"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Manipulating women through their insecurities.

WanderingMan

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A Man is himself. He is proud of who he is, and not afraid to show it. He does not need to 'manipulate'. He may "play the game" because he knows the true nature of women, but he does not need to pretend to be something he is not.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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'nice guys' are the most manipulative people out there. They are 'nice' for the sole purpose of manipulating women into liking them. They are not true to themselves, they are not themselves while being nice. They will let women walk all over them and will be their punching bags because they think, by doing so, that they will eventually be rewarded with female attention. It is these same nice guys that will eventually show their true colors. Their persona and act does have an expiration date. They will act out, and, depending on who they are and what they've been through, will eventually become the bad guy when-if their nice guy tactics are not rewarded.
This is kinda true but not an absolute..
I am a very nice person, if someone is nice to me then I am extremely gracious and nice to them. I am 37 years old and I dont have the effort to be fake or put on an act to get what I like. I have never had problems getting girls so if one isnt working I will go find another. As time goes on through a ltr I remain nice and composed, but if I begin to be mistreated then I make a stand and walk. I dont take **** and am not going to be a punching bag. I am very nice, do a lot out of my way for people who treat me well it is a way I show my appreciation. However I have been a fighter since I was 9 years old. I dont compete now but my spirit is still one of a fighter, I wont put up with **** especially from someone who has nothing to offer me. Yes I am very nice, but when the **** hits the fan there is the ****ing door. I will have a new better looking version of you here tomorrow night if I want. That is my nice guy persona. By no means a *****. I was married for 10 months and my wife became a lazy ****ty partner, I gave her time, tried to be loving and composed and work things out, she did not improve for a few months so one day I called her and packed her **** up and put it outside. Told her she is out and if she wanted to bring her dad or brother to help get her stuff no problem, if they cause trouble with me I would break their faces. She showed up shocked and scared, I didnt say a word, packed her stuff up and tried to get back with me for months. I went no contact and have not talked to her in 8 years, she called me crying, messages and emails for 5 years trying to get back with me, i NEVER responded once ever. NC for life, I am a nice and caring guy but if you cross me I wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire to put u out..............There are no absolutes .
 

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'nice guys' are the most manipulative people out there. They are 'nice' for the sole purpose of manipulating women into liking them. They are not true to themselves, they are not themselves while being nice. They will let women walk all over them and will be their punching bags because they think, by doing so, that they will eventually be rewarded with female attention. It is these same nice guys that will eventually show their true colors. Their persona and act does have an expiration date. They will act out, and, depending on who they are and what they've been through, will eventually become the bad guy when-if their nice guy tactics are not rewarded.
This is partly true. Nice guys are using those methods in the illusion that they are the ones who manipulate the female . So in the end they are the ones getting manipulated by the women. As you said ,depending on the circumstances the nice guy will react either to change and become a bad guy or become a dj or stay the same for the rest of their lifes.

Its individual is choosing its own path .
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Poon King called you a beta.

And it buuurrrrned enough for you to write a reply. And the only thing in your reply is how much my insult DOESN'T bother you.

You're not fooling anyone.. my beta friend.
lol, it's hilarious how stuck you are in the alpha/beta mindset (which studies have proven to be false, prestige trumps all)

when it comes down to it, you really think you're a big bad "alpha" when you spend some of your free time whining about how terrible women are on a forum about being more successful with women?

but anyway, im about done here as this forum in general is stuck too much in the "alpha/beta thinking." I'm more in the camp that being fun, in shape, dressing well, respecting yourself matters way, way more than all these subconscious psychological theories the guys here believe in. attraction is not much of a choice, and women aren't any worse than men in the grand scheme of things.

read this: http://markmanson.net/content/PDFs/Butchering_The_Alpha_Male.pdf

anyway, what do I know? I am just a little weak beta male that is controlled by women :(:(:(:(:(

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lol, it's hilarious how stuck you are in the alpha/beta mindset (which studies have proven to be false, prestige trumps all)

when it comes down to it, you really think you're a big bad "alpha" when you spend some of your free time whining about how terrible women are on a forum about being more successful with women?

but anyway, im about done here as this forum in general is stuck too much in the "alpha/beta thinking." I'm more in the camp that being fun, in shape, dressing well, respecting yourself matters way, way more than all these subconscious psychological theories the guys here believe in. attraction is not much of a choice, and women aren't any worse than men in the grand scheme of things.

read this: http://markmanson.net/content/PDFs/Butchering_The_Alpha_Male.pdf

anyway, what do I know? I am just a little weak beta male that is controlled by women :(:(:(:(:(

out
Cry more, b!tch.

I spend some of my free time educating men on this site. NOT whining about "how terrible women are".

You're welcome.
 
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