I went away for about 3 months, really focused on my physical self and business. Those things are going very well. I think I just give up at this point on dating at age 52. I’m going to go back to escorts as it is easier, way less headache and I get what I want
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Yup. Dating still sucks
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Bullbearpig
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If you can afford it it's definitely the way to go.
Yes I can afford it. Money aside women aren’t worth the effort. It’s like this crazy game where you have to say the right things at the right time in the right way and if all the stars align then you’ll be a happy boy.
With escorts I don’t have to jump through any freaking hoops or anything and I don’t have to hear them babble on about their mother or the job they hate or whatever.
With escorts I don’t have to jump through any freaking hoops or anything and I don’t have to hear them babble on about their mother or the job they hate or whatever.
Some of my associates who are well heeled and good looking are into high priced escorts, those with good educational backgrounds and with good degrees.
And I do understand why from their perspective, it's suited for those those who are considered intellectuals, passive men.
Most of them are married whilst very few are divorced and don't need nor want the emotional attachments.
Side note: I have on occasions hired some to entertain clients when I'm in a certain country, there's benefits in that sense too.
And I do understand why from their perspective, it's suited for those those who are considered intellectuals, passive men.
Most of them are married whilst very few are divorced and don't need nor want the emotional attachments.
Side note: I have on occasions hired some to entertain clients when I'm in a certain country, there's benefits in that sense too.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
DEEZEDBRAH
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OP, if you're this eager to give up, you should really get your testosterone checked.
he said he is not willing to put up with crap, no not wanting sex
sometimes having a time when you don't waste time with dating is a good way to get your mind in peace and getting ready to try again, as long you are alive and going out you will find a girl you will like and the thing will start again, if your mind is just I need a girlfriend or I seek a LTR then things will never go well, when you get the mind of I want to have fun with her, now that is the moment you will go right
RickTheToad
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This is why I think some dudes just waive the white flag and settle instead of continuing on dating new ladies.
I think the older women get the more red flags they have, whereas men tend to lower their red flag detectors the older they get if they’re still single.
Machine10033
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OP I don’t know the age bracket your going for but past 30 there are serious fcking issues with females. It’s so toxic It makes me nauseous to think about. When that special little princess pops out a few kids... runs off every decent man she had your staring right into a psychotic abyss of desperation and manipulation. I would try going younger. My one buddy is 55 and still pulls prime ass. It’s funny because every chick over 30 says he’s the biggest scumbag around and most cucks in my area but the guy is loving life!
I always said when I can’t pull under 30 anymore it’s high end escorts.... I get where your coming from.
I always said when I can’t pull under 30 anymore it’s high end escorts.... I get where your coming from.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Never sure y anyone bothers with escorts. Cheaper to rub one out. Dating s more about being social. Being able to encourage and discourage conversational topics and spike their emotions is part of the skillset.
You are right most dates are s*** but you can turn them around. And they shouldn't be over an hour anyway. If she s dtf make the move
You are right most dates are s*** but you can turn them around. And they shouldn't be over an hour anyway. If she s dtf make the move
So much truth! I can count on one hand how many sane women I know over 30 and I’ll have some fingers left over.
I just started T injections a month ago. My levels were extremely low
Thank you everyone. Glad to know it doesn’t suck for just me. And yes I would say Everywoman over 35 is freaking crazy. Lots of problems and issues. And they think they’re so wonderful and take no accountability for nothing. And whoever told women to make men chase after them should die a very slow and painful death!
RickTheToad
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Stop caring so much. That would help a lot.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Oh I don’t care near as much as I used to.
RickTheToad
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The one who cares the least is the one who has the power and control. In the past, when I cared more, the lady lost interest. When I couldn't care less if they stayed, prayed or got laid, they cared more. Just go out to a local bar, hang out joint or happy hour, chat up with a few people or the bartenders and you'll be in beast mode in no time. It just takes some practice.
EyeOnThePrize
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When things are going well women won't seem like effort. When things are going extremely well you'll be beating them off with a stick. You'll be so high on your own life that it won't matter whether a woman is with you or not. It sounds like your social circle and social acuity is crap, otherwise engaging women wouldn't feel like a chore. If going out and being social feels like a chore then ask yourself why. Engaging people and especially women you find attractive should be a relaxing and fun thing to do. Most likely you're not happy with yourself and when you talk to women you're not prepared to dismiss them and go after what you want, which would be women with higher interest. Why not go out a couple times a month and work on simple social engagement? Get some fresh rejection so you start to realize it makes absolutely no difference and brushing it off is a sport of its own. Over time you'll learn to calibrate yourself to your environment effectively to the point that you're pretty fun to be around. It sounds like you take pretty seriously and probably get escorts as an outlet for your frustration.
Once you don't care about rejection you'll have nice big balls that women can respect. If she tries to make you jump through hoops you'll make a joke out of it, ignore it completely, or dismiss her. Not out of spite, but because you're simply not interested in playing to her frame for some puussy. You won't take her tests seriously because you'll understand another woman is right around the corner. That playfulness and self respect is attractive. Your sense of abundance or scarcity are a self fulfilling prophecy. So focus on fostering abundance.
DEEZEDBRAH
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Inability to compete is a tell tale sign. You should feel better soon.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.