"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Your style of game?

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Do you consider your self a player. Or a PUA? Which style of game do you use and why?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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A "player"? I have only heard that term used in Hollywood productions and once when I was at a KFC.
 

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Don't really think theres considerable distinctions. Some PUAs starting out may use scripted canned material, mPUA's naturally do not need to use scripted stuff after a while. Where as the Player-types may use rico-suave game. I'd pick the former if I'll be honest, but "Natural" game is the best. You don't need to put on an "act" that you're a player or a PUA. Just having the abundance alone will make women think you're a wanted man, not a "Player". You can't get spotted out being Natural, being the player or being the PUA, afterwhile women will call your bluff if you haven't got it stitched up.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Nino-Tk said:
I consider myself as a man on the path of Dj.
And what is that? If you dont mind me asking
 

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My game involves adapting to my surroundings and the times. Not only by location, but also in society. My game involves sleeping with as many woman as I can with no remorse what-so-ever, and to never buy into the "love" or "marriage" myth.
 

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@ scar
I don't think that's your game, i think its your dream

it doesn't sound much fun to me dude and this is coming from a guy.
why can't guys just try to commit to just 1 woman instead they feel that they must show how strong their game is or how much of a boss they are. Girls are not really like this but they are some just likes to mess with other guys heads and i really hate chicks like that

If it is true that, that's your game i am afraid to say that if u keep living your life that way, u be sad and alone, your not getting any younger u know and believe u will fall defeat to the myth of marriage when u reach a certain age.
 

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Scars, you get first dibs on schooling freshprince.

As for style of game, I have never run routines or patterns but I "practiced" confidence and C&F a lot, eventually it was just there, an integral part of myself.

In the right situation I love the limelight, I can hold an audience of 30 at work, unscripted, no props, no powerpoint, for half an hour, goddamn it's a thrill. I owe that largely to everything I learned in 'the scene'.

My online game is very strong, I have neglected my day-game and bar-game a bit although I found it carried over more than I expected. I'd like to do more cold approaches.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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freshprince said:
@ scar
I don't think that's your game, i think its your dream

it doesn't sound much fun to me dude and this is coming from a guy.
why can't guys just try to commit to just 1 woman instead they feel that they must show how strong their game is or how much of a boss they are. Girls are not really like this but they are some just likes to mess with other guys heads and i really hate chicks like that

If it is true that, that's your game i am afraid to say that if u keep living your life that way, u be sad and alone, your not getting any younger u know and believe u will fall defeat to the myth of marriage when u reach a certain age.
Wait I thought this site was about becoming a dj a ladies man? You can't do that by having one woman or girlfriend that's a dater, and I didn't know this was a daters site.
 

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who ever said it was a daters site...lol and i don't need schooling, i have no trouble with meeting women...seriously!, the only thing i would say i need to work on is my listening skills and picking up on key topics to talk about during conversations
 

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freshprince said:
who ever said it was a daters site...lol and i don't need schooling, i have no trouble with meeting women...seriously!, the only thing i would say i need to work on is my listening skills and picking up on key topics to talk about during conversations
I was mistaken then, what is this site?
 

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joe henny said:
Wait I thought this site was about becoming a dj a ladies man? You can't do that by having one woman or girlfriend that's a dater, and I didn't know this was a daters site.
This site is more about turning weak men into real men and keeping them that way. Being a man means having control over your dating life. That's a PART of the equation. But I wouldn't call this site a "dating" or "player's" site.

What you do with your dating life is up to you. If you go out tomorrow, meet some girl you like, and decide to keep her around, I'm not gonna diss you for it.

All this "player" and "PUA" titles you're trying to label people with: it's corny. You are who you are. If you need some gay title to define yourself to the world, then you're already losing.

I go out on weekends. I get girls. I don't know if it makes me a "player" or a "PUA" or a "ABCDEFG" because I'm a grown man and I don't think about that s**t.
 

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Mantis Toboggan said:
This site is more about turning weak men into real men and keeping them that way. Being a man means having control over your dating life. That's a PART of the equation. But I wouldn't call this site a "dating" or "player's" site.

What you do with your dating life is up to you. If you go out tomorrow, meet some girl you like, and decide to keep her around, I'm not gonna diss you for it.

All this "player" and "PUA" titles you're trying to label people with: it's corny. You are who you are. If you need some gay title to define yourself to the world, then you're already losing.

I go out on weekends. I get girls. I don't know if it makes me a "player" or a "PUA" or a "ABCDEFG" because I'm a grown man and I don't think about that s**t.

Mantis won the thread. Time to close it?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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my style is NO style - bruce lee.
 

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BIG! thanks to Mantis

He said it best and i couldn't said it any better which was what i was trying to imply/say but couldn't
 

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freshprince said:
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I don't think that's your game, i think its your dream
No. This is actually very far from my dream. In fact, in a perfect world I've love to have a nice loyal and caring wife/gf that treated me like her world. Unfortunately, I have been hit with a large dose of reality. Once you are exposed to the true nature of woman you can never go back. I've simply just adapted to the times. Which is what I clearly stated in my original reply.

it doesn't sound much fun to me dude and this is coming from a guy.
How is sleeping with a bunch of woman not fun? It is biologically programmed into our genes to procreate, with many woman as we possibly can. You can't reverse thousands of years of evolution.

why can't guys just try to commit to just 1 woman
It sounds great in theory. But this is not reality. Committing to one woman will not only destroy you emotionally, but it can also destroy you financially. Once you see their true nature then you see how ugly they can truly be. We are living in a time where society is ruled by feminism. Woman run amok and get away with anything they want. Why would I want to spend the rest of my life with someone like that? It just seems like a big headache. Look at the divorce rates. It just isn't working. Maybe 50 years ago, but not now. Like I said. ADAPTING.

instead they feel that they must show how strong their game is or how much of a boss they are.
I don't sleep with woman to brag about it. I sleep with woman to fulfill my biological and physical needs. In fact, I always keep my lays on the DL. The anytime word ever gets out about it is if there was other witnesses seeing me leave with a girl, or the girl spills the beans herself (which is usually the case.) I have stated my number on this forum before, but this is also a dating/pick-up site. This is the place to talk about it. I don't mass text all my friends or make facebook updates anytime I get a new lay, and I don't bring it up in conversation either. I have a reputation as a player but it's only because people do the talking FOR me. I prove my credentials with lay reports. Who wants to take advice from somebody about sex if he can't even get laid himself?

Girls are not really like this but they are some just likes to mess with other guys heads and i really hate chicks like that
Girls don't generally LIKE messing with guys heads. (There are a few exceptions though..) but they do it unknowingly or subconsciously. Girls run off of emotions, and they do whatever FEELS right. So if you aren't manning up then she is going to lose respect for you and want to leave you. I'm sure in her head she'd love to stay with you, but that's not what she FEELS. Her mind could tell her one thing, and her heart will tell her another. The heart always wins. They don't like hurting people anymore then we do, but it happens. They are biologically programmed to look for certain traits. If you aren't worthy then you will be tossed to the side and she will find someone else. She doesn't mean any harm by it. She's just doing what she FEELS is right.

If it is true that, that's your game i am afraid to say that if u keep living your life that way, u be sad and alone, your not getting any younger u know and believe u will fall defeat to the myth of marriage when u reach a certain age.
This could be true. But my philosophy is, I'd rather be old and a lone then with some girl who drives me nuts everyday. Or even worse, a girl that got impregnated by me 3 times then decided later on to leave me for another man and take my house, money, and kids with her. What a great life.

I think I'll be just fine dating many woman for years and years. Men only get better looking with age. This also gives me more time to establish myself and become more successful. I keep growing while all the beta males rot their lives away with woman who just use them.

-Scars
 

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Okay dude! take it easy...lol. It wasn't really meant as an insult, i was just saying.... but if that makes u happy in life, then so be dude
 

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Mantis Toboggan said:
This site is more about turning weak men into real men and keeping them that way. Being a man means having control over your dating life. That's a PART of the equation. But I wouldn't call this site a "dating" or "player's" site.

What you do with your dating life is up to you. If you go out tomorrow, meet some girl you like, and decide to keep her around, I'm not gonna diss you for it.

All this "player" and "PUA" titles you're trying to label people with: it's corny. You are who you are. If you need some gay title to define yourself to the world, then you're already losing.

I go out on weekends. I get girls. I don't know if it makes me a "player" or a "PUA" or a "ABCDEFG" because I'm a grown man and I don't think about that s**t.

I like that style man. Title doesn't mean anything. the only reason I say player is because when you date more than 1 your considered a player.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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