I Have Anger Problems/I Don't Know What To Do

[Tenacity]

Tenacity, you confound cause and effect. The goal is not to find the unicorn. The goal is to be the unicorn. When you raise the bar of quality within yourself, you will find these "quality" women--all of a sudden--become more abundant in your life.

When you have a shortage of "something" in your life, understand this to mean you have a shortage of this "something" in yourself. Herein is the reason WHY these "quality" women are not readily available to you.Tell me who you are attracting, and I will tell you who you are.

Again, I have NO CLUE what the hell you are talking about in relation to raising the bar of quality in myself, what in the HELL are you talking about dude lol?

I'm staying on my current path and mission, I will update this thread within a couple of days.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Again, I have NO CLUE what the hell you are talking about in relation to raising the bar of quality in myself, what in the HELL are you talking about dude lol?

After a cursory view, here's one example:

After looking back over the previous 5 - 6 years, I believe that I actually DID get girls that fit this [quality] criteria but I just sort of fvcked up the relationship. As I mentioned I had been "going off" a lot, and usually when I went off on certain girls they wouldn't tolerate it, they would immediately cut ties, while some girls would stick around after the "episode".

Perhaps best to share a few more examples of what "quality" you can improve upon in yourself. The most herculean of feats is setting forth an honest, objective, critical analysis of our shortcomings--and then assiduously working on them.

 

[Tenacity]

After a cursory view, here's one example:



Perhaps best to share a few more examples of what "quality" you can improve upon in yourself. The most herculean of feats is setting forth an honest, objective, critical analysis of our shortcomings--and then assiduously working on them.

No, I have anger issues and I'm working on those, but understand those issues had NOTHING to do with attracting the women. I already had them, I would just randomly go off and they got tired of it.

You were saying something about becoming a unicorn instead of trying to find a unicorn. Listen, I just don't believe in this aspect of anybody being BETTER than anybody, every chick is fvcked up in some type of way just like every guy is FVCKED UP in some type of way. It's just managing the different types of women to determine what you can tolerate and can't tolerate.

The chicks I'm targeting now are not unicorns and they are not perfect. They wake up in the morning with bad breath, crust in their eyes and have disgusting periods every month like every other chick does. When they fart it stinks. When they don't bathe, they stink. Sometimes they have good days (good moods), bad days (bad moods). They can look pretty, if they spend the time and money to do so, just like most chicks would have to spend the time and money on makeup, weave, etc. to look pretty, they don't WAKE UP pretty.

I have absolutely NO CLUE what you guys are referring to when you talk about these super, duper high quality women. But I know that for my personal experiences and for my life, I'm looking for the girl I've identified who fulfills the needs that I'm looking for...but in NO WAY IN HELL is she a unicorn, or perfect, or anything spectacular. No woman is.

 

[Slickster]

Again, I have NO CLUE what the hell you are talking about in relation to raising the bar of quality in myself, what in the HELL are you talking about dude lol?

I'm staying on my current path and mission, I will update this thread within a couple of days.

The same thing I was talking about. Becoming a better person so you can attract better people into your life!

Being a better person doesn't just mean working out and making more money dude. I'm starting to really wonder if you have it in you. You may be like my buddy in my example above. I think it is very telling that people are giving you pages of great advice and wisdom and your replies only touch on the meaningless sh!t or you say you don't understand "lol". You don't want to talk about the root of your issues or the fact that you may have room to improve your own personality beyond the seduction games you learned on the internet.

For starters maybe you need to redefine what "quality girls" actually means. In your original post you say:

"Every single chick I get, there's always a major fvcking problem with her. Either she has weight issues to the point of when she's naked I get turned off, or the bytch is a gold-digger and constantly tries to get me to give her money, or the chick has financial issues which means she has to ask me to help pay her $30 Metro PCS bill, or the chick is just flat out fickle as hell and you don't know if she's going OR coming."

Yet in your post above you say:

"So I need to make that clear to you and everybody reading, I DO NOT and HAVE NOT been dating low level, ghetto, ratchet, chicks. I've been dating what's stereotypically considered the "good girl".

I think your definition of good girl is fvcked.

Then you say:

"Now, when I say I'm targeting higher "quality" women, I'm basically looking for just one chick who has everything I want. That is a chick with no weight issues, no financial issues, and NO attitude/personality issues. Just a nice balanced chick. That's it. Nothing special, nothing glamorous, THAT'S all I want."

How about thinking a little deeper than superficial sh!t like looks and money. I meet 10 chicks a day who meet the above criteria of your higher quality women. You make women like this sound like unicorns from your posts on this site. There are genuine and quality people all around you. Yes some of them are women and they are good looking.

Again, I'm starting to wonder whether you have it in you to attract and keep a quality woman let alone recognize one.

 

[Tenacity]

Slick,

Tell me, what is a quality woman to you then? Break it down and give me an example of a chick (with pics) who fit this criteria.

Also what I meant with the above is that I don't date ghetto or ratchet women, those are women I consider "low level". The women I date are usually all in college or graduated from college, with some job or career. They aren't ghetto or ratchet. From my experience, the "bad girl" is considered the ratchet chicks, the "good girl" is the one in college or graduated from college with her head on straight.

However, some of them DO have financial issues, or gold-digging issues, or they are fickle as hell, or they have weight problems or too many damn kids.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Again, I'm starting to wonder whether you have it in you to attract and keep a quality woman let alone recognize one.

^^^

The only path to improving ones results is owning up to ones own shortcomings.

 

[Slickster]

Slick,

Tell me, what is a quality woman to you then? Break it down and give me an example of a chick (with pics) who fit this criteria.

:facepalm:

 

[mrgoodstuff]

No, I have anger issues and I'm working on those, but understand those issues had NOTHING to do with attracting the women. I already had them, I would just randomly go off and they got tired of it.

You were saying something about becoming a unicorn instead of trying to find a unicorn. Listen, I just don't believe in this aspect of anybody being BETTER than anybody, every chick is fvcked up in some type of way just like every guy is FVCKED UP in some type of way. It's just managing the different types of women to determine what you can tolerate and can't tolerate.

The chicks I'm targeting now are not unicorns and they are not perfect. They wake up in the morning with bad breath, crust in their eyes and have disgusting periods every month like every other chick does. When they fart it stinks. When they don't bathe, they stink. Sometimes they have good days (good moods), bad days (bad moods). They can look pretty, if they spend the time and money to do so, just like most chicks would have to spend the time and money on makeup, weave, etc. to look pretty, they don't WAKE UP pretty.

I have absolutely NO CLUE what you guys are referring to when you talk about these super, duper high quality women. But I know that for my personal experiences and for my life, I'm looking for the girl I've identified who fulfills the needs that I'm looking for...but in NO WAY IN HELL is she a unicorn, or perfect, or anything spectacular. No woman is.

Exactly. I see it the same way. At a point where someone can be reasonably attractive to me and improve my life in some way, also that she is responsible, a good partner and has some personal accountability. Also a good sex life is super important for me and must be for her too.

 

[BeTheChange]

For starters maybe you need to redefine what "quality girls" actually means. In your original post you say:

"Every single chick I get, there's always a major fvcking problem with her. Either she has weight issues to the point of when she's naked I get turned off, or the bytch is a gold-digger and constantly tries to get me to give her money, or the chick has financial issues which means she has to ask me to help pay her $30 Metro PCS bill, or the chick is just flat out fickle as hell and you don't know if she's going OR coming."

Yet in your post above you say:

"So I need to make that clear to you and everybody reading, I DO NOT and HAVE NOT been dating low level, ghetto, ratchet, chicks. I've been dating what's stereotypically considered the "good girl".

I think your definition of good girl is fvcked.

Then you say:

"Now, when I say I'm targeting higher "quality" women, I'm basically looking for just one chick who has everything I want. That is a chick with no weight issues, no financial issues, and NO attitude/personality issues. Just a nice balanced chick. That's it. Nothing special, nothing glamorous, THAT'S all I want."

How about thinking a little deeper than superficial sh!t like looks and money. I meet 10 chicks a day who meet the above criteria of your higher quality women. You make women like this sound like unicorns from your posts on this site. There are genuine and quality people all around you. Yes some of them are women and they are good looking.

Again, I'm starting to wonder whether you have it in you to attract and keep a quality woman let alone recognize one.

*mic drop

/thread

I've been saying this since day one.

Tenacity's version of this "rare" high quality women is pretty much every girl I've been with for longer than 3 weeks, since finding this site in 2010 and actually going through the gruelling process of real change.

Quality attracts quality and Ten will never acknowledge this because of what it ultimately says about him.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

*mic drop

/thread

I've been saying this since day one.

Tenacity's version of this "rare" high quality women is pretty much every girl I've been with for longer than 3 weeks, since finding this site in 2010 and actually going through the gruelling process of real change.

Quality attracts quality and Ten will never acknowledge this because of what it ultimately says about him.

What? "Good" women, who will carry their share of the load, don't expect everything from you, are actually helpful and ontop of it attractive to you? IE: they bring QUALITY into your life.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

The more "quality" chicks usually always take longer to fvck, they are harder to fvck, they don't communicate as QUICKLY as the other type of chicks do, they are more likely to be fickle, more likely to cancel a date at the last minute, etc.

Do you guys think this is just the way it is, or might I be doing something that's causing this? When people like T.O. say that my personality might be totally off, I just don't see it? The chicks are laughing, having a good time, the traditional "seduction" stuff such as ****y/funny, kino and elicting values are all incorporated into my "natural" personality, but maybe I'm missing something that I'm doing wrong and don't know it? OR, are these chicks just more of a pain in the a.ss in general??

Do you think these quality unicorns would be fickle or dare to cancel a date with let's say a John F. Kennedy Jr.?

YES, there is something missing. Hint: It's not money, power, status, or appearance (although I don't know how you dress which also may be a problem if it mirrors how you carry yourself).

 

[Reyaj]

PLEASE make this thread, better yet, how about you post it right here in this thread? This thread can be the discussion/debate ground on this topic which in my opinion is an extremely IMPORTANT topic.

It's the battle of two different viewpoints of the holistic market in general:

- I'm seeing (currently) a fvcked up "women dynamic" in general that's setup for you to lose before you even begin. In other words, if you don't "get" a decent chick then you are of course "rejected" and have to deal with the feelings of such isolation. But if you "get" the chick, it's almost worse than being rejected because now you have to manage a SHYT LOAD of issues, personalities, protect your finances, pray to God/Moses/(insert whomever else) that your chick doesn't FLIP on you and cut your nuts off one day in Court, etc. etc.

- Then the other side is basically saying, life is how you make it and even though most women are fvcked up in general, if you setup a quality filtering criteria AND continue to work on yourself in terms of your SMV, then you can now begin to get into a position to not just initially attract the "quality girl", but also keep her in terms of a relationship.

I don't want this discussion and debate to stop, I hope this thread goes for 50 damn pages because in my opinion, it's one of the most important debates of our current dating time period. Guys on the other side have migrated to this thread like HitHard, BeTheChange, and T.O., but there are countless guys out there who see this from my point of view like a Des, maybe an Espi, a LiveFree, a Reyaj, and more.

I want more people to jump in this, on either side, so we can discuss this topic in full and put it ALL out there. Honestly, I don't even know if there's a right or wrong side with this, that's how complicated and complex this issue is.

Sorry it takes me hella long to reply between posts. I honestly check in on here every once in a while as real life has me quite occupied. I'll keep this thread going to discuss the debate, but I'm going to post my research on a separate thread because it will be cumulative of what I've found dating women for about the past 10 years or so. The thread will be based on purely real world results which I will then theorize and have discussions on. My goal has always been the same since I joined here: To improve my understanding of women and to improve myself to obtain the best possible results I can.

I don't want to shvit on what others have posted here because I truly believe their intentions are good. However you are correct that the market itself is overall crappy. Slickster is married for years from what I understand. I feel a lot of his views are slanted to try to defend that decision. For someone supposedly married and content with his quality woman he sure posts a lot on here and seems obsessed with game. I doubt he would ever admit he misses it though. For someone not actively in the game you have to take what he says with an extreme grain of salt. No offense Slick (though I'm sure you'll come at me lol)

Btw you ever go to Troy to pick up chicks? I hear that's the trendy spot and not far from Clinton Twp.

 

[Tenacity]

Do you think these quality unicorns would be fickle or dare to cancel a date with let's say a John F. Kennedy Jr.? YES, there is something missing. Hint: It's not money, power, status.....

No, it's exactly due to money, power and status. A chick is not likely to cancel a date with the President of the United States because he's an A List celebrity for goodness sakes. Women faint when these guys walk in the room due to the media attention, status and presumed power that the guy has. Ask EVERY A-List celebrity did women do that to them before they hit it big? Nobody was fainting over Justin Timberlake before he became "Justin Timberlake".

Tenacity's version of this "rare" high quality women is pretty much every girl I've been with for longer than 3 weeks, since finding this site in 2010....

Whoa, now wait a minute.

You just literally turned 26 dude, 2010 was 6 years ago which would have put you at 19 - 20 years of age. You mean to tell me at 19 - 20 you were pulling women that I deem "quality", who again are women with college education, good finances, no more than 1 kid, great looks and great attitudes...when you claimed here in this thread that at the age of 21 you had no job, no savings and debt up the a.ss? You were attracting "quality" women when you were broke, with no job and debt up the a.ss? You are a damn liar. Then have the nerve to talk about "quality attracts quality", when you were NON-QUALITY supposedly attracting quality. Why get up here and lie?

:facepalm:

Why the face palm Slick? Tell you what, this is off topic, but can I go on a little rant for a minute?

Espi made a thread back in November, about if the 25 year old rule should be eliminated to post on the Mature Man Forum. What I believe makes this Forum different than the General Discussion is that we are ALL supposed to be somewhat "advanced" guys on this topic, thus, discussions are more in-depth and don't center around "how do I approach her" type of bullshyt.

But with that being said, I believe EVERY GUY on this section needs a picture posted and some type of direct, individualized report from the field on their experiences.

I have posted everything about myself on this Forum, from my pics, to my car, my apartment, and I have given a SIGNIFICANT amount of direct field report/analysis. But I keep getting guys coming at me who are anonymous as fvck, with no picture, no information on who they are, who they fvck, no field reports, NO SHYT, telling me that my direct field analysis on the market in general is bullshyt.

Look, I just CAUGHT BeTheChange for example, in a direct LIE, now how many of you other guys who keep responding with this "the market isn't all bad" bullshyt are just flat out lying on some keyboard jockey shyt?

Forget a 25 year old rule to post here, a guy can have "matured" in this dating game and be only 21 years old. I would MUCH rather read what that guy would have to say (like a Ruler for example) than what these anonymous, no field report posting and no field analysis posting a.ss guys are putting up here.

Hey I'm not trying to be a prick, I'm just making some Forum update suggestions lol.

 

[Asmodeus]

Kind of going back on the issue in the original post... I guess I feel the same way to a degree. I was once a "nice guy" and have become the total opposite of what I was a looooong time ago. I found that being generous and friendly to women only got me kicked in the dirt. I realized that women did like all the "bad guys". I hit a point years ago where I just stopped giving a ****. I sought to prove to women that they were all just sluts, and that is when I changed completely. The strange part about it... I was right... I deceive and manipulate women for fun, and yet I have had more luck with attracting women then I ever had as my past self... I keep getting more and more... sociopathic...I have become a borderline psychopath toward women, and somehow in some way I cannot describe they are attracted to that. They are sluts... I did not believe it at first but I guess I proved myself right.

 

[ChrisFloyd]

Hmm, I wonder if your post is of genuine intent--or the good ol' reel them back into this thread and deride em'.

It seems more like the latter lol.

 

[Asasione]

No, it's exactly due to money, power and status. A chick is not likely to cancel a date with the President of the United States because he's an A List celebrity for goodness sakes. Women faint when these guys walk in the room due to the media attention, status and presumed power that the guy has. Ask EVERY A-List celebrity did women do that to them before they hit it big? Nobody was fainting over Justin Timberlake before he became "Justin Timberlake".


Whoa, now wait a minute.

You just literally turned 26 dude, 2010 was 6 years ago which would have put you at 19 - 20 years of age. You mean to tell me at 19 - 20 you were pulling women that I deem "quality", who again are women with college education, good finances, no more than 1 kid, great looks and great attitudes...when you claimed here in this thread that at the age of 21 you had no job, no savings and debt up the a.ss? You were attracting "quality" women when you were broke, with no job and debt up the a.ss? You are a damn liar. Then have the nerve to talk about "quality attracts quality", when you were NON-QUALITY supposedly attracting quality. Why get up here and lie?

Why the face palm Slick? Tell you what, this is off topic, but can I go on a little rant for a minute?

Espi made a thread back in November, about if the 25 year old rule should be eliminated to post on the Mature Man Forum. What I believe makes this Forum different than the General Discussion is that we are ALL supposed to be somewhat "advanced" guys on this topic, thus, discussions are more in-depth and don't center around "how do I approach her" type of bullshyt.

But with that being said, I believe EVERY GUY on this section needs a picture posted and some type of direct, individualized report from the field on their experiences.

I have posted everything about myself on this Forum, from my pics, to my car, my apartment, and I have given a SIGNIFICANT amount of direct field report/analysis. But I keep getting guys coming at me who are anonymous as fvck, with no picture, no information on who they are, who they fvck, no field reports, NO SHYT, telling me that my direct field analysis on the market in general is bullshyt.

Look, I just CAUGHT BeTheChange for example, in a direct LIE, now how many of you other guys who keep responding with this "the market isn't all bad" bullshyt are just flat out lying on some keyboard jockey shyt?

Forget a 25 year old rule to post here, a guy can have "matured" in this dating game and be only 21 years old. I would MUCH rather read what that guy would have to say (like a Ruler for example) than what these anonymous, no field report posting and no field analysis posting a.ss guys are putting up here.

Hey I'm not trying to be a prick, I'm just making some Forum update suggestions lol.

Tenacity, its become quite evident why you attract the types of women you do based on your attitude. Your definition of a good girl having education, looks good and no debt is extremely useless as it doesn't touch on the more important things such as their character/loyalty/personality and the value they bring to a relationship. Your focused on superficial things like money, education and looks. Shocker you attract shallow women with similar values such as gold diggers, mothers and other types who fit your hollow criteria. I think you need to majorly evaluate what you really want cause I don't see how college education is even a criteria for a woman, its not a job interview. Focus on the intangible qualities that a good partner needs, the kind of woman you want will need be found using your current superficial standards.

You need to get your inner game sorted out (anger and resentment issues) as I don't believe your game techniques will be able to hold up when things start to get real between you and a woman. Your currently too focused on getting laid, so either keep going that route and get your rocks off till you've had enough or start making life changes and decide you want to find someone worthwhile and try out some long term relationships. I believe you're somewhere in between this areas still on the fence about where to go.

I don't think you ever really wanted any help though you claim you do, just want to argue and get some techniques for getting quality women when the answer is simple. Techniques aren't what's necessarily required but a solid personality, you think you'll be doing seduction techniques on a girl for 5 years straight? Good luck on your mission and hope you find what you're looking for

 

[BeTheChange]

Tenacity your response are getting silly now.

In 2010 I sucked with women but I had the advantage of having hit the gym in my formative years so I was doing ok in the looks department. My inner game on the other hand sucked.

It took 6 months before I was pulling these "quality" woman. It's laughable that you don't believe me dude. I was in college. As you know I went to a decent school. Or you don't think there are hot women focused on getting a good education, who don't have kids at college huh? Stop this now. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity your response are getting silly now.

In 2010 I sucked with women but I had the advantage of having hit the gym in my formative years so I was doing ok in the looks department. My inner game on the other hand sucked.

It took 6 months before I was pulling these "quality" woman. It's laughable that you don't believe me dude. I was in college. As you know I went to a decent school. Or you don't think there are hot women focused on getting a good education, who don't have kids at college huh? Stop this now. You're embarrassing yourself.

You said "quality attracts quality", that WAS YOUR original response. How does quality attract quality if you were non-quality and claim you were attracting quality women?

Secondly, how does a 19 - 21 year old guy with no job, broke, with no savings and debt up to his a.ss, attract women who are 25 - 32 with their financial house in order, no kids, with degree and career? You are telling me that you looked SO DAMN GOOD that it over-rided everything else?

Post a picture.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Wise words are often wasted on deaf ears. The broken learn though pain, suffering--and silence.

 

[Tenacity]

Wise words are often wasted on deaf ears. The broken learn though pain, suffering--and silence.

Is that your passive-aggressive way of telling me to fvck off lol?

Just say that follow up questions, clarification and more in-depth discussion is not what you came here for. You wanted to come with some over-simplified "think positive" or "increase your quality" advice, when the situation is much more complicated than that. I appreciated everybody's responses, but you can't get ticked off when I ask follow-up questions to these New Thought Movement "think positive and it will all workout" type of statements you guys make.