“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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You don't need to be muscular/huge to get girls, in fact most women don't like it

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First, as someone else pointed out unless you're on steroids and/or incredibly genetically gifted, a body builder will just look fit. Second, when not under harsh lights, dehydrated, pumped up, and oiled up a body builder just looks buff, not gross.

The images you see in muscle mags are incredibly different than a "real" lifter, even very dedicated ones.

In real life, chicks dig muscles, but there's no "one magic thing".
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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bigjohnson - guessing from your nickname and from your previous responses, you are focusing on bodybuilding and penis size because you are overcompensating for something.
 

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I agree with the original post. Lots of women actively find (confident) skinny guys the hottest. Musicians for example. Something to do with their confidence coming from somewhere other than a gym.
 

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Yeah, I'm overcompensating for all the money I make, that's it.

Or maybe I'm just trying to inject a little reality into this fantasy you're weaving.

Nighthawk said:
Something to do with their confidence ....
Yep, that part is correct.
 

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sexxyback said:
Most of you former skinny guys on this forum seem to be operating under the impression that the huge bodybuilding guys have the physique that most women want. That is a misconception.

Most women think that the huge bodybuilding physique is gross, and they think that the guys who spend all the time in the gym and obsess over their diet to attain that type of physique are silly and stupid.
Thanks for posting this. Personally, I think muscly men look gross. I can't stand the hulking shoulders and huge arm muscles and necks so thick that their head looks like a neck with a face on it. Football players--definitely WAY too buff for my liking. Of all my (girl) friends I've talked to about this, all but one found muscular men visually repulsive.

I'm really attracted to skinny boys. I love long, flat torsos, and arms with only *very* slight muscle definition. Six-pack abs turn me off.

There will definitely always be percentages of women who are attracted to different body types, but I think for the most part women *really* aren't that into muscly men.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Mostly women want whatever other women have. That's pretty much rule #1.

After that they want a confident guy who fits their personal idea of Mr Right.

Being rich, fit and good looking never hurts on EITHER of those counts, but everyone gets to play the game.
 

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There is a huge difference in how a muscular guy can look. For example, most women think that the HUGE bodybuilders that are almost 100 % muscle with veins popping out everywhere, and on roids, are nasty looking. Like this guy. http://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/img/user/22/80/3472280/55.jpg

But for example, I have not heard one woman say that this guy, John Cena is not hot. Most women LOVE him. He is not overly muscular though, and I don't think he is on roids because he doesn't have the veins popping out everywhere. He is 6'1 and about 240 lbs. http://img.search.com/thumb/7/71/Johncenatitle.jpg/200px-Johncenatitle.jpg Women get wet and have said "I would do him" just by looking at this guy. They have told me.
 

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Sorry, there's very little difference in the 'hugeness' of those 2 guys, except 1 is oiled up/flexing hard, and the other is relaxed.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I used to work out all the time, and at one time I was reasonably big.

I *hated* that, when people met me, they would automatically assume that I was dumb because of my body. Even though I was far from dumb, I had to prove myself. I don't get that now that I've slimmed down some.
 

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md3sign is dead-on;

-Since when do women say what they REALLY want???
 

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Deus ex Pianoforte said:
Hate to be a beacon of negativity here, but what's the point of this thread? All you're going to get is all the skinny/average guys saying that chicks don't like big guys, and then all the big guys coming here and talking about how much chicks like muscles.

But none of it matters. As long as you're not one extreme or the other, it all boils down to oneself. Chicks care about personality and confidence, not the size of your triceps. I've seen girls date guys that are quite underweight, and equally hot girls date guys that probably can't even touch their back.

i believe the point was to enlighten some of these guys so that a lot of them don't continue with the misconception that girls like big muscle guys, so that they don't spend so much time obsessing about 'gaining mass' and going to the gym - thinking that they are helping themselves when in fact they are making themselves unappealing to most women and wasting time that would be better used furthering their careers.
 

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Deus ex Pianoforte said:
Ok, yeah. I can see that. But the proof's in the pudding...just grab the latest copy of "Flex" and show 'em a nice, big picture of Markus Ruhl or Gunter Schlierkamp and watch their reactions. It's pretty priceless. ;)
the reaction would be the same if you showed some guy a pictures of the porn star candy apples - with 52 DDD breasts. he will be like 'whoa, those are huge!' but he wouldn't necessarily want to date that girl, take her home to meet his mom, or even fvck that girl.
 

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the most important muscle you have is the one that pays the bills. mark that down.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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It's ok, Deus still doesn't get it. Nobody is talking about extremes. All we're saying is that working out and looking like you work out even with clothes on (and even better with clothes off) is a turn on.

There won't be a single person on this message board to ever get anywhere near the size of Ruhl. Stop kidding yourself.
 

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not this again.

If you took two men who were identical in every way, except 1 man had considerably more muscle mass, which man do you think would be more attractive to women?

Nobody is saying to become a bodybuilder, but the fact is if you gain muscle mass, you will become more attractive to women.

Skinny guys want to feel better about themselves, thats all this is. When you go from skinny to having some mass, you are more attractive to women. Period, end of discussion.
 

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You really believe that someone with say a wide receiver's physique won't have get more attention from girls than your average joe????

As others have said, no one here is going to get HUGE from working out (some people seem to think that it would happen by accident!). A bit of muscle goes a long way. Pook has a great post on the increase in attention he got while bulking up. I have a friend who tbh keeps his gf purely because of his phsique.

The way I look at it. An average guy with very good game can get pretty much any woman. A buff guy with ok game can get pretty much any woman. A buff guy with bad game can still get ok women (HB7). An average guy with bad game is stuck with HB6 and below.
 

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sparky0000 said:
the most important muscle you have is the one that pays the bills. mark that down.
It depends on the size of your jock strap where women can stick their money. :up:
 

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Aaron B said:
not this again.

If you took two men who were identical in every way, except 1 man had considerably more muscle mass, which man do you think would be more attractive to women?

Nobody is saying to become a bodybuilder, but the fact is if you gain muscle mass, you will become more attractive to women.

Skinny guys want to feel better about themselves, thats all this is. When you go from skinny to having some mass, you are more attractive to women. Period, end of discussion.
People (both sexes) usually enjoy fit bodies in general, not necessarily one extreme or the other, just fit.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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