Mystery's show on VH1 [Merged Threads]

[Jariel]

My thoughts...

Mystery never really proved his skills - except for pulling a woman in a club, but it doesn't take a PUA to do that. Why couldn't he show us his skills in daylight or perform some of the tasks he set for the contestants?

He taught the guys loads of canned material, but couldn't teach them to be men. I mean, what a bunch of cry babies and drama queens!

One day they have crippling nervousness and panic attacks, the next day it's all gone as if by magic?! Panic attacks don't just disappear like that and nervousness takes a long time to overcome. I was not convinced these guys were the losers they claimed to be.

The best looking guy with the best physique won. The second best looking guy came second.

They referred to pool parties, limosines and portrayed themselves as rich, so they're going to attract gold diggers if nothing else.

They had nothing left after their canned routines ran out. They still seemed socially inept and didn't even know the meaning of the word "charisma".

The show was about transforming geeks into PUAs, but those who had trouble were eliminated. In other words, Mystery didn't convert the geeks afterall.

It was clearly a big marketing campaign.

Mystery seems like a likeable chap and he does have a lot of confidence about him, to give him his dues. But he appeared better at seducing vulnerable young men than women.

It was a great show as far as entertainment goes and there was some decent advice for beginners, but it wasn't very convincing overall.

 

[Reyaj]

My thoughts...

Mystery never really proved his skills - except for pulling a woman in a club, but it doesn't take a PUA to do that. Why couldn't he show us his skills in daylight or perform some of the tasks he set for the contestants?

He taught the guys loads of canned material, but couldn't teach them to be men. I mean, what a bunch of cry babies and drama queens!

One day they have crippling nervousness and panic attacks, the next day it's all gone as if by magic?! Panic attacks don't just disappear like that and nervousness takes a long time to overcome. I was not convinced these guys were the losers they claimed to be.

The best looking guy with the best physique won. The second best looking guy came second.

They referred to pool parties, limosines and portrayed themselves as rich, so they're going to attract gold diggers if nothing else.

They had nothing left after their canned routines ran out. They still seemed socially inept and didn't even know the meaning of the word "charisma".

The show was about transforming geeks into PUAs, but those who had trouble were eliminated. In other words, Mystery didn't convert the geeks afterall.

It was clearly a big marketing campaign.

Mystery seems like a likeable chap and he does have a lot of confidence about him, to give him his dues. But he appeared better at seducing vulnerable young men than women.

It was a great show as far as entertainment goes and there was some decent advice for beginners, but it wasn't very convincing overall.

Right on man. Plus it was false.. didn't you see the thread in the anything else forum? The participants were not who they said they were. Some were even actors!

 

[Mad Manic]

Yeah, picking up a stripper who was like a 7 at best and using a Limo as a gimmick to get her is not exactly a success.

Strippers are low-life scum who will f*** anyone who they think they can get something out of.

If I or anyone here went to a strip club and told 10 strippers I had a Limo outside and asked them to go "party" in the Limo, I bet half of them would go outside with any of one of you because they think there will be drugs and/or money in it for them.

You think if Brady rode the bus to the strip club that night that stripper would have left with him?

We all know the answer to that question.

The reason I "bash" the Mystery Method is because it will actually prevent people from progressing in the long run, and it is based on false opinion openers, false DHV, false time constraints, false this, false that.

What kind of relationship will you build and/or have with a woman when your first interaction with her is based on lies and bull$#!T?

The original purpose of this forum was to become a "DJ"

Do any of you remember what that actually meant?

If not, do some research and find out what the original mission statement was of this forum and what it means to be a "DJ"

I can tell you that it does NOT mean using gimmicks and tricks and lies to pickup women.

The best "guru" is yourself, not some guy who wants 3K for a bootcamp to teach you to lie to women and use gimmicks that 100,000 other guys are using.

Every hot chick has had some aspiring PUA demonstrate "The Cube" on her at least half a dozen times.

Or have been asked for a "female opinion" and that "they only have a minute"

My point is that there are higher levels beyond MM, but some people will settle for what they get out of MM, which is much more than they've ever had, but the MM is just an illusion.

Why do you think Mystery himself has a long history of failed relationships and pickups up and f***s women for self-validation?

Did you read Style's book and how Mystery was suicidal over a breakup?

Sounds pretty AFC to me.

Mystery is a good guy. I've met him and talked with him and I like the guy, I really do, but his method is very shallow and will attract shallow, insecure women and will leave most guys unfulfilled, unless they just want shallow, insecure women who they will also get validation from.

And those shallow, insecure women will also drop you the minute something they think is better comes along, much like what happens to Mystery time after time, because his method teaches you how to attract women using gimmicks, but the flaw with the MM is that once the women see past the gimmicks, they realize that it's all style and very little substance and they move on.

And the fact that using MM, none of the guys on his show did more than makeout with I think 2 girls, one a 6.5 and one a 7, and that's being generous shows that MM isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

Even after all this hands on training by Mystery and his crew, none of these guys pulled any HB's or any girls at all. And no, it's not because I want to see nudity or porno, it's I wanted to see the results of the great Mystery Method. Well, we saw the results and they weren't impressive to say the least. Not at all, unless you call a couple of makeouts with a couple of girls most of us wouldn't even give the time of day a success.

I'm not hating on Mystery, but I do know that there are much more fulfilling ways to achieve the desired end result then using the MM, and that the MM was a spectacular failure on National TV despite the fact that the students got hands on training from Mystery, Matador and J-Dog.

Training which would cost thousands of dollars and for what? A couple of makeouts with a couple of average looking girls?

The end results says it all. Anyone who could defend the MM after that embarrassment is either a starstruck fanboy or a shill for the MM

In a short period of time those guys have gone from being unable to approach women to being able to approach women, talk to them and pull them. If you were ever in the position of being a complete wreck with women, you'd realise that it's actually a huge improvement given the time frame. However, I agree that you don't need MM to gain these improvements. I'd advise approaching, building social skills etc. moreso.

 

[Mad Manic]

How the hell do you know Mystery is a top PUA???????????????? Have you ever seen him hook up with a hot chick that wasn't scripted? Show me some proof before you go endorsing this guy as the biggest pimp ever.

Personally he looks like a tranvestite and I don't think he could score hotties for ****. Show me proof!@

Well there's a few vids of him on Youtube in field and personally I thought they were brilliant. There's one where he plows through ****-tests and another where this hot blonde is putty in his hands.

I don't believe it because of this, although it helps, but I do believe that he's great with women because I don't think he'd get away with all the money/fame he's had if he couldn't pick up most women he approaches.

Besides, if Mystery did go around demonstrating his skills in the shows, I don't think it would be in good taste, would be kinda like bragging etc. on national television rather than a show about helping men.

 

[Firepower]

VH-1 is a joke - programming "100 Biggest Celebrity Fart Jokes" and "Britney's Top Ten Queefs" crap. Its programming is tailored strictly toward females - like E! with occasional references to "music." Informing Men wasn't the objective: titilating females possessing a misplaced sense of social superiority, was.

It was sloppily constructed, throwaway TV. It took me too long to figure out Matador wasn't just Mystery's pool boy. Then I had to explain to a dense hb9 that the silent, anonymous blond guy with the big honker was not in fact an imprisoned ghost left over from the stereotypical Gigantic Mansion, who just happend to be an apparition caught by high tech infrared cameras.

Putting those AFCs under the gun in some crazy concept of a Reality Show was to make it non-threatening to the girlies; real heartwarming, happyending, stock TV stuff full of AFC cannon fodder.

Those poor bastids did more kino on each other than on a single set of XX chromosomes.

Can't wait until TPUA II comes out and ruins more openers

 

[speakeasy]

Is Mystery's show coming back?

For another season or was it a one time deal?

 

[navyseal2101]

Should be season 2 I think.

 

[Derek Flint]

Again, I don't hate Mystery. I just think his Method is crap. Might be OK for newbies, but not Intermediate/Advanced guys, or guys who want to be real.

Like I said, much of MM is based on false opinion openers, false time constraints, false this, false that.

Think about that and what it says about the person that uses such "techniques"

I'm not about attracting women thru fraudulent means. Or putting others down to raise my own value. (Negs) Nor do I need to. Or dressing like some kind of deranged faggot. (Peacocking) I can dress in whatever I feel like and attract women thru my words and actions, not by wearing some garish outfit that will draw attention, both positive and negative.


I'll say it again, get your life together and the "women" part will take care of itself.

Become "High Value" instead of creating the illusion of High Value.

Mystery = Illusionist.

MM = giving the illusion that you are HV

Most of these "methods" are just addressing the symptom, not the cause.

Until the cause is addressed and fixed, these methods such as MM are nothing more than a band - aid.

I'll close it out with this quote I read on another board:

"Many gurus build their online reputation on make believe reports and blatant lies. They are worshiped by flocks of naive virgin newbies who project their fantasies on their beloved gurus and consider them godlike creatures while they are nothing but shameless marketers and self-promoters.

Seduction has become a lucrative business so keep your common sense and don't believe the hype."

Everyone wants to believe that there is a "Magic Bullet" out there that is a fix -all and will get them all kinds of women.

Guess what? There isn't one.

Just like there is no magic pill to lose weight, or make your d*** bigger or anything else.

You want to be good with women, with life?

Get your s*** together, and become a Man of High Value.

Yeah, it's hard work and takes time and effort, but it is the closest thing to a "magic bullet" out there.

There are no shortcuts in life.

 

[Tyron]

Won't affect at all. Don't study material and believe it's the end of all things. Canned lines and routines are bad. It's like studying mathematics, as long as you only study the formulas you are always behind. (sure they get the job done and never get old. nevertheless) The minute you write your own formulas you are among the best. Publicity of these methods is going to affect those who can't adopt. The best will adopt and there'll be no change, they'll still get the girls.

 

[synergy1]

There are no shortcuts in life.

For the interest of space I truncated your post. I have been routinely watching this show and reading the book, ' the game' and am certainly interested in the Method. That said, I defiantly am in agreement with you. I despise the free lunch; nothing great comes at no cost. What I do get out of the method are the ideals one must build upon in order to be successful. The MM has merits which hold true to any successful person. Be interesting, be someone who is networked, be someone who has funny stories to tell. There really is nothing new here. What mystery does well is present it and make it seem tangible for guys who basically have no lives.

I like MM, and certainly adapted certain aspects into my own game, but it hardly is the be all, end all of picking up girls.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

For the interest of space I truncated your post. I have been routinely watching this show and reading the book, ' the game' and am certainly interested in the Method. ...

"The Game" doesn't do MM justice IMO. It's a good story but it barely scratches the surface, kinda like the show.

 

[Martin Shabazz Jr.]

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I'll say it again, get your life together and the "women" part will take care of itself.
...

Except there are countless cases of guys having their lives together(not that hard) and still not getting any.

Your advice is the same advice all of us have heard our entire lives from our elders and peers. If you are going to endlessly criticize Mystery and his method at least provide a decent alternative.

 

[Derek Flint]

Except there are countless cases of guys having their lives together(not that hard) and still not getting any.

Your advice is the same advice all of us have heard our entire lives from our elders and peers. If you are going to endlessly criticize Mystery and his method at least provide a decent alternative.

Easy - don't focus on learning seduction. Instead, learn to become the type of Man who seduces women.

I pointed out alternatives, such as becoming High Value as opposed to giving the illusion of being High Value with gimmicks and tricks, and putting others down to raise your value.

Why did Mystery attempt suicide after his breakup with the girl in Style's book?

Because his method is about tactics and techniques and does nothing or very little for inner game. Mystery is still an AFC, but an AFC with game.

In the long run, MM will stunt your development as a DJ (anyone remember the mission of this forum?) because you don't grow as a person when you're dependent on tricks and tactics and false this and false that.