The absolute insanity of what's happening in the world right now

[samspade]

Being territorial is a good behavior. I don't know why we're even arguing this.

Agreed. Good for Ukraine for defending its territory against an invasion.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Agreed. Good for Ukraine for defending its territory against an invasion.

Ukraine was invaded a long time ago.

 

[samspade]

Ukraine was invaded a long time ago.

We're talking about what's happening right now.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Fair point, to what extent should a country be surrounded by weapons. However I don't think that's why Comrade Vlad went into Ukraine. Ukraine is energy-rich. All wars are about resources. We need more open trade, and fewer nutcases and corporate oligarchs running things, IMO.

Ukraine it's NOT energy rich. It's a net importer of energy resources. They have been getting Russian oil and gas at huge discounts for two decades. It's an "inconvenient" fact that is largely being ignored because it doesn't fit the "Russia bad" narrative, but Russia has been subsidizing the Ukrainian economy for a very long time. The conflict is Ukraine is not nearly as one-sided and black and white as the media would have you believe. It's a result of geopolitical developments that go back years or even decades.

 

[samspade]

Ukraine it's NOT energy rich. It's a net importer of energy resources. They have been getting Russian oil and gas at huge discounts for two decades. It's an "inconvenient" fact that is largely being ignored because it doesn't fit the "Russia bad" narrative, but Russia has been subsidizing the Ukrainian economy for a very long time. The conflict is Ukraine is not nearly as one-sided and black and white as the media would have you believe. It's a result of geopolitical developments that go back years or even decades.

I didn't know that about the energy. But I'm sure nobody's forcing Russia to subsidize Ukraine's energy.

So let's hear the other side of the story. Why did Russia feel justified to launch an invasion?

 

[Bokanovsky]

So let's hear the other side of the story. Why did Russia feel justified to launch an invasion?

In a word: NATO.

This is a pretty good explanation of what led to the Russia-Ukraine war.

Just before Russian invasion, University of Chicago political scientist John J. Mearsheimer blamed West for Ukraine crisis

Clashes in Kyiv in 2014 led to the ouster of Ukraine's pro-Russian president, sowing the seeds for the 2022 Russian invasion of the country.

www.straight.com

 

[samspade]

In a word: NATO.

This is a pretty good explanation of what led to the Russia-Ukraine war.

Just before Russian invasion, University of Chicago political scientist John J. Mearsheimer blamed West for Ukraine crisis

Clashes in Kyiv in 2014 led to the ouster of Ukraine's pro-Russian president, sowing the seeds for the 2022 Russian invasion of the country.

www.straight.com

Will give a read. Thanks.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

How many countries should we give to Putin?

Based on how poorly his forces have performed in Ukraine and the ineptitude of their strategy, Putin should just be happy with getting out of there with a win and not worrying about attacking vastly more competent forces like the US.

That win is going to be far more costly than he ever imagined, both in terms of economic costs due to sanctions and via allowing the rest of the world to see how incompetent Russian military commanders are.

 

[Bandolero]

Based on how poorly his forces have performed in Ukraine and the ineptitude of their strategy, Putin should just be happy with getting out of there with a win and not worrying about attacking vastly more competent forces like the US.

That win is going to be far more costly than he ever imagined, both in terms of economic costs due to sanctions and via allowing the rest of the world to see how incompetent Russian military commanders are.

I think it's more than clear ,that a war between any superpower would not be conventional.

Better Equipment,better forces and more soldiers don't mean much in this nuclear world .

 

[Von]

Because Ukraine chose the West, they deserve to be invaded? Insane.

Ukraine didnt chose the West... The West chose Ukraine.

Russian are 22% of the Ukraine pop
East of Ukraine is Russian populated and want dictatorship.
West of Ukraine is Ukrainian populated, with people supporting démocraty and nazi group (which are part of the gouvernement, they were sheltered in the 1950 in the USA to avoid Soviet assasination).

Crimea is Russian populated and has the Black Sea Russian fleet Naval base) which Russia lost direct land access due To Ukraine indépendance.

Crimea and part of Ukraine voted for indépendance and join Russia in 2014s, Ukraine army Attacked them and committed Génocides.

Today, Russian armies are applying the Ukrainian méthode to ukrainiens.

In 1994, Germany was allowed réunification in promise NATO would NEVER extend to Russia (Thus Ukraine).

In 2008, Georgia and Ukraine were invited To NATO.

European Union rejected Ukraine application for being corrupted-refusing To fight oligarchie and nazi groups. Russia sent à counter-offer.


Btw, remember Georgia where after a Coup-Detat the new PM was George w Bush best friend?

Following Georgia annexation, George W Bush friend is governor of odessa and paid 300 000$ US dollars to promote the American way of life in Ukraine.

Thé USA policies has been coup-d'etat To promote liberalism and bring ressources back home.

Thé military budget never went away after the SovietUnion collapse.

Russia has been a dictatorship for 500 years, and its leader Saïd: Lèave us alone.

Putin applies 20th century politics strategies: Buffer zone and réalism.

Putin Attack Ukraine? Yen, hé did order it..but the USA sure pushed him in the back.

So, what Will happen? Russia Will take the Russian land, push for a pipeline, and nato Will cercle the Kremlin more.

After all in 2008, USA did put nukes in poland.

Remove them, remove NATO and Russia Will pull back exactly like they pulled their Nuke out of Cuba after the USA removed their Nuke from Turkey (USA putted their Nukes first, starting the events of the cuban crisis)

Usa poke, Russia answer. Its 70years of history

 

[Zimbabwe]

Based on how poorly his forces have performed in Ukraine and the ineptitude of their strategy, Putin should just be happy with getting out of there with a win and not worrying about attacking vastly more competent forces like the US.

That win is going to be far more costly than he ever imagined, both in terms of economic costs due to sanctions and via allowing the rest of the world to see how incompetent Russian military commanders are.

What source do you have for this? You realise they banned all Russian media and have been using a massive amount of anti russian propoganda. Remember the Ghost of Kiev myth? Or the whole snake island thing which turned out to be false with none of them being killed?

The reality is, Russia is actually winning the war and Ukraine is ready to negotiate for peace.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The reality is, Russia is actually winning the war and Ukraine is ready to negotiate for peace.

Cool. Russia invaded a weaker country, caused a ton of senseless deaths, burned bridges with the entire developed world, and wrecked their own economy to do so. Congratulations.

 

[Von]

What source do you have for this? You realise they banned all Russian media and have been using a massive amount of anti russian propoganda. Remember the Ghost of Kiev myth? Or the whole snake island thing which turned out to be false with none of them being killed?

The reality is, Russia is actually winning the war and Ukraine is ready to negotiate for peace.

Russians never send their réal army in thé first place.

They sent recruits and conscript there To gain expérience and be used as a buffer in case NATO Attack.

Thé réal Russian army is in Russia on guard To counter-attack any NATO invasion.

Btw, i was surprised To find out Russia was 2nd exporter of Oil To thé USA right after Canada

 

[AureliusMaximus]

All I know is that there is two sides of a story and I'm not taking any sides because both are shiete.
Sleepy Joe is a warhawk too for example: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bidens-hawkish-record_b_214873 find more yourself here if you like: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=biden+warhawk&t=brave&ia=web and Vladimir Putana is real a$$hat too.

They are both playing the "world game of chess" in the big league and we are the pawns that suffer for their "fun game" of playing with tin soldiers.

Cui bono?

 

[EyeBRollin]

All I know is that there is two sides of a story and I'm not taking any sides because both are shiete.
Sleepy Joe is a warhawk too for example: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bidens-hawkish-record_b_214873 find more yourself here if you like: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=biden+warhawk&t=brave&ia=web and Vladimir Putana is real a$$hat too.

How is Sleepy Joe responsible for Russia invading Ukraine?

 

[Zimbabwe]

Cool. Russia invaded a weaker country, caused a ton of senseless deaths, burned bridges with the entire developed world, and wrecked their own economy to do so. Congratulations.

Didn't america go into trillions of debt for invading iraq and afghanistan?

 

[AureliusMaximus]

invading iraq and afghanistan?

USA built and funded Saddam Hussain's army in the 80tes (To counter weight the loss of Iran and the Iran/Iraq war) and then later did the exactly same with the afghan warriors (The Taliban to counterweight Soviets' invasion of the latter), that then later became ISIS. The irony is to laugh, die and cry for on the same time.

Didn't america go into trillions of debt

They were already in trillions of national debt back then, they just printed more money, just like Sleepy Joe does now. USA has been technically bankrupt for many years by now and he only reason they do not default is because the US dollar is the world reserve currency.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Didn't america go into trillions of debt for invading iraq and afghanistan?

How’s the Ruble doing?

USA has been technically bankrupt for many years by now and he only reason they do not default is because the US dollar is the world reserve currency.

Wrong.

 

[Zimbabwe]

How’s the Ruble doing?

Once the saudis drop the dollar and adopt the Yuan, you're about to eating your words. The US dollar is artificially propped up by the Saudi Petrol sales.

USA built and founded Saddam Hussain's army in the 80tes (To counter weight the loss of Iran and the Iran/Iraq war) and then later did the exactly same with the afghan warriors (The Taliban to counterweight Soviets' invasion of the latter) )that then later became ISIS. The irony is to laugh and cry for.

It's also thanks to them we had the massive refugee crisis in Europe. America destabilised north africa and the middle east and left Europe to clean up It's mess.

They were already in trillions of national debt back then, they just printed more money, just like Sleepy Joe does now. USA has been technically bankrupt for many years by now and he only reason they do not

Which will end when the Saudis drop the dollar this year. The balance if power is shifting.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

It's also thanks to them we had the massive refugee crisis in Europe

Well from what I read/heard is that Hillary Clinton had this bright idea to remove Libya's Muammar Gaddafi from power (the reason behind this is access to/control over Libya's oil I guess?), which ironically had made a deal with EU to patrol the Mediterranean Sea to stop all refuges to ever reach Europe (EU was paying him/Libya for that), and once Hillary executed her brilliant plan we got flooded here in Europe because there was no longer anyone to stop them. Instead we had the Arabian spring which pretty much went to south for everyone in the end and didn't change much in the middle east countries. But oh boy how it did change for us in EU with the massive flood of illegal immigrants.

So thanks for that.. The irony is complete.