"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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****y But Not Funny

JT7890

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So I'm trying to work on my "game" a little bit here. I keep noticing a strong trend that when I first meet a girl and hit off, her interest level is high at the beginning but it starts to fall down rather sharply. I'm 27 but I can't recall a relationship or "plate" that I've had longer then 3-5 months. I've never had a girl with me for over a year or even close to a year.

The feedback I get is mostly that I'm good in the looks department, gear department, etc. What I think is happening is that there's some things that I'm saying that's either pissing the girls off, making them see me as immature, or something.

My personality if very C&F, alot. But despite the ****yness, I do lack in the witty department and I think that might be hurting me here. So I think I need to work on actually being more "funny" to go with the "****y" shyt.

Then I think that I might be saying things during the altercation to make the girl think I'm all about sex. Countless girls have said, "JT you just want to come over here so you can fvck me! All you talk about is sex!" And yes, while I do make sexual conversation, jokes, etc., that's not ALL I'm about but I think that's how Im' coming off.

I guess my question is, how do you start to fix some of these things or are these things problems at all? How do I get more witty? And I mean, yes, sex is apart of my conversation and the girls don't have a problem flirting back with me, but then why do they always say I just wanna fvck em' and I don't care about them like they are just sex objects?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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JT7890 said:
..why do they always say I just wanna fvck em' and I don't care about them like they are just sex objects?
Why? Because you say so!

JT, lots of guys overtalk the sex side of things in the belief that "sex talk" demonstrates masculinity and will amp up her attraction towards you. The opposite is true...frequent sex talk kills attraction. It turns women off- as you found out.
Also is no need to make "dirty jokes" (except one a year -and it better be damn witty)

A small hint here, a little innuendo there -doing it that way works much better than the overt approach.
Tease and trigger her imagination. Let her wonder and speculate.
Indirectness will always get you where you want to go with women over the full frontal approach.
 

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Dear JT,
"And I mean, yes, sex is apart of my conversation and the girls don't have a problem flirting back with me, but then why do they always say I just wanna fvck em' and I don't care about them like they are just sex objects?". You are far too overt JT.....Why do you need to talk about sex,just do it...Wittiness is not something that will suddenly tranfix and transmogrify you as you stroll along the Road to Damascus.However,it is something you can work at....First important step is to decide the Persona you want and then research it and like an actor live that role...To be witty will take a while,but there is a big difference between being witty and being Smutty.....Step one would be starting a file on your computor,it could have a number of subfiles and would include jokes,in two categories of course,ribald jokes are part and parcel of the witty fellows stock in trade,because to impress Women you sometimes have to impress Men first...So take a note book with you constantly,have another at work,another by your bedside....if something that conforms to your new Persona impresses then write it down for transference to the file...could be a joke,a bon mot,a cute way of describing someone,a poetic quote,a saying....and don't neglect your reading,you should come across as knowledgeable and wise.Man does not live by wit alone....If you are spending that sort of effort on improving yourself,then make sure you don't waste it on Birds you meet in the Pub or Club.
 

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Scara's and Jo's wisdom spoke for our poor souls again.

Thanks, fellas

this is very helpful
 
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