"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Your input on direct spontaneous approach?

Babnik

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Girls tend to be love spontaneous guys.

So, what is your input on a bold direct approach?

You approach a girl, create a SHORT conversation and upon her asking a question about you, you just spit it out "Maybe I'll tell you if you go out with me"

Somehow, all these "You should join me" and other supposedly ways to say "Go out" don't seem to carry the same...meaning I guess. When you say "Go out" around here its real obvious thats NOT a friend thing.

Often talking for even 5 minutes about things you have in common makes you a friend...

Girls do this to me. They would ask for my name and then just spit it out "Do you wonna go with me...somewhere?"
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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"Maybe I'll tell you if you go out with me"

I don't like this line. Sounds kinda like a trap and kinda vague.
Being vague never works, saying 'lets go out sometime' is open and nebulous. But saying lets go out to dinner next Saturday is definitive and more to the point.

Too many times guys will say 'lets go out sometime' and girl says yeah lets go out, and since there is no specifics, it never happens.

But the idea of talking for 5 minutes and then going for the date will work.
 

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rocky_mtn said:
"Maybe I'll tell you if you go out with me"

I don't like this line. Sounds kinda like a trap and kinda vague.
Being vague never works, saying 'lets go out sometime' is open and nebulous. But saying lets go out to dinner next Saturday is definitive and more to the point.

Too many times guys will say 'lets go out sometime' and girl says yeah lets go out, and since there is no specifics, it never happens.

But the idea of talking for 5 minutes and then going for the date will work.

Yeah, that is true. Its just you often get carried away during the conversation and talk about something totally random and then just scream out "lets go out" doesn't seem to fit the mood. If you do it at the beginning, it sets the right mood from the very beginning.
 

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I try to incorporate it into my convos while building rapport. Kinda like after your chatting a bit and bring up places you like to, go to or hang out at, and then ask "so do you like hanging out in (whatever part of town)?" she says yes. Then you say "have you tried the new (whatever) restaurant?" she says 'no haven't been there', then you say "we should get together and check it out"
Works the same with movies, or other events or attactions. Find out what you two have in common, know what events are comming up and then ask her to go to that event.

Another example... do you like (whatever) kind of music? she says yea I really like (whatever) music, or she says I'm not sure, I haven't hear too much (whatever) music. then you say "(whatever) band is playing this Friday, you should join me, it would be a ton of fun"

I've found that this works alot better than talking about random sh!t then going to the 'we should go out sometime'.
 

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But they still take it as being friends only.

Girls in colleges even go clubbing and grinding with friends only...
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

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To break through the 'friends barrier' I do the 'kamakazi kiss'. When you're talking with her, get the eye contact going, get her laughing and some good convo and rapport, when you're at a good spot in the conversation, grab her by the upper arms, lean forward and plant a kiss on her lips. Nothing big, no tounge, just a gentle but solid lip-to-lip kiss.

You don't need to explain it either, just say that you felt like doing it, thats if she asks. Otherwise smile, keep eye contact and keep talking to her.

I had a girl earlier this summer who seemed to be not much more than friends and I coundn't get anything going. I met another girl recently ago who gave me some serious IOIs when we were out, and at the end of the night, I did the kamakazi kiss, and she replies, wow that was unexpected, I replied that I'm full of surprises. The first girl didn't see me in a sexual way, so I stopped calling her, the second girl has some serious attaction for me. :woo:
 

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rocky_mtn said:
To break through the 'friends barrier' I do the 'kamakazi kiss'. When you're talking with her, get the eye contact going, get her laughing and some good convo and rapport, when you're at a good spot in the conversation, grab her by the upper arms, lean forward and plant a kiss on her lips. Nothing big, no tounge, just a gentle but solid lip-to-lip kiss.

You don't need to explain it either, just say that you felt like doing it, thats if she asks. Otherwise smile, keep eye contact and keep talking to her.

I had a girl earlier this summer who seemed to be not much more than friends and I coundn't get anything going. I met another girl recently ago who gave me some serious IOIs when we were out, and at the end of the night, I did the kamakazi kiss, and she replies, wow that was unexpected, I replied that I'm full of surprises. The first girl didn't see me in a sexual way, so I stopped calling her, the second girl has some serious attaction for me. :woo:

Yeah, but I want to waste time going out as friends with girls. Its just not worth it. Plus, you end up having great skills in asking girls out as friends this way instead of the other way around...

Ima try the direct approach and report!
 

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crab101 said:
Dude you make 3 threads in 2 days,WOW I sense a troll and man go read the DJBible your asking questions that can easy be answered if you read the bible.
True... but thats it.
 
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