I have been here for about a year, this site was the first place I ever found and still one of the best places for info. most, if not all of the threads here, even the 7+ year old ones, still contain great information. Like most of you, I have checked out a lot of the so-called gurus and seduction material out there. It seems that everyday something new comes out that claims to be better than everything else out there. Some of these programs have 10+ cds, books, etc. From what I have heard, it's all the exact same garbage said over and over and over again. I am wondering a few things. Do people who buy these things actually believe there is something in there that they have never heard before? And, do these gurus think that they are really coming up with something new or just preying on people's naivety? Have any of you guys learned something from the million plus programs that you haven't learned here?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
WTF is with all the "Seduction Material"?
- Thread starter Drewskie
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
bukowski_merit
Master Don Juan
I have only bought a few actual products (The Sex God Method, Practical Female Psychology, and Manual of Seduction - all of which i had got for free and felt they were such high quality that i had to buy them to support). I mostly use a certain "database" to get mostly everything out there for free. I believe that most people who buy they products are not people who are familiar with the seduction community (sites like here, rsd, and fast seduction have all the info you'll ever need for free!) I think most people who do buy materials online - are 1st time exposed.... OR people who are just obsessed with information gathering...Drewskie said:. Do people who buy these things actually believe there is something in there that they have never heard before?
There's a handful of people who do have different ideas and are constantly crafting new ways to approach and get women. They do it as a job though, they live it. I actually think they CAN come up with new stuff and they do. HOWEVER the large bulk of these ebooks/programs out there just rehash already known information and rewrite it in their own words (sometimes they don't even go that far).Drewskie said:And, do these gurus think that they are really coming up with something new or just preying on people's naivety?
I learn way more from psychology/biology books and studies than i do from pua/seduction material. But there's some good stuff out there. But then again... You can get just about every pickup theory ever thought to be good as well as every one that has ever failed by going here: http://fastseduction.com/archives/Drewskie said:Have any of you guys learned something from the million plus programs that you haven't learned here?
It is an industry. The Internet allows anyone with a few dollars to become a guru (via self-publishing and a website). Getting a beautiful girl is pretty simple. So is not being a fat slob. Yet the diet industry is filled with expensive programs to get you slim and fit. I won't even get into America's love for self-help products.
In other words, MONEY. Write that down. MONEY. Again. MONEY. Everything pretty much comes around to that one word. That includes getting the girl of your dreams. Remember. MONEY. Wars are waged for? Freedom? Wrong. MONEY. That is the most valuable tip on here. It all comes around to money. Right or wrong. That one word is the "how" and "why" to just about everything.
In other words, MONEY. Write that down. MONEY. Again. MONEY. Everything pretty much comes around to that one word. That includes getting the girl of your dreams. Remember. MONEY. Wars are waged for? Freedom? Wrong. MONEY. That is the most valuable tip on here. It all comes around to money. Right or wrong. That one word is the "how" and "why" to just about everything.
War Against Betaism
Master Don Juan
The dating business might be the easiest to market because there are so many desperate men out there that want to get their d1ck wet and will believe just about anything that they are fed, and then there's the thousands of "dating gurus" that see this and try to cash in with their bullsh1t. Quite ironically two of the three books that helped me the most, one of them isn't a dating book but a book on self improvement (How To Make Great Conversation And Small Talk), and the other is written by a woman (Guy Gets Girl).
The way society is structured nowadays means there is a large market for this stuff. Women have sexual freedom. Lots of women want to sleep with a small number of men and many other men end up with limited options. So they turn to the seduction "gurus".
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
I completely understand that all of these guys are looking for a quick buck, and it is very simple to throw a book together and market the hell outta it online. I just don't see how they can make all these claims, "all new techniques, never seen before, revolutionary, the best, etc." when the 400 books before them said the same thing. I mean, 10 cd's for "ultimate natural game". I think that the books that have nothing to do with the seduction industry are the only helpful ones out there. However, since there a million of them, I have probably only scratched the surface.