Roman Reigns is Much Worse than John Cena

[BlueAlpha1]

WWE fans -

I have been a John Cena hater since 2005 when he transitioned from a heel rapper (which was OK at times) to a wannabe marine. I hated his cheap matches, his pandering to the military, and worst of all, sometimes exploiting children with cancer to get cheers. I hated the propaganda of the announcers talking about "mixed reactions" when it was about 94.6% booes, or ignoring them entirely. I hate that he won 15 world titles and they've started calling him the "Greatest of all time".

And yet, with this guy Roman Reigns being shoved down our throats for 2 years now, Cena's legacy has never looked better. When you see Cena on a late night talk show in his suit, he looks like a star who's seen it all and come out the other side. Roman Reigns is the equivalent to the Rock if you trim 30 pounds of muscle, put a vacuum up his ass and suck out all the charisma, and write cheesy lines all while requiring him to make stupid facial expressions. This guy is The Rock's cousin and they are literally the yin and yang of charisma. Cena was Al-Qaeda - Roman is ISIS.

Yet WWE won't stop. In fact, they deliberately kill the momentum of the guys facing them. Seth Rollins got a heroes welcome back last week, and they turned him instantly to feud with Reigns (they did the same with AJ Styles vs. Cena. Pathetic.) They had HHH insulting the fans' families during WrestleMania season, BEGGING the fans to boo him and cheer Roman. It's not going to work. It's never going to work.

It almost seems like punishment especially with Daniel Bryan's career ending at 34. This guy was more real and more organically over than anyone since the Attitude Era. Given another 5 years, he would have been at the level of a Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Taker. Even with only 3 years at the top, he was pretty damn close.

And all we have is wet-haired, bad acting Roman. The worst WWE champion of all time (with the exception of maybe The Miz

 

[Who Dares Win]

Cant really say much about it, stopped following WWE when they turned themselves into a kid friendly show in the mid 00s.

 

[Young OG]

I couldn't agree more. I'll take Cena over Reigns any day. I think he will drop the title to Rollins at Money in the Bank.

I'm also very disappointed with how they have used AJ. They made him job to Reigns twice. He shouldn't have never been in a world title match unless he's going to win. Now he's going to have to job to Cena because I highly doubt Cena will lay down for him...

 

[zekko]

I don't like the way they push Reigns "the fans be damned".
But Cena is beyond stale. When he came back last week I couldn't believe how boring it was, he hadn't changed a bit.
I agree about AJ, I think they're "punishing" him for being in TNA, even while they use him to make interesting main events. The WWE likes homegrown stars.

 

[Tenacity]

And all we have is wet-haired, bad acting Roman. The worst WWE champion of all time (with the exception of maybe The Miz

I still watch from time to time, the problem is the creative team in my opinion...not the wrestlers. I would go on board to say between the main roster and NXT, this is the most TALENTED group of wrestlers/entertainers that they have EVER had.

The creative team is very, very, bad.

- They push the wrong characters or push them in the wrong roles
- They do not develop long term storylines
- They do not put a lot of effort into structuring the shows (Raw and Smackdown)
- Raw needs to only be 2 hours

Usually it was the fan response that put someone in the top spot as a face for a push. For a hell, you got the push if you could be a very good antagonist to whatever was making the face a good protagonist.

- So back in early 1999 when Austin was a face, his "face" push was all about being anti-corporate, rough around the edges, foul-mouth, red neck employee who stood up to the corporate powers that be and defeated them. So the perfect "heel" was Vince Mcmahon and The Corporate Rock, both were corporate, good dressed, articulate, and over the top arrogant pricks.

- Back during the 80's/early 90's, most of Hulk Hogan's opponents were the large, angry, monster/giants. This was to be the antagonist to Hogan's protagonist super hero/I can overcome things larger than me, gimmick.

They don't write the shows like this anymore. Vince randomly picks someone to be the top face based on (insert whatever random thing here) and randomly picks someone to be that face's opponent based on (insert whatever random thing here). So if Tenacity were writing the show, how would I structure it right now?

* The top faces would be Bray Wyatt and Kevin Owens. Their protagonist "face" stances would be based on being an out of the box good performer, good talker, who doesn't look the part of the typical top "face" based on corporate/authority/traditional standards. BTW, this is why Daniel Bryan and CM Punk (the last true top faces) got over.

* The top heels would be John Cena and Roman Reigns. Their antagonist "heel" stances would have them forming a corporate/authority power group that overtly does what Vince is doing backstage. Basically, Vince comes out and says these two are his top picks, and using authority figures like a HHH or Stephanie to make sure Cena and Roman are always in the best roles. Add to this super group guys like an Orton and Sheamus as well. Also Roman would not TALK, Roman would just be a very quiet bad-a.ss that does Vince Mcmahon's dirty work.

Also, Cena and Reigns DO NOT have to change their characters for this to work. If the kids still like them, that's great....I wouldn't change anything about their characters, just put them in different roles and just don't have Reigns TALK that much.

It's time they go back to the anti-hero type of formula, rather than trying to repeat the Hogan superhero formula.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I still watch from time to time, the problem is the creative team in my opinion...not the wrestlers. I would go on board to say between the main roster and NXT, this is the most TALENTED group of wrestlers/entertainers that they have EVER had.

The creative team is very, very, bad.

Yes it is, but a lot of these wrestlers are highly overrated as well. Then again, I'm very old school and it takes a lot to win me over. Very few of these guys are going to make it. Remember how all we heard was how Dolph Ziggler was the next HBK? He even stole his finisher. People were even calling Tyler Breeze the next HBK for a few weeks. Dolph Ziggler is Bill Gunn 2.0 and Breeze is Rick Martel 2.0 at best. Neither one of these guys are fit to lace Shawn's shoes. And now the new thing is Enzo and Big Cass. I like the little guy running around with the exaggerated NY accent, but where would the 7 footer be without him? He's the most bland looking dude I've ever seen. The roster is full of guys like this. Baron Corbin? Apollo Crews?

For the record, I was a huge fan of Bryan, and I like Cesaro, Finn Balor, Rusev (he rode in on a tank at WM and they wrecked him a year later), and Titus O'Neil

I'll give you that there are guys like Dean Ambrose who are suffering from an awful creative team. Dean could be Brian Pillman with mentally deranged promos at the level of a Brian Pillman. He is watered down worse than Dollar Tree shampoo. But at the same time a lot of these other guys just aren't that good. Just look at Roman. He is the worst WWE Champion of all time in my book. The runner up is The Miz.

But it's not just the world title. We also saw the two worst IC champs over the last 5 years or so - Curtis Axel and Drew McIntrye. These guys were bland GARBAGE and were handed the title that Warrior, Piper, Bret, Shawn, Razor, and Perfect (ironic huh) made famous. WWE has been trying to push random nobodies for a decade now. Ryback anyone?

Creative has also destroyed New Day. These guys had elements of the Nation of Domination and could have worked a humorous side into it like they were, but now it's so far over the edge the group is doomed.

- They do not develop long term storylines
- They do not put a lot of effort into structuring the shows (Raw and Smackdown)
- Raw needs to only be 2 hours

- Yes! It's rematch, rematch, rematch and overt randomness. I remember one feud between Big Show and Ryback where the whole feud revolved around the word BIG in both their nicknames. WTF!?
- Yes, since when do the shows end in clean 6 man tag finishes or Diva segments?
- YES!!! (Even 2 hr 15 min is fine when they go past 11 pm. 3 is way too long)

- So back in early 1999 when Austin was a face, his "face" push was all about being anti-corporate, rough around the edges, foul-mouth, red neck employee who stood up to the corporate powers that be and defeated them. So the perfect "heel" was Vince Mcmahon and The Corporate Rock, both were corporate, good dressed, articulate, and over the top arrogant pricks.

- Back during the 80's/early 90's, most of Hulk Hogan's opponents were the large, angry, monster/giants. This was to be the antagonist to Hogan's protagonist super hero/I can overcome things larger than me, gimmick.

They don't write the shows like this anymore. Vince randomly picks someone to be the top face based on (insert whatever random thing here) and randomly picks someone to be that face's opponent based on (insert whatever random thing here). So if Tenacity were writing the show, how would I structure it right now?

* The top faces would be Bray Wyatt and Kevin Owens. Their protagonist "face" stances would be based on being an out of the box good performer, good talker, who doesn't look the part of the typical top "face" based on corporate/authority/traditional standards. BTW, this is why Daniel Bryan and CM Punk (the last true top faces) got over.

* The top heels would be John Cena and Roman Reigns. Their antagonist "heel" stances would have them forming a corporate/authority power group that overtly does what Vince is doing backstage. Basically, Vince comes out and says these two are his top picks, and using authority figures like a HHH or Stephanie to make sure Cena and Roman are always in the best roles. Add to this super group guys like an Orton and Sheamus as well. Also Roman would not TALK, Roman would just be a very quiet bad-a.ss that does Vince Mcmahon's dirty work.

Also, Cena and Reigns DO NOT have to change their characters for this to work. If the kids still like them, that's great....I wouldn't change anything about their characters, just put them in different roles and just don't have Reigns TALK that much.

It's time they go back to the anti-hero type of formula, rather than trying to repeat the Hogan superhero formula.

Yup. (Isn't it a testament to The Rock how a guy like him made a corporate gimmick work while wearing Hawaiin shirts with waxed eyebrows????)

Daniel Bryan was rising to the level of a Hogan/Austin and they did everything they could to sabotage him before he got injured.

I like the idea of Roman/Cena forming a new corporation, but we have a better chance of both hitting the Powerball than seeing that.

I like the idea of Bray as a mega face too. Drop "The Family" gimmick and those jobbers and give him a more balanced gimmick. You can still keep the mystical angle by having him cake on eyeliner and give cryptic promos, but drop the swamp family stuff. Make him a little more human like when Taker went Ministry, he was still a very sinister character but was a red-blooded human being in that form.

 

[cola]

I dont understand the hate for Roman Reigns. I think he's great and have been a fan since he came in WWE and I'm glad he got the push.

The next HBK in my eyes? Sammy Zane.
He's got it all. The moveset, The Mic Skills.. i looove Sammy Zane and think he has so much potential to be a top face.. and hes young.

Thats my guy and really hope hes wwe champion soon.

That Helluva Kick my God! Best finisher in wwe right now

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I dont understand the hate for Roman Reigns. I think he's great and have been a fan since he came in WWE and I'm glad he got the push.

The next HBK in my eyes? Sammy Zane.
He's got it all. The moveset, The Mic Skills.. i looove Sammy Zane and think he has so much potential to be a top face.. and hes young.

Thats my guy and really hope hes wwe champion soon.

That Helluva Kick my God! Best finisher in wwe right now

Dude, you serious?

Watch Reigns' bean stalk promo, suffering socotash promo, tater tots promo. This guy is AWFUL. He's slow, awkward, has strange pauses, changes demeanor in the middle of promos from furious to "Pshhhh", and makes stupid faces.

Give Roman a haircut and wax his eyebrows and he looks just like Rock, yet had to head it's night and day. The Rock could be the 3rd most important player in the company's history. Roman is Rock f you suck out all the charisma with a vaccuum and take away the acting and wrestling skils.

Look at this idiot. Cousin Umaga is turning over in his grave.

Sami is good but I don't see the HBK comparisons. Sometimes you can clearly tell when they're modeling a wrestler after a past wrestler.

Goldberg ------> Ryback
Billy Gunn ------> Dolph
The Genius -----> Sandow
Batista -------> Mason Ryan
Pillman ------> Ambrose

The 2nd column are blatant rip-offs of the 1st column. They'll literally just re-invent the same guy. So somebody like Tyler Breeze is modeled straight out of the HBK textbook, only he's not got 1% of Shawn's talent.

You may see them turn Sami Zayn into the next Daniel Bryan --- underdog little guy with a beard who spent a long time on the indy scene.

 

[cola]

One good thing Roman has is alpha body language, i just like him. Dont have a defense as to why.
Well I think the WWE may have more talent on the roster than ever before..

Shinsuke Nakamura ffs!
Finn Balor
AJ Styles
Sammi Zayne
Kevin Owens
Cessaro
Bray Wyatt
Rollins
Neville
Del Rio
Big E
Ambrose
I think all these guys are great and every person I named could be a VERY marketable WWE champ.

WWE just wastes talent..
So glad the brand split is coming, with all this talent they NEED two heavyweight belts

I'm excited for this new era my self

 

[BlueAlpha1]

One good thing Roman has is alpha body language, i just like him. Dont have a defense as to why.
Well I think the WWE may have more talent on the roster than ever before..

Shinsuke Nakamura ffs!
Finn Balor
AJ Styles
Sammi Zayne
Kevin Owens
Cessaro
Bray Wyatt
Rollins
Neville
Del Rio
Big E
Ambrose
I think all these guys are great and every person I named could be a VERY marketable WWE champ.

WWE just wastes talent..
So glad the brand split is coming, with all this talent they NEED two heavyweight belts

Haven't seen Nakamura because I stopped watching NXT. I like Finn Balor, Cesaro and Bray.

I think Styles is highly overrated. Del Rio's best days are long behind him - he's doing nothing now.

Don't see the appeal of Neville except as a high flyer to do ladder spots.

Owens and Rollins won me over with time.

Ambrose is really running out of time. 2 years of bad creative since Shield split up..he's now a G-Rated, 2nd rate Pillman. Very soon nobody will care and when they try to push him he'll just be that giggly, softcore "lunatic"

Big E has potential because he's loaded with charisma and an intense look (lightyears ahead of Roman) but New Day has to go. Turn Big E heel and push Xavier as the face (Big E ultimately should win the feud) and send Kofi to the Smackdown brand where he can work with the youngsters, his ship has sailed.

Rusev can be a superstar. When he rode in on a tank to fight Cena I thought his day had come, but Cena buried him and he was lost for a full year. Now he's the anti-American heel who hijacked the US Championship and he's feuding with Jack Swagger and random other American dudes like Titis O'Neil. Again. Like when they were trotting out Big Show, Henry, and a random new guy every single week. Seriously creative, your idea for Rusev was just to travel back in time two years and do the exact same thing?

 

[cola]

Lol, are your one of thoes fans who are never happy? Have you seeb Del Rio lately? He lost like 25 lbs of fat and added 10 lbs of muscle he looks like a frikkin greek statue. His best days arent behind him, he is a very good heel they just dont use him right.

Ambrose WILL be the wwe champion soon, his time hasnt even begun yet. The fans LOVE him.

Nakamura is HUGE in Japan. The fact they even sent him to NXT was insulting, same with balor.

In japan Balor, Nakamura, Styles and G&A were the bullet club. They were like a mix of NWO and DX combined. They bring the full "club" back it could be THE stable of this generation

Styles is dope. Great in the ring, above average on Mic.

WWE is holding a GREAT hand. Just got to play it right.

 

[cola]

You know another reason why WWE pushes Roman? Women. Women LOVE Roman. Women think hes hot as f*ck.
Its a whole new demographic watching WWE just to drool over the dude..

 

[Tenacity]

Reigns has a VERY good look/image/stage presence. When he walks in the room or walks on the TV, he looks like a top star. But he is uncomfortable as hell delivering live promos in the arena, he was okay with the taped Shield promos back in the day and even when he's out in the media doing interviews, he's pretty much okay. It's only when he's out in front of the live crowds doing the promos that he's VERY uncomfortable.

Paul Heyman talked about how he would display a wrestler's strengths and hide their weaknesses. The Reigns character should be a SILENT, c0cky, a.ss kicker that walks alone at this point. No backstage interviews, no in ring interviews....basically his music hits, he comes out, whoops a.ss, and leaves. If he has to SAY anything, it's something extremely short, sweet, and to the point of how he is about to whoop your a.ss.

This is how Bischoff managed Goldberg in 1997/1998, who also couldn't cut live promos as well as couldn't deliver a match over 15 minutes, but Goldberg had a VERY good look/image/stage presence.

That's the way that character should be booked, again, this comes back to the problems with the creative team. I will go on record and say this is the WORSE creative team of at least the last 25 years since I've been watching wrestling at age 7. This is FAR worse than anything they put out in 1993 - 1996, while 1993 - 1996 wrestlers were more "cartoonish", the creative storylines (and characters) STILL made sense.

When the Shield FIRST broke up in the Summer of 2014, the Reigns character was being booked like I described. When he got injured and came back in early 2015, that's when the STUPID booking started.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Lol, are your one of thoes fans who are never happy? Have you seeb Del Rio lately? He lost like 25 lbs of fat and added 10 lbs of muscle he looks like a frikkin greek statue. His best days arent behind him, he is a very good heel they just dont use him right.

Ambrose WILL be the wwe champion soon, his time hasnt even begun yet. The fans LOVE him.

Nakamura is HUGE in Japan. The fact they even sent him to NXT was insulting, same with balor.

In japan Balor, Nakamura, Styles and G&A were the bullet club. They were like a mix of NWO and DX combined. They bring the full "club" back it could be THE stable of this generation

Styles is dope. Great in the ring, above average on Mic.

WWE is holding a GREAT hand. Just got to play it right.

No, it's not that I'm never happy, but the product sucks. Come on, you know this is a D-rate show with A talent on hand.

Yes, Del Rio looks great. So does Fandago. What's your point? They're not doing anything with Del Rio. He was hot in 2011 with Ricardo Rodriguez but that's a half-decade ago. People don't care about him anymore.

Ambrose shouldn't be WWE Champion right now. This is a guy who was hardcore and cut insane promos and he has been watered down to a G-Rated circus character. I'm staring to think it's he who should have turned on The Shield. The people don't "love" him. They loved Daniel Bryan. Enough people like Dean, but put him in the ring with another popular face and he'll get some boos from the male crowd. Because he's just another childish character now.

I think the brand split will be a start. Bring Raw back to 2 hours because it's unbearable at 3 and make Smackdown worth watching. Put the established stars like Cena, Roman, Taker, Brock, Jericho, HHH, Seth, and Dean on Raw and put the up and comers like AJ, Cesaro, Owens, Zayn, Balor, Nakamura, on Smackdown to give them a wrestling clinic. No need to add a 2nd world title, put the IC Title on Smackdown and prop it up.

We need feuds that MAKE SENSE, not random matches and endless rematches (Rusev/Swagger, Ziggler/Corbin, New Day/Dudleys, Owens/Ambrose) with non-finishes.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Reigns has a VERY good look/image/stage presence. When he walks in the room or walks on the TV, he looks like a top star. But he is uncomfortable as hell delivering live promos in the arena, he was okay with the taped Shield promos back in the day and even when he's out in the media doing interviews, he's pretty much okay. It's only when he's out in front of the live crowds doing the promos that he's VERY uncomfortable.

Paul Heyman talked about how he would display a wrestler's strengths and hide their weaknesses. The Reigns character should be a SILENT, c0cky, a.ss kicker that walks alone at this point. No backstage interviews, no in ring interviews....basically his music hits, he comes out, whoops a.ss, and leaves. If he has to SAY anything, it's something extremely short, sweet, and to the point of how he is about to whoop your a.ss.

This is how Bischoff managed Goldberg in 1997/1998, who also couldn't cut live promos as well as couldn't deliver a match over 15 minutes, but Goldberg had a VERY good look/image/stage presence.

That's the way that character should be booked, again, this comes back to the problems with the creative team. I will go on record and say this is the WORSE creative team of at least the last 25 years since I've been watching wrestling at age 7. This is FAR worse than anything they put out in 1993 - 1996, while 1993 - 1996 wrestlers were more "cartoonish", the creative storylines (and characters) STILL made sense.

When the Shield FIRST broke up in the Summer of 2014, the Reigns character was being booked like I described. When he got injured and came back in early 2015, that's when the STUPID booking started.

I agree that Roman is better of just being a quiet ass kicker, but not because he's in Goldberg's league. Because he's the worst WWE Champion in history if he talks.