from MRT, so they can install it next week for $725 in total for the system and install.

- Magnaflow and Borla appear to range around $1,700 for the system and install.

Here's some samples of how the exhaust sounds on the 2010 - 2015 Camaros:

[youtube]ibCk4E6QekY[/youtube]
MRTv2

[youtube]UpcG80JnIcg[/youtube]
Borla

[youtube]RFFGwgFWloI[/youtube]
Magna Flow


(( Questions ))

- What do you guys think? Should I go with the MRTv2? Or should I go with Magnaflow, Borla, Flowmasters, or another option?

- Also should I just put the exhaust system on or should I look at a package such as this one: Camaro V2 Performance Package which includes Cold Air Induction and Catalytic Converters?

- Would having the 24 inch wheels on and adding the exhaust system cause any potential damages?

 

[Billtx49]

Regarding the Cold Air Intake… Denser air in = More air out. I have a dual intake on a four cylinder Sky with good sound out using a less restricted muffler.
Get less than stock gas mpg though, think the engine management system supplies more gas to adjust for more intake…

 

[Billtx49]

Regarding the Cold Air Intake… Denser air in = More air out. I have a dual intake on a four cylinder Sky with good sound out using a less restricted muffler.
Get less than stock gas mpg though, think the engine management system supplies more gas to adjust for more intake…

Bottom line, if it's just sound you are after, change only the exhaust. If you want more power also (less mpg) change intake and exhaust.

 

[Tenacity]

Bottom line, if it's just sound you are after, change only the exhaust. If you want more power also (less mpg) change intake and exhaust.

Got it, that's all I'm looking for is just the "roaring sound". The appointment with MRT is on Tuesday for me to get it installed, I'm getting this one here which is the MRT v2: http://www.shopmrt.com/2010-2015-Camaro-V6-Axle-back-Exhaust-by-MRT-p/91a177.htm

Total for installation and the system is $722.08, that sound pretty good?

This guy here has a 2015 V6 with just the MRTv2 exhaust on it as well, nothing else, check him out:

 

[Billtx49]

Sounds good, fairly quiet at idle, then good sound when U step on the go pedal.
Looks like quality system and U can never go wrong with that.

 

[backseatjuan]

722 dollars for a pair (or one) mufflers or you doing cat back or the whole thing with headers? If the whole thing with headers then it is justified. If cat back, it is a bit expensive. If just mufflers that's a lot of money for nothing.

 

[Skyline]

(( Reasons For Getting V6 And Not V8 ))

The reason I didn't get the V8 was because...

The biggest reason why I strongly recommended a 2010-2012 SS(V8) Camaro was because of the LS3 engine is, it's literally the best engine America has made since the Big Block V8 HEMI era in the 60's. No Challenger Hellcat/SRT or Mustang GT/Cobra motor can ever handle what the Camaro SS'(same with the Cadillac CTS-V's and C6/C7 Corvette's) stock internals can handle. That motor is literally the value of the car. In 10 years, it will hold it's value at $25k~. In 10 years your V6 will drop below $10k.

Video of a stock internal Camaro SS taking down a Ferrari 458:

That SS Camaro had 726 wheel horsepower, which means it has close to 900 horsepower at the crank if not a bit more. The mods he had were a Pro-charger and aftermarket Camshafts, which is less than $4k in parts.

(( Better Exhaust Sound ))

But the only aspect of the V8 that had quality to it from MY perspective, was the better, muscular, exhaust sound. So what I want to do is add a performance exhaust system to get this sound and I have come down to a couple of options including the MRTv2, Magnaflow, Borla and Flowmasters.

- I'm in Michigan and 20 minutes away from MRT, so they can install it next week for $725 in total for the system and install.

- Magnaflow and Borla appear to range around $1,700 for the system and install.

Here's some samples of how the exhaust sounds on the 2010 - 2015 Camaros:

[youtube]ibCk4E6QekY[/youtube]
MRTv2

[youtube]UpcG80JnIcg[/youtube]
Borla

[youtube]RFFGwgFWloI[/youtube]
Magna Flow

A V6 will pretty much never sound like a V8. The Borla exhaust video you provided is a video of an SS camaro, which is a V8, and if you listen closely you can hear a deeper growl followed with a 'wub wub wub' noise. That noise is the cams compressing air due to the two extra cylinders followed by the cams operating with an extra two or three liters of displacement. There is no replacement for displacement.

That Borla muffler will not fit on your V6 Camaro by the way.

The products shown in the video are just Mufflers(axle-back) which means installing them is literally unbolting 9-12 bolts with a 10mm, or 3/8, socket. I have an Infiniti G35 Coupe with High Flow Catalytic Converters and a Cold air Intake. I have done a muffler delete and it literally took me less than thirty minutes to look under my car and figure it out.

They're charging you $100 for just a muffler job and the quotes you got on the Magnaflow and Borla systems and installation is for the FULL exhaust, not just the muffler. However, that is pretty cheap for a full exhaust installation and the exhaust itself.

And as I recall, all Camaro's have a dual mini muffler setup which means uninstalling it will be really easy because you have more room- which explains why shops do it for $100~.

(( Questions ))

- What do you guys think? Should I go with the MRTv2? Or should I go with Magnaflow, Borla, Flowmasters, or another option?

- Also should I just put the exhaust system on or should I look at a package such as this one: Camaro V2 Performance Package which includes Cold Air Induction and Catalytic Converters?

- Would having the 24 inch wheels on and adding the exhaust system cause any potential damages?

As far as sound goes, I would go with the MRTv2.

The Borla won't fit your car, in fact I think Borla only makes exhausts for the V8 variants anyways. However, Magnaflow does make it sound a lot like how stock G35 coupe/G37' coupe/350z's/370's exhaust sounds. The MRTv2 gives it a more Japanese style exhaust tone, it reminds me of a 4cyl note mixed with a V6.

When I installed my Cold air intake I noticed a deeper growl when under wide open throttle. It will randomly kick in and kind of surprise you and I also did notice a small low end torque power gain. Other than that, there is no noticeable exhaust note change when not under open throttle.

Those catalytic converters look like crap, I would not buy those. I have High Flow Catalytic Converters and it raised my exhaust tones noise level by about a step in all circumstances with a noticeable jolt of power increase after 4k RPM'S.

Your tires will not effect your exhaust in anyway.

I would just do a muffler delete, or at least a disconnection, and see how you like it. I personally believe only buying a muffler is sort of a waste money because you really won't hear any difference in sound until you go open throttle.

Pipes like these, in place of your muffler: http://jdautoandtruck.com/mbrp-3-ax...lete-pipes-fits-10-15-camaro-v6-s7021304.html

Sound clip:

Will make your car sound very loud and raw. I am currently going this route, until I get my full cat-back exhaust, and I tried going back to Stock Exhaust, but I could not handle how quiet it was. If you want to go this route, then go to any muffler shop and have them custom make you stainless steel(304) pipes with a 2.5 inch exhaust tip exit in place of your muffler. It should cost you around $100.

Something to note, I plan on spending around $1900 for my full cat-back exhaust.

 

[Young OG]

I would get a MagnaFlow. I have one with a resonator delete on my BMW (inline 6) and it sounds really good. Sometimes it's almost to loud. I also have a cold air intake and I would recommend that too. Both have added some hp and good sound.

 

[Bible_Belt]

If he adds an upgraded intake with the new exhaust, does he need to re-program the car's computer to adjust the air/fuel mixture?

 

[Skyline]

If he adds an upgraded intake with the new exhaust, does he need to re-program the car's computer to adjust the air/fuel mixture?

No.

Cold air intakes just allow better airflow over the, generally, restrictive stock intake set up. It's still the same amount of air but it's just getting there quicker if that makes sense.

 

[Tenacity]

The biggest reason why I strongly recommended a 2010-2012 SS(V8) Camaro was because of the LS3 engine is, it's literally the best engine America has made since the Big Block V8 HEMI era in the 60's.

That motor is literally the value of the car. In 10 years, it will hold it's value.....

Skyline let me ask you a question on this. I do understand that the V8 engine is a better quality performer than the V6 engine, but I'm confused on this concept of "value holding" that you reference.

The 2010 Camaro SS came out with a price tag of about $31,000 in 2009/2010.
The 2010 Camaro V6 came out with a price tag of about $23,000 in 2009/2010.

I ran a Kelly Blue Book on both today, with 40,000 miles on them and in Excellent Condition:

- The Camaro SS comes out to a trade in value of $20,505

- The Camaro V6 comes out to a trade in value of $14,766

This means that give or take, both lost about $10,000 between 2010 - today in terms of dropping from their original purchase price.

So when you say that the SS "keeps its value", what are you referring to? From what I understand, every car is a depreciating asset and the value of it continues to drop from the moment you drive it off the lot.

They're charging you $100 for just a muffler job and the quotes you got on the Magnaflow and Borla systems and installation is for the FULL exhaust, not just the muffler. However, that is pretty cheap for a full exhaust installation and the exhaust itself.

As far as sound goes, I would go with the MRTv2.

I was reading this to learn more about the differences: http://www.redline360.com/garage/ex...k-vs-axleback-vs-turboback-exhaust-vs-muffler

I would just do a muffler delete, or at least a disconnection, and see how you like it.

Something to note, I plan on spending around $1900 for my full cat-back exhaust.

You mentioned that you thought the MRTv2 sounded better than the Magnaflow, but I believe Magnaflow is the full catback exhaust system and the MRTv2 is just the axleback exhaust or the "muffler section exhaust".

I fully understand that the V6 will not sound like the V8, that's not my goal here. You see I bought the Camaro for the "style and looks", 95% of women and at least 85% of people on the road CANNOT tell a Camaro V6 from a Camaro V8 going by looks alone. They just see a young black guy driving a Red Camaro with 24 inch chrome wheels on it. I get A LOT of stares and random compliments man. That's literally the MAIN reason I bought the car. I don't care about racing, drag racing, "feeling in the seat", torque, or anything like that lol.

But here's the thing, I want to work on the sound of the V6 just to sound more "muscular" and "mean" just to fall in line with a muscular car tradition.

Does that make sense?

I'm thinking the MRTv2 will do that, but I'm not sure? What do you recommend me doing to get to this result? I don't think just cutting off the muffler is going to do it, I'm going to have to do something along the lines of installing some type of Exhaust upgrade or system or something similar to that.

I want to start up the car and hit the gas, and it makes a strong muscular/mean sound that a chick would LIKE, even though it's not a V8, the chick still would LIKE the muscular/mean sound the car makes. When I'm going down the street, I want to hear that strong muscular/mean sound as well that again, a chick would LIKE, even though it's not a V8. Does that make sense?

 

[Tenacity]

I would get a MagnaFlow. I have one with a resonator delete on my BMW (inline 6) and it sounds really good. Sometimes it's almost to loud. I also have a cold air intake and I would recommend that too. Both have added some hp and good sound.

Can you give me a link where you bought your entire system? Also do you have any video examples of how it sounds?

722 dollars for a pair (or one) mufflers or you doing cat back or the whole thing with headers? If the whole thing with headers then it is justified. If cat back, it is a bit expensive. If just mufflers that's a lot of money for nothing.

Which one do you think I should go with then? Check out this thread from Camaro 5, this guy has just about every exhaust upgrade/system on here:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33104

 

[Bible_Belt]

No.

Cold air intakes just allow better airflow over the, generally, restrictive stock intake set up. It's still the same amount of air but it's just getting there quicker if that makes sense.

What about upgrading his cam shaft? Is that going to void his warranty? I used to have an LT1 and a hot cam - sounds like angry popcorn.

 

[Skyline]

Skyline let me ask you a question on this. I do understand that the V8 engine is a better quality performer than the V6 engine, but I'm confused on this concept of "value holding" that you reference.

The 2010 Camaro SS came out with a price tag of about $31,000 in 2009/2010.
The 2010 Camaro V6 came out with a price tag of about $23,000 in 2009/2010.

I ran a Kelly Blue Book on both today, with 40,000 miles on them and in Excellent Condition:

- The Camaro SS comes out to a trade in value of $20,505

- The Camaro V6 comes out to a trade in value of $14,766

This means that give or take, both lost about $10,000 between 2010 - today in terms of dropping from their original purchase price.

So when you say that the SS "keeps its value", what are you referring to? From what I understand, every car is a depreciating asset and the value of it continues to drop from the moment you drive it off the lot.





I was reading this to learn more about the differences: http://www.redline360.com/garage/ex...k-vs-axleback-vs-turboback-exhaust-vs-muffler




You mentioned that you thought the MRTv2 sounded better than the Magnaflow, but I believe Magnaflow is the full catback exhaust system and the MRTv2 is just the axleback exhaust or the "muffler section exhaust".

I fully understand that the V6 will not sound like the V8, that's not my goal here. You see I bought the Camaro for the "style and looks", 95% of women and at least 85% of people on the road CANNOT tell a Camaro V6 from a Camaro V8 going by looks alone. They just see a young black guy driving a Red Camaro with 24 inch chrome wheels on it. I get A LOT of stares and random compliments man. That's literally the MAIN reason I bought the car. I don't care about racing, drag racing, "feeling in the seat", torque, or anything like that lol.

But here's the thing, I want to work on the sound of the V6 just to sound more "muscular" and "mean" just to fall in line with a muscular car tradition.

Does that make sense?

I'm thinking the MRTv2 will do that, but I'm not sure? What do you recommend me doing to get to this result? I don't think just cutting off the muffler is going to do it, I'm going to have to do something along the lines of installing some type of Exhaust upgrade or system or something similar to that.

I want to start up the car and hit the gas, and it makes a strong muscular/mean sound that a chick would LIKE, even though it's not a V8, the chick still would LIKE the muscular/mean sound the car makes. When I'm going down the street, I want to hear that strong muscular/mean sound as well that again, a chick would LIKE, even though it's not a V8. Does that make sense?

KBB is paper value and not street value. Street value is the value that you see at dealerships and on Craigslist. The KBB values are a good estimate on cars if you don't know what they're worth.

If you want a mean muscular sound, a muffler delete will come very close. Pretty much every V6 has a natural high tone to it so you are going to need to invest in High Flow Catalytic Converters followed by a FULL cat-back exhaust.

A muffler delete will give you a roar similar to a V8 on idle and normal driving and it will scream on open throttle. I remember pulling up next to a 2012 SRT Charger and my exhaust was blatantly more louder than his, not in a fart cannon Honda tone either. It's deeper and has a rumble.

Since the V6 Camaro isn't a highly sought after car to mod, it's list of aftermarket parts are limited.

I can vouch for Borla and Magnaflow being top quality exhausts and I know Borla exhausts in general are known for a deeper tone however I don't think they make full cat back exhausts for V6 Camaro's. Magnaflow might be your option. MRT seems to only make mufflers as well.

As far as the high flow cats go, you're going to have to do some research on that.

I would do more research and find videos of different exhausts on YouTube as well.

 

[Skyline]

What about upgrading his cam shaft? Is that going to void his warranty? I used to have an LT1 and a hot cam - sounds like angry popcorn.

Love how cammed V8's sound, every time I see a C6 Corvette I always expect it to be cammed. It really adds to the cars character.

As far as aftermarket cams voiding a warranty depends on what that warranty covers. If it covers power train then it will not void the warranty.

But if it breaks, you will not be covered under warranty and if another part of car is broken because of said part then that is also not covered.

So let's say you install cams incorrectly and it causes one of the cylinders to misfire. The dealer will not fix it but you still have your warranty on other parts like the transmission.

 

[Tenacity]

KBB is paper value and not street value. Street value is the value that you see at dealerships and on Craigslist. The KBB values are a good estimate on cars if you don't know what they're worth.

If you want a mean muscular sound, a muffler delete will come very close. Pretty much every V6 has a natural high tone to it so you are going to need to invest in High Flow Catalytic Converters followed by a FULL cat-back exhaust.

A muffler delete will give you a roar similar to a V8 on idle and normal driving and it will scream on open throttle. I remember pulling up next to a 2012 SRT Charger and my exhaust was blatantly more louder than his, not in a fart cannon Honda tone either. It's deeper and has a rumble.

Since the V6 Camaro isn't a highly sought after car to mod, it's list of aftermarket parts are limited.

I can vouch for Borla and Magnaflow being top quality exhausts and I know Borla exhausts in general are known for a deeper tone however I don't think they make full cat back exhausts for V6 Camaro's. Magnaflow might be your option. MRT seems to only make mufflers as well.

As far as the high flow cats go, you're going to have to do some research on that.

I would do more research and find videos of different exhausts on YouTube as well.

Thanks, I'm going to look at this more closer this week. I'm going to hold off on doing the MRT appointment on Tuesday until I complete more research on this and get everything organized.

Also I'm wondering if doing any of this is legal in Michigan?

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(kw...g.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-257-707c

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1586_27094-73839--,00.html#equipment

The laws on this is funny, for example the second link has the following:

Question: I would just like to know if there is any sound level or DB law here in Michigan for automotive exhausts, specifically aftermarket?

Answer: MCL 257.707c provides the decibel levels at which the noise is considered excessive, while MCL 257.707e addresses the procedure for conducting a test. It is important to note that while these objective levels are provided, a vehicle below these levels may still be in violation. MCL 257.707b requires an exhaust system to be maintained in good working order to prevent excessive or unusual noise, which can be subjective. MCL 257.707 requires that an exhaust system be equipped with a muffler, and a resonator and tailpipe, if originally equipped. This precludes the modification of an exhaust system beyond the replacement of worn-out parts.

 

[Skyline]

Thanks, I'm going to look at this more closer this week. I'm going to hold off on doing the MRT appointment on Tuesday until I complete more research on this and get everything organized.

Also I'm wondering if doing any of this is legal in Michigan?

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(kw...g.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-257-707c

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1586_27094-73839--,00.html#equipment

The laws on this is funny, for example the second link has the following:

Question: I would just like to know if there is any sound level or DB law here in Michigan for automotive exhausts, specifically aftermarket?

Answer: MCL 257.707c provides the decibel levels at which the noise is considered excessive, while MCL 257.707e addresses the procedure for conducting a test. It is important to note that while these objective levels are provided, a vehicle below these levels may still be in violation. MCL 257.707b requires an exhaust system to be maintained in good working order to prevent excessive or unusual noise, which can be subjective. MCL 257.707 requires that an exhaust system be equipped with a muffler, and a resonator and tailpipe, if originally equipped. This precludes the modification of an exhaust system beyond the replacement of worn-out parts.

Yeah, I spent almost a year researching different types of exhausts for my car before I decided on the $1,900 one I want now. Take your time when looking for parts in general and try to get as much as information as you can before you buy anything.

Most Cat back exhausts are within legal noise level but some aren't, the ones that aren't are usually worth more than $3,000. You can run a muffler disconnect like me, and be completely fine as long as you don't rip it down the street with cops around. And if they do pull you/me over, my muffler is still technically connected.

As far as emissions goes, as long as you have the catalytic converters and resonators on your mid pipe then you are fine. You actually don't need a muffler to pass emissions.

 

[Tenacity]

The woman you like negged you about the V6 vs V8. I could be wrong but it seems suddenly since then you are now looking to modify the sound so your car sounds more like a V8. Be aware that if you make modifications to your car now, to sound like a V8 rather than the V6 it is, you will appear weaker rather than like a man who is actually centered, strong and confident in who he is. It will look like you are chasing her or other women's approval, which inherently makes you look weaker and automatically diminishes attraction to you.

Well, here's the honest truth about the ENTIRE situation.

- If it were up to ME, I would be driving a 2003 - 2005 Ford Focus or something that requires little gas, and ride it until the wheels fell off. I'm somewhat of a Minimalist so to me, a car would only be used for basic transportation.

- However, ever since I entered the middle class in 2010, I believe that I should look middle class. That's when in 2011 I bought the Dodge Charger and here in 2016 I bought the Chevy Camaro. Again, it's all for LOOKS. When I'm coming down the street, riding through a parking lot, etc., I want people to turn around, LOOK, and say, "Wow, that's a nice car, I would like to have a car like that." I want women to turn around, LOOK, and say, "That car makes my pvssy wet".

So, in 100% honesty, the purchase of the Dodge Charger and the purchase of the Chevy Camaro WERE to I guess obtain validation from others in this regard. I know it's shallow, I know it might even make me look weak, but I'm being honest as I always do.

Be honest with yourself. I get you like this girl. If you essentially respond to her 'neg' by taking such massive action, it will only make you look insecure and undesirable, imho.

I don't know, it just depends. This girl thinks I'm c0cky/arrogant, of course that doesn't stop her from fvcking me though lol. LYD I think the honest truth is that in the dating world, both sides do things they wouldn't "normally want to do" to impress the opposite side.

- I don't think women WANT to sit in beauty parlors for hours on in every week, put on pounds of make-up, wear "body squeeze" to help suck their extra fat in when wearing dresses, and walk around in uncomfortable high heels. IF it were truly up to them, they might come out without their hair done, no makeup, with some jogging pants on and a T-shirt. But because they are looking to attract/please MEN, they do all of the "fixing up" stuff.

- Men want to impress women, so we hit the gym to get 6 packs, we get the degrees to make a lot of money, we get the Chargers/Camaros/Challengers/SUVs because these are car types that usually make a woman's pvssy wet upon sight, we wear certain types of cologne that women routinely say smells good on us, etc., etc. IF it were truly to us guys, we most likely wouldn't put a lot of time into any of this shyt and sit at home all day playing X-Box or something.

For perspective, consider that her 'neg' was meant to be playful with an edge.

Oh I know, but she's a part of perhaps the 3% - 5% of women in the ENTIRE country who can tell the difference between a V6 and a V8. Since I've been driving these types of Cars (since 2011) I have NEVER had a chick even know what a V8 or V6 is. They see me driving a Charger or a Camaro and say that it's nice/hot. This girl in particular is weird lol.

I didn't get the V8 because:

- I keep a strong budget and buy out of pocket. Budget was no more than $13k after my trade-in

- I wasn't buying a 5 - 6 year old car (2010 or 2011) just to have a "V8" in it and I wasn't increasing my budget from $13k to $26k - $29k which again is AFTER trade-in of my other vehicle, in order to get a 1 - 2 year old V8.

- I would NEVER use the shyt that comes with the V8 trim package.I just needed a daily driver that TURNED HEADS, and I don't race and I don't do illegal shyt like speeding on the highway like this idiot going 171 mph on the freeway.

So my thought process was, WTF am I buying the "next trim level package up" if I'm not going to use the shyt? Just to SAY I have a V8 so a very, very, very small group of people (car enthusiasts) can be "happy" even though I would very, very rarely if EVER run into these people in real life?

If she or anyone negs you once or even repeatedly about the new upgraded sound, once it is complete, will that bother you???

Hell yeah it would lol. Just being honest. Right now I get a lot of stares, random compliments, etc., when I'm in the Camaro. I LOVE THAT SHYT lol!

The ONLY thing I could "use" with the V8 is the roaring sound. That's what I'm trying to do now, mimic that sound. So when I add this "roaring sound", I want those same stares based on the look of the vehicle, but I also want the "roaring sound" to have chicks say: "That sounds sexy, I wouldn't mind riding with that N-word in that Camaro!"

 

[Tenacity]

Yeah, I spent almost a year researching different types of exhausts for my car before I decided on the $1,900 one I want now. Take your time when looking for parts in general and try to get as much as information as you can before you buy anything.

Most Cat back exhausts are within legal noise level but some aren't, the ones that aren't are usually worth more than $3,000. You can run a muffler disconnect like me, and be completely fine as long as you don't rip it down the street with cops around. And if they do pull you/me over, my muffler is still technically connected.

As far as emissions goes, as long as you have the catalytic converters and resonators on your mid pipe then you are fine. You actually don't need a muffler to pass emissions.

Yeah, I'm going to spend some time doing some research. I'm going to keep this thread updated with updates though.

 

[Tenacity]

I wanted to keep this thread going by asking you guys some questions. After doing even further research, I guess now I'm trying to figure out WHY is it that guys even buy a Camaro V8 in the first place? Is the "V8 Or Go Home" Mentality really based on something of value or is it just non-sense?

Let's break this down.


1.) They Claim The V8 Has Better Resale Value

The 2010 Camaro SS came out with a price tag of about $31,000 in 2009/2010.
The 2010 Camaro V6 came out with a price tag of about $23,000 in 2009/2010.

I ran a Kelly Blue Book on both today, with 40,000 miles on them and in Excellent Condition:

- The Camaro V8 comes out to a trade in value of $20,111

- The Camaro V6 comes out to a trade in value of $14,645

This means that give or take, both lost about $10,000 between 2010 - today in terms of dropping from their original purchase price. So when people are saying the V8 holds its value, what are they talking about?? It's doing like every other CAR does, which is rapidly depreciate because a car is a depreciating asset.


2.) They Claim The V8 Is Significantly Faster Than The V6s

When you look up the V6 Camaros at about 330 HP and the V8 Camaros at about 420 HP, do you know what this comes out to in terms of performance? The V6 goes from 0 - 60 in about 6 seconds with quarter-mile time of about 14.2 seconds, and the V8 goes from 0 - 60 in about 5 seconds with quarter-mile time of 13 seconds.

So wait a minute here.

You mean to tell me people are spending $13,000 - $15,000 more for "performance" that's only 1 second faster in the 0 - 60 category and only about 1 second faster in the quarter-mile??


3.) They Claim V6s Are Slow

I don't know about you, but how in the hell does going from 0 - 60 in 6 seconds equate to SLOW in any regard? 0 - 60 in 6 seconds is fast as all hell.


4.) They Claim The V8s Look Better

You can modify your Camaro with accessories to honestly make it look however you want. The bodies of all packages look relatively the same but you can always modify your exterior and interior.


5.) They Claim The Camaro Has Always Been A V8

There's been a V6 option for the Camaro since 1982 with the Third Generation Camaros. The Camaro has not always been a V8 option.


6.) They Say The V8 Has A Better Sound

This is the ONLY valid argument here in my opinion. But is it WORTH IT to pay $13,000 - $15,000 more for the V8 sound, or how about you just do what I'm going to do and add an MRTv2 exhaust to eliminate the V6 stock sound and replace it with a muscle tone?

I don't know, it seems to me that V8 Camaro guys are wasting $13,000 plus on a car that isn't significantly better than the V6 Camaro. But maybe I'm wrong. The ONLY thing I see that's significantly better with the V8 is the sound, but paying $13,000 MORE for that sound?? I don't think that makes any sense when again, you can MODIFY your car to add better exhaust packages to provide a much better sound than Stock.

What do you guys think about this?