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If this is your first visit to SoSuave, I would advise you to START HERE.
It will be the most efficient use of your time.
And you will learn everything you need to know to become a huge success with women.
Thank you for visiting and have a great day!
Very Scary but Informative Site
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Cool man, did you like what you read of the Asian guys book though?IsiMan84 said:
Well the parts I could read. Maybe it's just me but my computer slowed up big time and the pictures would work occasionally. It's pretty freakin' long though. If only it were on any other site besides GeoCities.
try this link
http://us.share.geocities.com/wwu777us/Why_I_am_Happier_in_Europe_Russia.htm
just remember guys, this is geocities were talking about, they cut you off when you get a bees**** of bandwith
http://us.share.geocities.com/wwu777us/Why_I_am_Happier_in_Europe_Russia.htm
just remember guys, this is geocities were talking about, they cut you off when you get a bees**** of bandwith
Quick reply on this. I was intrigued at first just reading the treatise, but after viewing his photologs and how he got continually scammed, mugged, and worse on his trips, I don't know if I can take the guy seriously. He seems to keep thinking every girl that smiles at him in Russia and the former Soviet socialist republic countries is totally innocent or something after having been scammed by them. Also, he gets ENGAGED twice!!
He cheats on his second fiancé, and acts surprised when she sees through his deception and is then very cold to him? Are you serious!!
The guy is fugly, seems to have no common sense, is fat, and seems to pull these woman because they're into his foreignness and they probably think he's rich since he's American.
Just a very weird guy with an almost infantile sense of the world. Just creepy.
He cheats on his second fiancé, and acts surprised when she sees through his deception and is then very cold to him? Are you serious!!
The guy is fugly, seems to have no common sense, is fat, and seems to pull these woman because they're into his foreignness and they probably think he's rich since he's American.
Just a very weird guy with an almost infantile sense of the world. Just creepy.
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That nomarriage website depresses the hell out of me and I know it's easy to say fyck women and how messed up they are but I refuse to become one of those pessimistic fycks who complains all day.
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It works for me just try it between 5-15 min after the hour ends so for example at 12:15 or 1:15 or 9:15. Geocities resets your data transfers every hour so the site gets reset around that time.
i agree with some of the general ideas from that web page. However, I thought that these trends were specific to new england. I don't agree with some blanket statements he makes, but the overall assesment I think rings some truth.
Imagine if most of the women were normal weight ( as opposed to the 66% that our govermnet claims is obese). naturally, the stock value to pretty women would go down substantially. Those prissy girls who use sex as a weapon would have to worry about competition in the field. It would be like introducing an alernative to microsoft into the market.
its all a numbers game, and in the states, i believe the women have the advantage.
Imagine if most of the women were normal weight ( as opposed to the 66% that our govermnet claims is obese). naturally, the stock value to pretty women would go down substantially. Those prissy girls who use sex as a weapon would have to worry about competition in the field. It would be like introducing an alernative to microsoft into the market.
its all a numbers game, and in the states, i believe the women have the advantage.
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This Wu guy came to Sosuave once, and ended up getting run off because he was such a nutbag.
These foreign-only guys are nuts. The key to finding a good woman isn't going foreign. The key to finding a good woman is qualifying. It doesn't matter whether she's foreign or not, and these guys who love only foreigners, probably have no confidence when they sarge in America.
Either that, or they've never been to San Diego.
These foreign-only guys are nuts. The key to finding a good woman isn't going foreign. The key to finding a good woman is qualifying. It doesn't matter whether she's foreign or not, and these guys who love only foreigners, probably have no confidence when they sarge in America.
Either that, or they've never been to San Diego.
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I think it might have to do with our genetic diversity programming. People are attracted to others who are 'different'...looks and/or ethnicity. Therefore you may have better luck when visiting other countries than at home.
As for European women looking better, well, one reason could be that the ugly, TV-addicted suburban masses in Western countries are having lots of ugly kids. In Europe maybe couples choose each other for looks and don't settle for the first frumpy chick or geek boi they meet at a BBQ.
As for European women looking better, well, one reason could be that the ugly, TV-addicted suburban masses in Western countries are having lots of ugly kids. In Europe maybe couples choose each other for looks and don't settle for the first frumpy chick or geek boi they meet at a BBQ.
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European women are more attractive and they are less inhibited, they lead free and enriched live and love to have fun. They are also more open to meeting guys and they are more open sexually. Personally I love European women and I find them a lot easier to talk to than American/Aussie women.
I recently went to both Europe and America and I can attest to what Wu says. He is a bit of a nerd so he is clueless about scoring in America but he is right on the money when he says American society is isolated and it is hard to meet women compared to Europe.
I like European women simply because they are a lot sexier and healthier in America HB8+ are found maybe 1 in 10 in Europe HB8+ are close to 7 in 10.
I recently went to both Europe and America and I can attest to what Wu says. He is a bit of a nerd so he is clueless about scoring in America but he is right on the money when he says American society is isolated and it is hard to meet women compared to Europe.
I like European women simply because they are a lot sexier and healthier in America HB8+ are found maybe 1 in 10 in Europe HB8+ are close to 7 in 10.
I can attest to the being more open part. When one of my teammates came from Poland at the beginning of her freshman year, I went to a football game with her and she was wearing those really short spandex volleyball-type shorts and a t-shirt. She had a nice booty so I wasn't really complaining, but given the circumstances I told my male teammate (also Polish) that she might want to put more on, but he said people are a lot more open about their bodies in Europe. So I guess that was that.
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Hi this is Winston, the author of that site. A reader here told me about this discussion. I don't know why my ebook or site is scary though. It' snot like I advocate any crime or anything. Sheesh. Get with it.
Here is my site index: www.geocities.com/wwu777us
By the way folks, check out these quotes:
What immigrants and foreigners say about America that you never hear in the US media
In reality, there are few redeeming qualities to living in America other than making money and consuming. Besides that, the rest is mostly fake and artificial. This is well known to many foreigners, immigrants and even some Americans. Here are their real life opinions and views, which are quite common, but don’t exist in the world of the mainstream US media. Instead, according to CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and other mainstream network news stations, ALL immigrants in America claim to have a better life here, with more freedom, and/or escaped from oppression in their home country. Opinions such as the ones here are censored out. Therefore, I want to try to bring balance to the media’s one-sided coverage and representation of immigrants’ views. These are their real life opinions, uncensored, honest, and profound.
What’s interesting here, and tickles my funny bone, is that these views are totally “out of the box”, going against everything we have been taught to think and believe, and what we are “supposed” to think and believe, yet they are so true nonetheless. It takes courage and insight to put something like this together, which goes against the grain and against the propaganda of the establishment, as a beacon of light, so that others who feel the same way know that they are not the only ones, and are not crazy. Instead, they are given words they couldn’t find to express how they feel. Refreshingly, many who read these quotes below exclaim in liberated delight, “Wow! I thought I was the only one who felt that way!”
Now, you might wonder why if so many immigrants in the US have such opinions, that they stay. Well the explanation is sad and simple. Humans have a propensity to get into a “comfort zone” even when they don’t like where they live, don’t fit into the culture, or become enlightened about it. If you have a daily routine set up, as long as there are some benefits of convenience, it’s easier to do nothing and just maintain it, than to make drastic changes to your life which could entail starting your life over from scratch. And of course, where one lives usually brings obligations into one’s life that are hard to break due to the aforementioned reasons. In addition, the immigrants often have family members (e.g. their children, spouses, or parents) who are settled in the US that further tie them there. So you see, the “if you don’t like it, then leave” mantra is much easier said than done.
First, a Russian girl from Moscow had this to say about moving to the USA:
“To be honest i don't like usa at all, i can move there but only if it is strongly needed (if i fall for an american). Many of my friends was there(with families or for student exchange Work&travel usa) and say something similar to: "they have no culture, but the money... money and nothing more is interesting for them", Doesnt sound inspiring..”
Next, an Asian American reader of my ebook gave his conclusion of life in America, similar to mine:
“Winston,
Interesting to read your writing on America....after 20 years living on the US, I gradually have come to a similar conclusion. Now I tend to see US as an extremely luxury prison, and experience life here as a shell, hollow with little content except if your life is all about making money or being fully committed to a career...
Regards,
*** ****
NJ”
And an African American man on my list exclaimed:
“You can tell most people in other parts of the world are more cultured and morally more disciplined than most Americans. Most Americans think possessing material wealth is being cultured, and that they are socially more superior than other races…What an ILLUSION in their mind!!... They unfortunately so believe their illusions they fail to realize they are dead WRONG! North America is good to live in if you like to acquire material wealth period! And that is good provided you do not loose your morals of human compassion and relations.”
Here’s what a Ukrainian American lady in the US observed about our culture’s valuation of everything by its productivity:
“There are many things that can be said about main stream American culture (or non-culture, I should say), but the bottom line is that it is a paper plate consumer focused culture ... All things are judged in value according to their "use" or productivity, and then thrown aside when they are used up or no longer producing ... Usually, the corporations decide what is to be valued, and the people, with blind faith and obedience, look to the corporate conglomerates' commercials and their commercial sponsored media for the answers to everything ...
There are no parents in America; there are only property owners. There are no children, spouses, partners, friends, or lovers; there is only property. Americans don't really have freedom or independence; they have dependence and bondage to their cars and other properties.”
Similarly, a Russian American male immigrant I know had this to say in response to my observation that US women are the least friendly to strangers and the most paranoid in the world.
“Hey Winston.
It is good you noticed the difference. But it is not only women it is all americans are very different. Americans have empty eyes. Even those people on TV. Because there is no soul in this country only money.“
Here are some examples of what he means: http://www.geocities.com/winstonstorage2/empty_eyes.jpg, http://www.geocities.com/winstonstorage2/sisters.jpg. It’s true as they say, that the “eyes are the window to the soul.” You can see empty, plastic eyes of money and illusion there. But you might not notice unless you have other populations to compare them to, such as those of another culture. And of course, if you are of the same kind as them, then you won’t see what I’m talking about either. Again, an “inner life” isn’t something that can be quantified or described with mere words. Those who have it know what it is. And those who don’t have one, can’t see one with a mere description.
Back in college, a Greek friend used to often tell me:
“Americans have no inner life. All they do is consume!”
He couldn’t be more right. Our lifestyle is one of perpetual consumption in excess. To see an obvious example of excess consumption in America, go to a typical home and look in the garage or basement, and notice the excess of things stored there that are never used, making moving a total pain in the ass. As ancient wisdom goes, too much of anything is never any good. But alas, there is little else to do in the routine of American life.
Even a beautiful Lithuanian girl gave her honest impression of the artificiality of the states:
“Hi Winston,
nice to hear u like lithuania and it's people! and yes, i live here most of the time, but i'm travelling a lot as well and this fall i'm leaving for half a year. i've spent two summers in the states as well, so i do understand why u liked lithuania or europe in all, i could never live in that country, honestly, i guess i'm just love europe too much and couldn't get used to that feeling that everything and everyone was so fake over there, sorry if my opinion about the states seems rude, but i'm just being honest
talk to u later, got many things to do!
take care,”
Later on, when I told her I was impressed that she knew the abbreviations of so many US states, which average Americans don’t even know, she replied with a great compliment to the average American:
“here, abbreviations is not a big deal, i've been to those states + i never use a criterion of what an "average american would/would not know" to decide if a person is smart- would be too many smart people in the world.”
Another Lithuanian girl described the hell and isolation she experienced when she stayed in the US for half a year:
“The longest period that I have spent abroad was like 6 months. I was in the states. Unfortunately (as most Americans would put it), I was in NJ this very little town called Stone Harbor. I don't think you would know it though. It was hell... being stuck in the middle of nowhere, with no wild nightlife....I still remember it as a worst nightmare.”
She also observed:
“So I am very sorry to say, but Americans are the most dumb nation. maybe it's not right to say so, cuz Americans are mixture of different nations, but let's say that the dumbest people of all nations gather there and no, I didn't mean to insult you, and sorry if I did.”
Here is my site index: www.geocities.com/wwu777us
By the way folks, check out these quotes:
What immigrants and foreigners say about America that you never hear in the US media
In reality, there are few redeeming qualities to living in America other than making money and consuming. Besides that, the rest is mostly fake and artificial. This is well known to many foreigners, immigrants and even some Americans. Here are their real life opinions and views, which are quite common, but don’t exist in the world of the mainstream US media. Instead, according to CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and other mainstream network news stations, ALL immigrants in America claim to have a better life here, with more freedom, and/or escaped from oppression in their home country. Opinions such as the ones here are censored out. Therefore, I want to try to bring balance to the media’s one-sided coverage and representation of immigrants’ views. These are their real life opinions, uncensored, honest, and profound.
What’s interesting here, and tickles my funny bone, is that these views are totally “out of the box”, going against everything we have been taught to think and believe, and what we are “supposed” to think and believe, yet they are so true nonetheless. It takes courage and insight to put something like this together, which goes against the grain and against the propaganda of the establishment, as a beacon of light, so that others who feel the same way know that they are not the only ones, and are not crazy. Instead, they are given words they couldn’t find to express how they feel. Refreshingly, many who read these quotes below exclaim in liberated delight, “Wow! I thought I was the only one who felt that way!”
Now, you might wonder why if so many immigrants in the US have such opinions, that they stay. Well the explanation is sad and simple. Humans have a propensity to get into a “comfort zone” even when they don’t like where they live, don’t fit into the culture, or become enlightened about it. If you have a daily routine set up, as long as there are some benefits of convenience, it’s easier to do nothing and just maintain it, than to make drastic changes to your life which could entail starting your life over from scratch. And of course, where one lives usually brings obligations into one’s life that are hard to break due to the aforementioned reasons. In addition, the immigrants often have family members (e.g. their children, spouses, or parents) who are settled in the US that further tie them there. So you see, the “if you don’t like it, then leave” mantra is much easier said than done.
First, a Russian girl from Moscow had this to say about moving to the USA:
“To be honest i don't like usa at all, i can move there but only if it is strongly needed (if i fall for an american). Many of my friends was there(with families or for student exchange Work&travel usa) and say something similar to: "they have no culture, but the money... money and nothing more is interesting for them", Doesnt sound inspiring..”
Next, an Asian American reader of my ebook gave his conclusion of life in America, similar to mine:
“Winston,
Interesting to read your writing on America....after 20 years living on the US, I gradually have come to a similar conclusion. Now I tend to see US as an extremely luxury prison, and experience life here as a shell, hollow with little content except if your life is all about making money or being fully committed to a career...
Regards,
*** ****
NJ”
And an African American man on my list exclaimed:
“You can tell most people in other parts of the world are more cultured and morally more disciplined than most Americans. Most Americans think possessing material wealth is being cultured, and that they are socially more superior than other races…What an ILLUSION in their mind!!... They unfortunately so believe their illusions they fail to realize they are dead WRONG! North America is good to live in if you like to acquire material wealth period! And that is good provided you do not loose your morals of human compassion and relations.”
Here’s what a Ukrainian American lady in the US observed about our culture’s valuation of everything by its productivity:
“There are many things that can be said about main stream American culture (or non-culture, I should say), but the bottom line is that it is a paper plate consumer focused culture ... All things are judged in value according to their "use" or productivity, and then thrown aside when they are used up or no longer producing ... Usually, the corporations decide what is to be valued, and the people, with blind faith and obedience, look to the corporate conglomerates' commercials and their commercial sponsored media for the answers to everything ...
There are no parents in America; there are only property owners. There are no children, spouses, partners, friends, or lovers; there is only property. Americans don't really have freedom or independence; they have dependence and bondage to their cars and other properties.”
Similarly, a Russian American male immigrant I know had this to say in response to my observation that US women are the least friendly to strangers and the most paranoid in the world.
“Hey Winston.
It is good you noticed the difference. But it is not only women it is all americans are very different. Americans have empty eyes. Even those people on TV. Because there is no soul in this country only money.“
Here are some examples of what he means: http://www.geocities.com/winstonstorage2/empty_eyes.jpg, http://www.geocities.com/winstonstorage2/sisters.jpg. It’s true as they say, that the “eyes are the window to the soul.” You can see empty, plastic eyes of money and illusion there. But you might not notice unless you have other populations to compare them to, such as those of another culture. And of course, if you are of the same kind as them, then you won’t see what I’m talking about either. Again, an “inner life” isn’t something that can be quantified or described with mere words. Those who have it know what it is. And those who don’t have one, can’t see one with a mere description.
Back in college, a Greek friend used to often tell me:
“Americans have no inner life. All they do is consume!”
He couldn’t be more right. Our lifestyle is one of perpetual consumption in excess. To see an obvious example of excess consumption in America, go to a typical home and look in the garage or basement, and notice the excess of things stored there that are never used, making moving a total pain in the ass. As ancient wisdom goes, too much of anything is never any good. But alas, there is little else to do in the routine of American life.
Even a beautiful Lithuanian girl gave her honest impression of the artificiality of the states:
“Hi Winston,
nice to hear u like lithuania and it's people! and yes, i live here most of the time, but i'm travelling a lot as well and this fall i'm leaving for half a year. i've spent two summers in the states as well, so i do understand why u liked lithuania or europe in all, i could never live in that country, honestly, i guess i'm just love europe too much and couldn't get used to that feeling that everything and everyone was so fake over there, sorry if my opinion about the states seems rude, but i'm just being honest
talk to u later, got many things to do!
take care,”
Later on, when I told her I was impressed that she knew the abbreviations of so many US states, which average Americans don’t even know, she replied with a great compliment to the average American:
“here, abbreviations is not a big deal, i've been to those states + i never use a criterion of what an "average american would/would not know" to decide if a person is smart- would be too many smart people in the world
.”Another Lithuanian girl described the hell and isolation she experienced when she stayed in the US for half a year:
“The longest period that I have spent abroad was like 6 months. I was in the states. Unfortunately (as most Americans would put it), I was in NJ this very little town called Stone Harbor. I don't think you would know it though. It was hell... being stuck in the middle of nowhere, with no wild nightlife....I still remember it as a worst nightmare.”
She also observed:
“So I am very sorry to say, but Americans are the most dumb nation. maybe it's not right to say so, cuz Americans are mixture of different nations, but let's say that the dumbest people of all nations gather there
and no, I didn't mean to insult you, and sorry if I did.”eurofile007
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In fact, the experience of foreign visitors being in the US can get so bad that they end up trying to erase their memory of it, as this Lithuanian girl vociferated to me:
“hi Winston,
first of all, sorry that i'll be a bit distant for a while, because i have exam session and don't have any time to write mails. still, i do hope u're not gonna find me rude, cause i don't wanna be, but please, do NOT SEND me anymore ANYTHING ABOUT THE STATES. i really don't wanna hear what people say/think/feel etc. about it. i have been there, have my own opinion and my feelings to it are not positive at all, therefore i'm trying to forget all that and delete it from my memory and sorry, but ur mails don't help me too much with that. i had some really bad experiences there and everytime u make me relive those bad emotions, what i have no wish to do. if people in the states are proud to be americans and think it's the best country in the world (when their knowledge of the world reach maximum 5 miles around their farms)-let it be, cool, i'm telling them: live and be happy ever after. i'm out from there. for long. PERIOD.
I hope u understand that i'm not saying "don't write me", i just don't wanna hear about usa anymore.”
Perceptions like in the above are a lot more common than you might think. I’ve heard many such views from US immigrants, foreigners, and Europeans. In fact, I’d estimate that about 80 to 90 percent of Europeans feel that way about our lifestyle.
These next few quotes are in regard to US workplace environments, where coworkers tend to politely tolerate each other without becoming real friends or bonding with each other. Not always of course, but more so compared to other countries. During lunch breaks, for example, most office workers tend to go off alone and do their own thing. If they go eat with someone, it’s usually with one or two coworkers to the exclusion of the rest. But in other countries, such as Greece for instance, coworkers eat together, cook together, and often the boss cooks for everyone too.
One reader noted to me:
“Dear Winston,
A late good friend of mine from Peru used to tell me "Americans are friendly but not your friend". He observed how in the U.S. one could work for years in a company and never be invited to a co-workers home. This was far different from Peru where people frequently visited each others homes and were very social outside of work. I found this intriguing. As you have said each society has its pluses and minuses. Hope you enjoy this. Take care.”
And an East Indian friend of mine concurred, saying:
“Yes, very. I agree with your late peruvian friend in that I've found for the most part, most American's have a friendly manner that may or may not reflect how they really feel.
So someone coming here from another country (say India ) would think they're the friendliest people in the world. I thought that too, when I walked out on the streets on my first day in the US and had total strangers smiling at me and saying "Hello, How do you do".....but I quickly realized that they were just 'being nice' and had no earthly interest in hearing my answer.
In India, it is rather different - people aren't as quick to smile and say hi, but they are much more likely to invite you home, or do other things that help cement friendships quicker than I've seen happen here in the US. I know that's generalizing, and I'm not an expert on cultural phenomena by any means, but there definitely is a discernable difference.
Just my .02”
A young Czech girl I met on a movie message board wrote her impression of America to me, which even though she’s never been there, is pretty darn accurate nevertheless:
“And about the states...well, when i was younger i thought it would be so cool to live there but then i grew up a little and i changed my mind. When somebody´s talking about americans i always imagine a fat man eating a BigMac, sitting in the cinema and laughing at the most stupid joke in the most stupid movie ever I know americans are not this way but i just can´t help myself I don´t want to judge usa until i can say i´ve been there cuz my view of usa is "made"(i don´t now better word mostly of films and documents and of what i read (and that´s not very probative). I just hate it when americans bless their ´´amazing´´ country and they can hardly find it on a map And I´m rather not talking about their knowledges of another countries...i just think americans should learn more about the world cuz they don´t know enough”
In regards to the international affairs of the US government abroad, even Canadians are more aware and informed about US foreign policy than Americans are. A Canadian family I stayed with verbally related something interesting to me, which I will do my best to paraphrase from memory:
“America seems to be composed of two separate worlds. On the one hand, you have the American population, which generally consists of good well-meaning people. But on the other, you have the US government which is actively involved in horrible acts abroad, such as exploiting others, overthrowing governments and regimes in the interest of corporate greed, and committing all kinds of crimes, which the mainstream American public is amazingly unaware of and oblivious to. In fact, the whole rest of the world seems to know more about what the American government is doing in the international scene than the American people do!”
In fact, one immigrant from Lithuania who came to the US to flee communism ended up writing a series of anti-US government and anti-capitalism essays, which though extreme are very intellectually articulate. He describes America as a plutocracy – government ruled by the wealthy. Here is his index site:
One of my readers observed the effect that our consumerist culture has on people:
“One thing I notice is that Americans, in general, are very narrow-minded people, who are absolutely not interested or curious about anything more mind stimulating than stupid soap operas and some dumb idol/reality shows... that is why very often they come off as being too anti-social. It's not that they are stuck up or conceited, its just very hard to engage anyone in anything interesting. And most of them, i find, are the ones who actually have a low self esteem, so as a cover up, they may come off as arrogant and anti-social....
I thought, the Soviet people were brainwashed. Now I am convinced that every big empire brainwashes its people. There is no other way around.”
I receive fan letters like the following on a regular basis:
“I came across your e-booklet on Why_I_am_Happier_in_Europe_Russia
I cannot express in words how impressed I am by your work and how accurate and true you are to yourself. I have lived in the US for the 13 years now, and I can't but agree with every single word you wrote. I am sure that many of my friends who have gone through the same experiences do also agree. America is the land of false promise, the land of moral and psychological depression. People in the US who think they're happy, are mostly so because they do not know any better.
Anyhow, I am working of relocating out of the US as soon as possible after reality of life has become crystal clear. No regrets, because life events have forced me into this direction, but now I say to myself: enough!
Congratulations again on a job well done!!!!!”
Like me, this Russian immigrant wondered if there was something wrong with him when he became disenchanted with America:
“Anyway, to cut a long story short, everything you wrote in your treatise is precisely to the point. I am a Russian who has lived in the States long enough to know. I came to the country expecting to find some flavor, as I had been able to do in France and Germany. Alas, what I ran into was a sea of blandness.
I took me a while to realize that there was a chasm of difference between the media picture of America and real life, but when the truth hit home, I felt very disappointed and empty. I even had a lapse of self-condemnation as I thought the problem was in me. I have gotten over it now and can see clearly. Your writing puts all the pieces of the puzzle together very well.”
And as I did, this Polish American also grew up slowly realizing the insanity and dysfunction of America:
“………… So, when I read over your posts its just like reading what I've known for years. When I was younger I was a very average American teenager until I went to high school and saw the insanity of America and the everyday mentality of my friends from middle school becoming that of their narrow-minded parents. Ever since I have grown to hate America more and more by the day. America lusts for money and greed, the whole system is anti-friendly and geared towards those who like to work to death, after all what is the point of life in America if you are not working? Anyways I will spare you the rest of the generalizations because I already mostly agree with what you wrote in your posts. American people are duped everyday by their popular culture and the people in power, keeping everyone servile……………… Just wanted to say hi and say I know your right and the rest is either uneducated or refuses to think deeply enough about the overall situation in the world.”
A Romanian immigrant wrote:
“hey, im a Romanian living in US for about 4 years, and i can't wait to go back and never come here again, this place makes me sick. Life here is EXACTLY how u described it, i skimmed through it but i will read it all later on tonight. Life in Europe its much more fun, and worth living there, people are more socializing . Keep up the good work.”
“hi Winston,
first of all, sorry that i'll be a bit distant for a while, because i have exam session and don't have any time to write mails. still, i do hope u're not gonna find me rude, cause i don't wanna be, but please, do NOT SEND me anymore ANYTHING ABOUT THE STATES. i really don't wanna hear what people say/think/feel etc. about it. i have been there, have my own opinion and my feelings to it are not positive at all, therefore i'm trying to forget all that and delete it from my memory and sorry, but ur mails don't help me too much with that. i had some really bad experiences there and everytime u make me relive those bad emotions, what i have no wish to do. if people in the states are proud to be americans and think it's the best country in the world (when their knowledge of the world reach maximum 5 miles around their farms)-let it be, cool, i'm telling them: live and be happy ever after. i'm out from there. for long. PERIOD.
I hope u understand that i'm not saying "don't write me", i just don't wanna hear about usa anymore.”
Perceptions like in the above are a lot more common than you might think. I’ve heard many such views from US immigrants, foreigners, and Europeans. In fact, I’d estimate that about 80 to 90 percent of Europeans feel that way about our lifestyle.
These next few quotes are in regard to US workplace environments, where coworkers tend to politely tolerate each other without becoming real friends or bonding with each other. Not always of course, but more so compared to other countries. During lunch breaks, for example, most office workers tend to go off alone and do their own thing. If they go eat with someone, it’s usually with one or two coworkers to the exclusion of the rest. But in other countries, such as Greece for instance, coworkers eat together, cook together, and often the boss cooks for everyone too.
One reader noted to me:
“Dear Winston,
A late good friend of mine from Peru used to tell me "Americans are friendly but not your friend". He observed how in the U.S. one could work for years in a company and never be invited to a co-workers home. This was far different from Peru where people frequently visited each others homes and were very social outside of work. I found this intriguing. As you have said each society has its pluses and minuses. Hope you enjoy this. Take care.”
And an East Indian friend of mine concurred, saying:
“Yes, very. I agree with your late peruvian friend in that I've found for the most part, most American's have a friendly manner that may or may not reflect how they really feel.
So someone coming here from another country (say India ) would think they're the friendliest people in the world. I thought that too, when I walked out on the streets on my first day in the US and had total strangers smiling at me and saying "Hello, How do you do".....but I quickly realized that they were just 'being nice' and had no earthly interest in hearing my answer.
In India, it is rather different - people aren't as quick to smile and say hi, but they are much more likely to invite you home, or do other things that help cement friendships quicker than I've seen happen here in the US. I know that's generalizing, and I'm not an expert on cultural phenomena by any means, but there definitely is a discernable difference.
Just my .02”
A young Czech girl I met on a movie message board wrote her impression of America to me, which even though she’s never been there, is pretty darn accurate nevertheless:
“And about the states...well, when i was younger i thought it would be so cool to live there but then i grew up a little and i changed my mind. When somebody´s talking about americans i always imagine a fat man eating a BigMac, sitting in the cinema and laughing at the most stupid joke in the most stupid movie ever
I know americans are not this way but i just can´t help myself I don´t want to judge usa until i can say i´ve been there cuz my view of usa is "made"(i don´t now better word mostly of films and documents and of what i read (and that´s not very probative). I just hate it when americans bless their ´´amazing´´ country and they can hardly find it on a map And I´m rather not talking about their knowledges of another countries...i just think americans should learn more about the world cuz they don´t know enough”In regards to the international affairs of the US government abroad, even Canadians are more aware and informed about US foreign policy than Americans are. A Canadian family I stayed with verbally related something interesting to me, which I will do my best to paraphrase from memory:
“America seems to be composed of two separate worlds. On the one hand, you have the American population, which generally consists of good well-meaning people. But on the other, you have the US government which is actively involved in horrible acts abroad, such as exploiting others, overthrowing governments and regimes in the interest of corporate greed, and committing all kinds of crimes, which the mainstream American public is amazingly unaware of and oblivious to. In fact, the whole rest of the world seems to know more about what the American government is doing in the international scene than the American people do!”
In fact, one immigrant from Lithuania who came to the US to flee communism ended up writing a series of anti-US government and anti-capitalism essays, which though extreme are very intellectually articulate. He describes America as a plutocracy – government ruled by the wealthy. Here is his index site:
One of my readers observed the effect that our consumerist culture has on people:
“One thing I notice is that Americans, in general, are very narrow-minded people, who are absolutely not interested or curious about anything more mind stimulating than stupid soap operas and some dumb idol/reality shows... that is why very often they come off as being too anti-social. It's not that they are stuck up or conceited, its just very hard to engage anyone in anything interesting. And most of them, i find, are the ones who actually have a low self esteem, so as a cover up, they may come off as arrogant and anti-social....
I thought, the Soviet people were brainwashed. Now I am convinced that every big empire brainwashes its people. There is no other way around.”
I receive fan letters like the following on a regular basis:
“I came across your e-booklet on Why_I_am_Happier_in_Europe_Russia
I cannot express in words how impressed I am by your work and how accurate and true you are to yourself. I have lived in the US for the 13 years now, and I can't but agree with every single word you wrote. I am sure that many of my friends who have gone through the same experiences do also agree. America is the land of false promise, the land of moral and psychological depression. People in the US who think they're happy, are mostly so because they do not know any better.
Anyhow, I am working of relocating out of the US as soon as possible after reality of life has become crystal clear. No regrets, because life events have forced me into this direction, but now I say to myself: enough!
Congratulations again on a job well done!!!!!”
Like me, this Russian immigrant wondered if there was something wrong with him when he became disenchanted with America:
“Anyway, to cut a long story short, everything you wrote in your treatise is precisely to the point. I am a Russian who has lived in the States long enough to know. I came to the country expecting to find some flavor, as I had been able to do in France and Germany. Alas, what I ran into was a sea of blandness.
I took me a while to realize that there was a chasm of difference between the media picture of America and real life, but when the truth hit home, I felt very disappointed and empty. I even had a lapse of self-condemnation as I thought the problem was in me. I have gotten over it now and can see clearly. Your writing puts all the pieces of the puzzle together very well.”
And as I did, this Polish American also grew up slowly realizing the insanity and dysfunction of America:
“………… So, when I read over your posts its just like reading what I've known for years. When I was younger I was a very average American teenager until I went to high school and saw the insanity of America and the everyday mentality of my friends from middle school becoming that of their narrow-minded parents. Ever since I have grown to hate America more and more by the day. America lusts for money and greed, the whole system is anti-friendly and geared towards those who like to work to death, after all what is the point of life in America if you are not working? Anyways I will spare you the rest of the generalizations because I already mostly agree with what you wrote in your posts. American people are duped everyday by their popular culture and the people in power, keeping everyone servile……………… Just wanted to say hi and say I know your right and the rest is either uneducated or refuses to think deeply enough about the overall situation in the world.”
A Romanian immigrant wrote:
“hey, im a Romanian living in US for about 4 years, and i can't wait to go back and never come here again, this place makes me sick. Life here is EXACTLY how u described it, i skimmed through it but i will read it all later on tonight. Life in Europe its much more fun, and worth living there, people are more socializing . Keep up the good work.”
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Winston I couldn't agree with you more I just spent 2 months in Europe and I bought some properties around there recently. I am from Australia (I am of Italian back ground) and I have found we are just like America in the sense that people are closed off and like to isolate themselves.
Is it possible to get your e-book in PDF format or as a download because your site is always down?
Are you in Europe now? If so which country?
Is it possible to get your e-book in PDF format or as a download because your site is always down?
Are you in Europe now? If so which country?