Your max bench press.

[Quagmire911]

As I thought Stallion, lots of bs going on. Get some videos to back up these claims

I actually asked fins in this thread http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=136461, with no answer as to whether he was using a full ROM. Probably some upright rowing going on, that happens a lot in my gym to.

IT's ALL YOU MANNN!!!

 

[JLR]

You're missing the range I'm in (300-350)...I can do 320

 

[HandyAndy]

Yeah I understand my chart sucks. If theres a mod that can change it, that would be nice thankz

 

[insidious]

Funny, love this stupid-ass subject, it's like
comparing penis size or something.

Anyways, my 1RM thus far is 190...and I tried to replicate that
about 2 or 3 weeks later and got stuck ! LOL
I work out alone, at home...needless to say, it
wasn't pretty.

Truer for me is about 185. That's my own mark, no one
else's. It's better than some, it's worse than others...oh well.
No sleep lost.

 

[DoctorLW]

I haven't maxed in awhile, but right now I'm repping 305 so I cast my vote for somewhere in the 350-400 range.

 

[DoctorLW]

I see so much bull**** at my gym. Guys do quarter squats with 4x as much weight as they should be using. There are 3 other people I've ever seen at my gym doing real squats with a decent amount of weight, and they are all powerlifters.

And don't get me started on bench. Today I saw a guy getting ready to bench 365 lbs and I stopped to watch because I've never seen anyone bench that much in real life. He was making a big deal out of it and grunting and all that ****. When he finally gets around to benching, he SLAMS the bar off his chest (I don't know how he didn't break his sternum) and his spotters deadlifted the weight for him, all the while going "All you bro! All you!"

What I see at my gym makes me very, very skeptical of internet numbers. At least I know most of the guys here are honest.

There is no "right" way to do a squat. For me, half-squats with a lot more weight is what made my quads grow. I added 20 pounds every week and never slowed down. Full squats I just didn't have the range of motion for, and to be quite honest, I was scared shiatless going that low to the ground with over 600 pounds on my back. More importantly, why should I do full squats when my body was responding so well to half-squats? The point I'm making is, you can't judge like that. What works, works. It's only wrong if it doesn't work and you still do it.

 

[WC2]

265 for awhile now. Can't do flat bar anymore (hurts my shoulders). Hell, I've just been doing incline and decline and my chest is looking better than it ever has.

 

[DoctorLW]

265 for awhile now. Can't do flat bar anymore (hurts my shoulders). Hell, I've just been doing incline and decline and my chest is looking better than it ever has.

You know, when I was more serious about lifting back in the day I had read somewhere that decline was less important that flat and incline, and stuck with that advice. My chest never looked that great. Now that I am less serious I started working flat and decline... and actually cut out incline entirely (I do incline instead of decline once out of 4 chest workouts a month). My chest has never looked better.

Decline is much more critical than I ever realized. Just one more thing that shows everybody is different, and the only way to figure out what works best for you is to experiment until you find it.

 

[I-tallionStallion]

There is no "right" way to do a squat. For me, half-squats with a lot more weight is what made my quads grow. I added 20 pounds every week and never slowed down. Full squats I just didn't have the range of motion for, and to be quite honest, I was scared shiatless going that low to the ground with over 600 pounds on my back. More importantly, why should I do full squats when my body was responding so well to half-squats? The point I'm making is, you can't judge like that. What works, works. It's only wrong if it doesn't work and you still do it.

ohhhhhhhh man....are you insane? You'll destroy your knees!!! Doing a squat like that isn't doing it improperly and you are risking serious injury. Think about how much stress you put on your knees stopping halfway!

Maybe you've been lucky...but i for one am not going to risk doing it like that and looking like a fool in the gym doing half reps. Now imagine if you squated correctly how much more you would have grown. You are wrong sir, and your advice will get someone hurt. Telling people its okay to half rep things is retarded in every shape and form. And btw you don't squat 600...

 

[Drum&Bass]

There is no "right" way to do a squat. For me, half-squats with a lot more weight is what made my quads grow.

No, they made your hamstrings and glutes grow, your quads weren't getting anywhere near the amount of training they could have gotten when you go deep.

ohhhhhhhh man....are you insane? You'll destroy your knees!!! Doing a squat like that isn't doing it improperly and you are risking serious injury. Think about how much stress you put on your knees stopping halfway!

How the hell is NOT squatting deep risking injury or causing damage to anyones knees, if you can push your hips back your knees are safe at any depth of a squat. it takes a LOT of skill and flexibility to complete a deep squat and your much more likely to get hurt going deeper.

Now imagine if you squated correctly how much more you would have grown.

this isn't true at all, moving heavy weight will cause you to grow. When I was 210 I had bigger muscular legs when I use to squat weight in the 3 and 400 range to parallel and above...

Now I squat deep and yes my overall leg is getting worked alot more but they are nowhere near the same size as they use to be because there not holding up weight in the 3 and 400's range. you don't need to do an olympic squat to see ENORMOUS benefits from squatting to parallel or above (granted you'll only be strong within that limited range of motion you complete but you will grow).

You are wrong sir, and your advice will get someone hurt.

IDIOT ! what if someone doesn't have good hamstring flexibility and you force them to squat deep, what do you think is gonna happen ?

Telling people its okay to half rep things is retarded in every shape and form.

No its not !!! if someone doesn't squat deep they may not be hitting all there leg muscles as hard as an Olympic squat but that can easily be fixed by doing smith squats, and if some moron thinks a smith squat is the same thing as a back squat please smak yourself now.



....oh and max on a flat bench is 225 for 6 , Incline 185 for 6 and Declines who knows ?? there usually near the end of my sets when I'm exhausted (and I use dumbbells) [all lifts the bar touches the chest].

 

[I-tallionStallion]

Yeah i guess Stronglifts is wrong too

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=131495

 

[Quagmire911]

Too me not going all the way down is simply an ego boost, trying to get your numbers higher, faster.

Drum, if your squat was in the 3-4 hundred range ass to grass and you ate accordingly, your legs would be larger than if you went to parallel. We all seem to be forgetting that food equals size.

And yes, top half of the movement is hamstrings, I learned that the hard way. Not through injury however.

 

[Mad Manic]

Asking people's max bench on an internet forum is like asking for penis size, it's always going to have people exaggerate the numbers. As for squats, I think you should squat as deep as your body mechanics allows, which is nearly always at least parallel.

MM

 

[Drum&Bass]

Too me not going all the way down is simply an ego boost

If I saw a fairly scrawny or chubby kid with no muscles in his/her legs load up 315 and did a teeny tiny little squat, then yea I agree TOTAL ATTENTION WHORE NEEDS AN EGO BOOST POSER !!

However if I saw someone with fairly muscular legs squat 315 for a decent range of motion, maybe not fully parallel or deep, then its a sincere lift (maybe not legal) but MY OWN EGO and the EGO of the majority of us on this forum would probably have us talking shit thinking to ourselves that not going deep is cheating, or not really proving any kind of strength, which is wrong.

Drum, if your squat was in the 3-4 hundred range ass to grass and you ate accordingly, your legs would be larger than if you went to parallel. We all seem to be forgetting that food equals size.

ummm no, no one is forgetting about proper diet, if your weightlifting MORE than likely your eating to build muscle. They may not have a great diet but most weightlifters know or will eventually learn that you must eat a lot of protein.


The ugly fact of the matter that our elitist attitudes don't want to admit is, Sure squatting Deep is REALLY HARD, gives OUR legs better definition and alot of our favorite bodybuilding sites glorify them but squatting to parallel or slightly above builds muscle MUCH FASTER than deep squatting and with time (and a combination of other exercises) allows people to surpass lifters who ONLY squat deep (of course there numbers will drop when they go deep but they won't be as far behind as some of you might think).

 

[I-tallionStallion]

The ugly fact of the matter that our elitist attitudes don't want to admit is, Sure squatting Deep is REALLY HARD, gives OUR legs better definition and alot of our favorite bodybuilding sites glorify them but squatting to parallel or slightly above builds muscle MUCH FASTER than deep squatting and with time (and a combination of other exercises) allows people to surpass lifters who ONLY squat deep (of course there numbers will drop when they go deep but they won't be as far behind as some of you might think).

I started out for going oinly parallel or slightly above, i was at around 300 when i started going deep which translated into about 180 lbs. When i used to squat 300 my knees would hurt after but when i did deep i no longer had any problems.

With your logic, yeah it could build more muscle in a certain area but completely neglects the rest of the muscles it seems like. Overall definition to me is wayyy more important to me.

But why not do half-reps and quarter reps on everything cause you can lift more? To me there's a proper way (especially when telling people how much i squat as a opposed to half-reps).

Yes i do agree of course there are instances you need to isolate certain muscles in excerises to work them harder to get a better at the overall lift.

Here's something to ponder. If one trains doing squats parallel and another trains doing deep (regular) squats...if both go deep, who will be able to push up more?

 

[I-tallionStallion]

What's the point of having Polls like this? Look what you started HandyAndy ;-)

 

[Mad Manic]

But why not do half-reps and quarter reps on everything cause you can lift more? To me there's a proper way (especially when telling people how much i squat as a opposed to half-reps).

Most people do, benching is an even worse culprit. A quarter rep with a spotter upright rowing the bar seems to be very common. Infact most spotters have enormous traps, ever wondered why. ;-) I think the squat needs to be taken as deep as one's body allows them to go. It depends on your body mechanics. But I think parallel gives a good range of motion anyway. I squat to just below parallel and I have good legs.

MM

 

[HandyAndy]

What's the point of having Polls like this? Look what you started HandyAndy ;-)

Not my fault ppl cant stay on topic

 

[playa99]

Let me guess, you used to do bench only and you squat to parallel?

Either that or your just proportioned that way. Btw if you squat to parallel, don't. Just incase you do...going all the way down is where it is at.

yeah i just used to bench cause i had a growth related leg injury last year and ive only started doing deadlifts this week, oh btw i squat to jus below paralell thats bout as far as my body will let me

 

[DoctorLW]

ohhhhhhhh man....are you insane? You'll destroy your knees!!! Doing a squat like that isn't doing it improperly and you are risking serious injury. Think about how much stress you put on your knees stopping halfway!

Maybe you've been lucky...but i for one am not going to risk doing it like that and looking like a fool in the gym doing half reps. Now imagine if you squated correctly how much more you would have grown. You are wrong sir, and your advice will get someone hurt. Telling people its okay to half rep things is retarded in every shape and form. And btw you don't squat 600...

Let me clarify. I did a "full" squat but I did not subscribe to the "ass to the grass" philosophy which is what many people seem to consider the only true type or "full" squat. I believe squatting to parralel is fine.

Don't tell me that I didn't grow. I did. I'm a very experienced lifter and probably know all sorts of things you have no idea exist. My quads (and rest of my legs except calves) grew so fast that I literally had to stop doing legs for 3 months because I didn't want permanent stretch marks on my legs. The stretch marks were so bad I looked like a bengal tiger down there.

Yes, I could squat 600 pounds.

Finally, if I was such an idiot about it how come every single day I had personal trainers coming up to me to tell me how impressed they were with what I was lifting? Granted, not all personal trainers know what they are doing but most have a good grasp on personal fitness and I doubt they would compliment someone who is clearly doing something incorrectly or dangerously.

The point I was making in my original post was this: there is no "RIGHT" way to do things. There is the way that works for you, and that is all that matters.