"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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You guys are more into LTR's then ONS's, right?

GamePlan

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Ive never really looked at this forum, but I'm wondering if my perception is right that you guys (late 20's and older) are way more into getting a "quality woman" instead of trying to get laid as much as possible. Am I right? or did the last thread I read about quality women influence me too much?

This might sound silly (especially on the regular DJ forum), but I've started to wonder if this whole "DJ" stuff is taking it too far, and is mostly helpful if you want to get laid as much as possible, but potentially dangerous if you're looking to attract girlfriend material, etc..

I mean sure, a lot of those mental games work on most women, but maybe this only attracts silly hoes, you'd never want to be in a relationship with, anyway?

So anyway, what I'm really wondering is this:

Are a lot of the things that are frowned upon in the regular forum of this site - like being nice to a woman or let alone romantical and charming ;) - maybe actually good things if you're looking to meet quality women instead of having hot, but superficial/dumb chicks chase you?

EDIT/EXAMPLE:

I remember this guy who was well..a bit of a romantical wuss and he got with a good-looking girl back in high school (definitely better looking than him). In other words an "AFC". I used to be with a girl at the time, who knew him and she said that couple wouldnt last long, because he's too much of a [insert german word for a guy who spends too much time with his girl].

Now 5 years later that guy is still with this girl...and I don't have much to do with that chick from back then anymore, and am glad about it, because she's a bit messed in her head..not what I'd consider girlfriend material.....that really makes me think if the whole DJ thing is mostly helpful with attracting flings and ONS's but harmful when it comes to relationships.

I'm not trying to say "just be yourself", because being a "Man" and "confident" instead of a Wuss is probably always an advantage (just as much a turn on for a woman as a feminine woman is for us guys, I assume)...but I'm wondering if some of the ideas that are promoted on the regular forum here on SS might actually be harmful with women/only help with attracting women that aren't really girlfriend material (because you have to play too many mind games with them and wont be able to connect with them emotionally).

The few things I've learned about women are "Be A Man", "Be Confident", "Don't Act like a Friend", and that women don't like a man who's lazy (not necessarily because she's a gold digger (not worth going for), but because women are pretty turned on by "ambition" and a guy who has "goals")...that kind of stuff has become part of my personality (having gone from a teenager to a man). But most of the other stuff I read on that regular forum makes me wonder "if I have to play such mind games to keep her interested, isn't it doomed to fail in the first place?"
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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puma183

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There is being a Nice Guy (TM) and then there is being Nice to your LTR from time to time to reward her for good behavior. If you can distinguish between the two, you are off to a good start.

Your LTR will also be happier with this arrangement, as she will feel the satisfaction of having earned the tenderness that she receives. It has more value if she has to work to get it.
 

guywhoneedshelp

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I'll reconsider relationships again when I'm 25. For now, I'm just dating several chicks and will continue to do so.
 

GamePlan

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Well, I guess now that this thread has been moved out of the "Mature Men" forum, it probbaly doesn't make much sense anymore LOL ;)
 

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Some posters are into quality women others are more interested in getting laid as much as possible. You might have to do a poll to find out the percentages.^^




GamePlan said:
Ive never really looked at this forum, but I'm wondering if my perception is right that you guys (late 20's and older) are way more into getting a "quality woman" instead of trying to get laid as much as possible. Am I right? or did the last thread I read about quality women influence me too much?

This might sound silly (especially on the regular DJ forum), but I've started to wonder if this whole "DJ" stuff is taking it too far, and is mostly helpful if you want to get laid as much as possible, but potentially dangerous if you're looking to attract girlfriend material, etc..

I mean sure, a lot of those mental games work on most women, but maybe this only attracts silly hoes, you'd never want to be in a relationship with, anyway?

So anyway, what I'm really wondering is this:

Are a lot of the things that are frowned upon in the regular forum of this site - like being nice to a woman or let alone romantical and charming ;) - maybe actually good things if you're looking to meet quality women instead of having hot, but superficial/dumb chicks chase you?

EDIT/EXAMPLE:

I remember this guy who was well..a bit of a romantical wuss and he got with a good-looking girl back in high school (definitely better looking than him). In other words an "AFC". I used to be with a girl at the time, who knew him and she said that couple wouldnt last long, because he's too much of a [insert german word for a guy who spends too much time with his girl].

Now 5 years later that guy is still with this girl...and I don't have much to do with that chick from back then anymore, and am glad about it, because she's a bit messed in her head..not what I'd consider girlfriend material.....that really makes me think if the whole DJ thing is mostly helpful with attracting flings and ONS's but harmful when it comes to relationships.

I'm not trying to say "just be yourself", because being a "Man" and "confident" instead of a Wuss is probably always an advantage (just as much a turn on for a woman as a feminine woman is for us guys, I assume)...but I'm wondering if some of the ideas that are promoted on the regular forum here on SS might actually be harmful with women/only help with attracting women that aren't really girlfriend material (because you have to play too many mind games with them and wont be able to connect with them emotionally).

The few things I've learned about women are "Be A Man", "Be Confident", "Don't Act like a Friend", and that women don't like a man who's lazy (not necessarily because she's a gold digger (not worth going for), but because women are pretty turned on by "ambition" and a guy who has "goals")...that kind of stuff has become part of my personality (having gone from a teenager to a man). But most of the other stuff I read on that regular forum makes me wonder "if I have to play such mind games to keep her interested, isn't it doomed to fail in the first place?"
Yes it usually is doomed to fail when you have to play mind games. People who play mind games are usually AFC's pretending to be DJ's.


Having said that there is a saying called 'fake it till you make it'. To be and attractive man you might first have to act it until it becomes a habit.


PUA can get women to sleep with them but in many cases they cannot even get a girlfriend once the girl sees who the the real person is.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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