"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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you say "HELP me i am in love with my friend. she is the only one i want.but she says we are just friends. do i keep trying ? what do i do?"

we here at sosuave say ..." DO NOT call her, email her, text her or drive by her house. DONT im her, or ask your other friends to do it either. GET RID of her phone number and delete everything you have of hers. take her off your christmas card list. if she shows up at your house with monoploly, slam the door in her face.
we know you are crazy about her, and that you want her really bad. we know you do not want to do these things, but you must do them.
you must do them in order to get over her and move on.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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:nervous: Please say it isn't so... You mean there's NO escape from THE FRIEND ZONE!!!:eek:
 

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Ive went for it, did it, and it ended, and now its all ****ed up after we stopped sex.. Best advice cut the loss early, and don't attempt it, having a good friend girl is great social proof when you go out too..

But if you did get intimate, and want to stop feelings, best bet is to cut her out, dont talk to her, and forget everything.
 

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Now I swear I've heard this before...... hmm....... somewhere......

Oh! That's right!! A ton of threads on the sosuave forum!





..... I'm at the sosuave forum right now, aren't I? *snap*
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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KnockoutJM said:
Best advice cut the loss early, and don't attempt it, having a good friend girl is great social proof when you go out too..

A) You want women friends that did not LJBF you. and B) You did not try, you forgot the missing ingridient called "moving on with your life."



@ Pankitten.


DAAA
 

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Ace of Flames said:
Now I swear I've heard this before...... hmm....... somewhere......

Oh! That's right!! A ton of threads on the sosuave forum!





..... I'm at the sosuave forum right now, aren't I? *snap*
yes ace, i know i'm so lame.
but i have seen a ton of threads asking for advice lately, and i just had to do it.
 

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People on this site make female friends out to be the worst thing ever. I embrace a good female friend. There is no better wing man than a female. A good female friend will always make sure you look nice before you go out. She will always say good things about you to other women putting you in a good light. She'll even pimp her friends for you.

There have been plenty of times where I wanted to sex my female friend. We're comfortable around eachother. We already know everything about eachother. You would figure that if we got together everything would be perfect. On two seperate occasions I lost two good friends.

Don't do it. Enough said.
 

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Female friend vs Woman who told you let's just be friends is two different things. The latter is not good. The former is good.
 

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penkitten said:
yes ace, i know i'm so lame.
but i have seen a ton of threads asking for advice lately, and i just had to do it.
I actually agree with you. I was trying to say that there have been a lot of threads about this kinda thing, and this same advice has been in all of them.

Guess my sarcasm didn't cross over so well. :whistle: Heh.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Ace of Flames said:
I actually agree with you. I was trying to say that there have been a lot of threads about this kinda thing, and this same advice has been in all of them.

Guess my sarcasm didn't cross over so well. :whistle: Heh.
im glad we are on the same page:)
 

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ViciousDADogg said:
Female friend vs Woman who told you let's just be friends is two different things. The latter is not good. The former is good.
I agree to a certain point. If a woman tells you let's just be friends, then turn it into a positive. When you're going out with a group of people, 1 of whom you plan on gaming, invite her out with you all. That way she can clearly see that you're over her and will probably give you tips on what to do so you can stay over her.
 

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kdnash82 said:
I agree to a certain point. If a woman tells you let's just be friends, then turn it into a positive. When you're going out with a group of people, 1 of whom you plan on gaming, invite her out with you all. That way she can clearly see that you're over her and will probably give you tips on what to do so you can stay over her.

She's a social disprove.


Here is a better idea. Leave her alone for two months or more. After that it be like you're a new guy to her, a stranger. You can either pick at it again or not.
 

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wait..
a actual friend, that you only want to be friends back with, is not what this post is about.
this post is about every guy who wants some chick but the chick tells them "lets just be friends" but they want more than friendship.
it turns into obsession, oneitis , or whatever we call it these days.

if she said "no, lets just be friends" today, why would you wait two months and then pursue again?
the fact of the matter is, you aren't new, and she didn't forget why she said "lets just be friends" in the first place.
she wasn't interested.

that is why communication must cease.
so that they may get over her, and get her completely out of their systems before that two months passes.

if not, every two months, some guy is going to post a new thread all about how it didn't work this time either, and he will wait another two months and approach it again.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Two months is an arbitrary number. You approach a chic today, and she says no, give it time, forget her for two months or half a year, or year. Do it again, believe me, you're a stranger to her by that time.

People move on, things change, attitudes change. Unless she's some cold b1tch that holds grudges.
 

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ViciousDADogg said:
Two months is an arbitrary number. You approach a chic today, and she says no, give it time, forget her for two months or half a year, or year. Do it again, believe me, you're a stranger to her by that time.

People move on, things change, attitudes change. Unless she's some cold b1tch that holds grudges.
thanks for making that one more understandable.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
:nervous: Please say it isn't so... You mean there's NO escape from THE FRIEND ZONE!!!:eek:
Actually there is a way... I have a book on it too ... and it worked for me ona couple of girls... less than half thoo... at least ders a slight chance...

If you guys really want to know how u can try PMing me...
 

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First off, men and women cannot be friends, or at least not in the way that most people perceive same sex friendship to be. Now the natural resoponse to this from a well conditioned AFC is "I have lots of female friends" or "what are you trying to say, I can't have female friends, they're all enemies?" Which of course is the standard binary (black or white, all or nothing) retort and the trained AFC thinks anyone suggesting that men and women's relations as friends could be anything less than equitable and fulfilling is just a neanderthal chauvinist thinking thawed out from cryogenic freeze in the 1950s. But you are incorrect - not because you'd want to actually be a woman's friend, but because she cannot be yours. There are fundamental differences in the ways men and women view friendship within their own sex and the ways this transfers to the concept of intergender friendship.

Quite simply there are limitations on the degree to which a friendship can develop between men and women. The easy illustration of this is that at some point your female "friend" will become intimately involved with another male; at which point the quality of what you perceived as a legitimate friendship will decay. It must decay for her intimate relationship to mature. For instance, I've been married for 11 years now; were I to entertain a deep freindship with another female (particualrly an attractive female) other than my wife, my interest in this woman automatically becomes suspect of infidelity - and of course the same holds true for women with man-friends.

It's not to say that you cannot have female aquaintances, or that you must necessarily be rude or ignore all women with contempt, that is binary thinking once again, but it is to say that the degree of friendship that you can experience with women (as a man) in comparison to same sex friendships will always be limited due to sexual differences. Most men will only ever engage in friendships with women that they find attractive and/or interesting which of course is colored by their attraction to that woman. Now I'm sure you'll play the "not in my case" card and attempt to tell me how much an exception to the rule you are, to which I'll say, even if you legitimately are, it makes no difference. Because the very nature of an intergender friendship is ALWAYS going to be limited by sexual differences.

Even the best, most asexual, platonic, male-female friendships will be subject to mitigation based on sex. The easy example is that I'm sure you'd be jealous and suspect of your girlfriend were she to be spending any "quality time" with another 'male-friend'. It's simply time spent with another male who isn't you and you'll always question her desire to do so in favor of spending time with you.

So get out of your head now that there even is a so called "friend zone" with any woman. You're either intimate with her or you're not. Women have boyfriends and girlfriends, if you're not ƒucking her, you're her girlfriend, simple as that. There is no friend zone - there is only the limbo between you being fooled that a girl is actually a friend on an equitable level to your same sex friends, and you understanding that as soon as she becomes intimate with another guy your attentions will become a liability to any relationship she might want to have with the new sexual interest and she puts you off, or you do the same when you become so involved with another girl.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
There is no friend zone - there is only the limbo between you being fooled that a girl is actually a friend on an equitable level to your same sex friends...
This ties into what you've previously stated about women finding value in male friendships for the attention. Most of them are unconscious of this and so they really believe that they're being your friend.

I've have several female friends. Every so often, while being out with one of them, I'll bump into another one. Their reactions are always the same--they don't like each other. They start asking me questions about the other one and they start pointing out how there is something weird about her. Both know we're just friends, but upon meeting each other they get jealous.

After an encounter, which ever girl I was out with, will get just a bit more physical than normal. She'll laugh a little bit louder and smile a little bit more. I suspect that this is a way of covertly broadcasting to my other friend, usually a few feet away, that she had my attention and that we were having a good time. I'll reiterate, these girls are strictly friends. We have never been intimate or kissed.

This all became much clearer after I began reading sosuave. There is no such things as platonic friends. The whole idea is just another gambit of women to keep men around and raise their value.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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