"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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You're a DJ however women are concerned that you may be a player; suggestions?

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KarmaSutra said:
That made me laugh. I'll have your geritol and fibercon ready. Mom will be home to wash your ass and put baby powder on your crack so you don't dry out.

The haitian bed nurse you ordered is here too.

Love ya
Y'know, your eloquence (rather lack of) is amusing. And your knowledge of all things ACF and and childish is astounding. Which brings up another thing, your screen name. We all know that you only picked up that book to look at the pictures. Don't worry, one day mom and I will read it to you, but we'll need to somehow unstick the pages. We should have known what you were doing when you stole it and snuck off into the bathroom. :nono:
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Y'know, your eloquence (rather lack of) is amusing. And your knowledge of all things ACF and and childish is astounding. Which brings up another thing, your screen name. We all know that you only picked up that book to look at the pictures. Don't worry, one day mom and I will read it to you, but we'll need to somehow unstick the pages. We should have known what you were doing when you stole it and snuck off into the bathroom. :nono:
Geez, it says quite a bit about your mental acumen when you accuse me of being "ACF(?)" . . . You dyslexic horses ass.

The fact that you don't know the difference between the Kama Sutra and my screenname being, read it carefully, KARMASUTRA speaks volumes. Aside from the geritol and metamucil you need to take something for anxiety. I seem to get you all worked up Pappy :crackup:

You're such a tool. But still the oldest and coolest tool I've ever beat down. :D
 

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hmm... thank you guys for giving a newbie like me ideas for bad neghits :)
 

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If indeed it is a false accusation, joke about it at first, then turn it around by questioning her.

I like one David Deangelo answer, which was to the effect of: "Why certainly: I play basketball, baseball, billiards, football, card games, and even some golf..."

Then say "... but, levity aside, what gives you that idea?"

Then enjoy watching her backpedal...
 

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HAHAHA That was one of the best flamefests that I've read online in a long time. :cheer: Both you guys are pretty witty. I think Karmasutra pulled it out in the 10th round with the whole name thing though. :box: I like that ''Karma'' Sutra: What goes around comes back around again. No girl on this planet feels bad about LJBFing you or rejecting your ass in a club. So don't feel bad about playing a chick when you finally have one eating out of your hand. Do it for the team.........
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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My gf was worried I was a player, but the only negative consequence was that she made me wait 24 hours longer than we'd have liked to get in her panties. But that is indicative of how if a woman truly believes you are the super-high value jackpot prize she might raise her anti-slvt defence shield higher than she might with a man she might be willing to have a meaningless one night stand with.

We'd all rather use than be used, and the hottie is no exception. She is used to having the power over those that would tend her garden, and the player threatens to reverse that scenario and leave her dependent on his interest.

Faced with this danger the babe may become more defensive, suspicious and shyt-test quickly and without mercy. You should charm and disarm, and reframe to qualify her, as The Bible would advise, but that doubt is going to remain.

To get a quick fvck it's possible to keep the anti-slvt defences down long enough to isolate, but you may find that you will have to field more tests, principally on your confidence and integrity. She does not want to waste time on a fake player who is flat-out lying about everything.

But of course, if she likes you she's going to make it pretty easy.

My answer to the question 'are you a player' would be "'Player' is a loaded term. My default position is that I'm a single guy out to have fun, but if the right woman comes along and makes me an offer I can't refuse, cool."
 

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Geez, it says quite a bit about your mental acumen when you accuse me of being "ACF(?)" . . .
Just to make things clear, it wasn't an accusation. It's a well known fact that you regularly substantiate whenever you post.
 

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If indeed it is a false accusation, joke about it at first, then turn it around by questioning her.

I like one David Deangelo answer, which was to the effect of: "Why certainly: I play basketball, baseball, billiards, football, card games, and even some golf..."

Then say "... but, levity aside, what gives you that idea?"

Then enjoy watching her backpedal...
This is exactly what I do, make it a non issue. But it seems that in recent years more and more women are getting screwed over by a player's 'hit and run' game that they suspect everyone. Some may think that these women are Feminazi man haters but they're not. They just seem really frightened.
 

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HAHAHA That was one of the best flamefests that I've read online in a long time. :cheer: Both you guys are pretty witty. I think Karmasutra pulled it out in the 10th round with the whole name thing though. :box: I like that ''Karma'' Sutra: What goes around comes back around again. No girl on this planet feels bad about LJBFing you or rejecting your ass in a club. So don't feel bad about playing a chick when you finally have one eating out of your hand. Do it for the team.........
Perhaps, but he just needs a name to help remind him of those unfulfilled dreams of his. But none the less, I was due for a flame war, the last guy got banned. Sparring with mental midgets does allow me to be a bit more creative though. ;)
 

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...Faced with this danger the babe may become more defensive, suspicious and shyt-test quickly and without mercy. You should charm and disarm, and reframe to qualify her, as The Bible would advise, but that doubt is going to remain.

To get a quick fvck it's possible to keep the anti-slvt defences down long enough to isolate, but you may find that you will have to field more tests, principally on your confidence and integrity. She does not want to waste time on a fake player who is flat-out lying about everything.

But of course, if she likes you she's going to make it pretty easy.

My answer to the question 'are you a player' would be "'Player' is a loaded term. My default position is that I'm a single guy out to have fun, but if the right woman comes along and makes me an offer I can't refuse, cool."
All of this is textbook and it does work. I'm just noticing that women are now suspecting everyone. I'm wondering if its been because of a ton of guys spitting lines from "The Game" and women are expecting to get played.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I'm sure they are frightened. I suppose it is a helluva dilemma for them, Francisco. They're attracted enough to want to hit it soon, but the only way they can find out the answer to their question is over time, seeing how you treat people in day-to-day life. I'd say focus on rapport and treat such a gal more as a friend, without suppressing your sexuality, if you catch my drift. The more concern she sees you have for her as a person, the less concerned I'd expect her to be about your intentions. But even then, they're aware a guy can put on a good front for a while.
 

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I'm sure they are frightened. I suppose it is a helluva dilemma for them, Francisco. They're attracted enough to want to hit it soon, but the only way they can find out the answer to their question is over time, seeing how you treat people in day-to-day life. I'd say focus on rapport and treat such a gal more as a friend, without suppressing your sexuality, if you catch my drift. The more concern she sees you have for her as a person, the less concerned I'd expect her to be about your intentions. But even then, they're aware a guy can put on a good front for a while.
This is true. I have noticed that if I flirting with them and giving modest kino they stay interested. Sometimes I've had to keep it at that state for three or four meetings before progressing it to something a bit more intense. But you're right, it's not until after they see me interact with other people. That's when they realize that I flirt with everyone. ;)
 

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~~~ chuckling ~~~
 

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When a girl brings up the question of wether or not you're a player, it's usually because you've been able to press her buttons very easily and this is her way of logically making sense of what she's been feeling. You seem too good so you MUST be a player.

Here's what i do, and this all depends on how much I'm into the girl. If I'm just casually dating her and don't see myself getting too serious, I'll play it off and joke about it... Use the whole ****y/funny thing and make her feel foolish for ever even thinking such things about me. It turns the situation around into where she feels bad and wants to make me forget she ever distrusted me.

now, if I'm REALLY into her (I just met this really amazing girl recently, and we've really hit it off and of course, this discussion came up.), here's what I'll do.

I'll be honest, but vague. Not in the fact that i'm a player (I'm not, but they always suspect it) but i'll be honest that I've had my fair share of women without ever giving any sepcifics or any real numbers. It's all assumed in the conversation; and this can work to your advantage if you can word things in a way that is fact-based and not like you're trying to brag about all the chicks you've banged. Stories and little snippets of past GFs work well.

If she starts to distrust you just keep doing what you've been doing but also regain her trust with little things. She won't doubt you for very long, if you can keep coming back to rock her world. Once she realizes you're gonna be in this for the long haul, she'll stop thinking your a player.
 
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