"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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WTF happened here? Can I still get this girl? Advice needed!

Tuga

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This happened over the last few months....I apologise now for the wall of text :/

- Late ish November go out to a friend's party. Girl is there who used to chill with this group of friends a few years back but kinda distanced herself cause of BF. We get to chatting, flirt etc. (she broke up with her BF 2 months ago) and I get her number. Girl has normally been in relationships the whole time, had 2 BF's, one 6 year and another 2 year.

- My summer fling is also there and she grabs her at the end of the night and speaks to her. Girl later tells me that she had a go at her for talking to me because we used to have something and she says it's disrespectful.

- We text back and forth next few days, girl initiates a lot and seems very interested. We go out once and it goes really well (but girl says a lot of her friends warned her about me, saying I was a player), also her best friend is best friend's with my summer fling who has been spewing lies about me. I try play it cool etc. and tell her it's all lies, end date with making out.

- My bday rolls around and she gets me a present, we go out on a date later and she gives me present etc. Date goes well but just more kissing and touching nothing else, she tells me she doesn't want to play any games and that I'm a player and see women as a game etc. I try to reassure her and deny. Girl is an 8/10, has a good job, head on straight, isn't a sloot....I start to think maybe potential GF.

- She then goes away for a weekend for a friend's bday (invites me but I can't cause of work) with a few mutual friends. When she comes back I notice she's a little offish. Later ask her and she says people were already talking about us on the trip and one of the boy's said I slept around a lot etc. bad mouthed me. Lets call him guy A.

- I manage to make things better again but then we all go out together with same mutual friends from trip and she says she doesn't want to do anything in front of anyone. I play it cool but it pissed me off a bit (she said she didn't want everyone to start gossiping about us and to think she was just another girl I'd gotten and that's why she doesn't like dating people from same social circle).

- Still initiates convo a lot and flirts. Fast forward to new years eve and I hadn't seen her in a while so tell her I'll pick her up from work and take her to the hospital (aunty has been ill for the past week or so and she's at the hospital every night) to see her. We chill at the hospital coffee shop, she invites me to meet her mum and aunty. It goes really well and I get them lovey duvey eyes from her when we are alone.

- She ends up doing nothing for NYE, texts me all night so I tell her to come meet me. She gets there after midnight and I'm pretty wasted by now. I thought it went well but at the end of the night she seems a little off but I'm hammered. Next few days she's very off on text, I ask her to call me, she says she will and doesn't etc. I invite her out and she says no with lame excuse. I ask her what happened NYE and she says nothing. Don't contact her for a day or two and she contacts me. I manage to get her out a week later (she says yes but AS friends). On date she explains on NYE I became a bit of a pervert and was trying to finger her in the club etc. (don't remember ****, I blacked out). I tell her sorry not normally like that etc. Date goes good, ends with making out.

- A mutual friends bday is a week later, she asks if I want to meet up with her and go together. Text every day etc. until then. Now this party was with the same group as be4 so I intended to play it cool and just see what happened. Unfortunately, when I get drunk I start flirting with girls too much. Girls were coming onto me too and she's watching the whole thing. Long story short, girls are grinding on me, buying me shots etc. and she's seeing it all. Well into the night, I go back to our table and she's grinding on guy A (she also told me she drunken kissed him once a few weeks before I met her). I sit down and watch and then she turns her back to me and starts making out with the guy. I was pissed off but smiled and walked out onto the dance floor and made out with 2 chicks (she saw the whole thing).

- Approach her after and say "I thought you didn't play games" and she says I started it, flirting with loads of girls and paying no attention to her. I said I didn't kiss anyone till you did and she says it's a lie and her and her friends saw me kiss a girl on the neck at the bar (didn't happen, probably just leaned in to talk to her). We talk for a bit, she says she's single and it doesn't matter, I said if it doesn't matter why are you pissed at me? She can't reply. We don't really get close for the rest of the night, I go back to hers with her friend but just take a cab home from there.

- Next few days we text a bit, she's pretty cold. I try to get her out to meet up with her and talk but she keeps saying she's busy etc. I say fuk it and a few days later bring up the bday party mess. She tells me the night cleared up any doubts, same social circle never works. I tell her it was dumb and she likes me, I like her lets stop messing around. She says it's difficult because everyone was judging and talking about it and it made her realise she's not ready for anything and she needs to be alone for a few months and sort her head out. Says sorry that she's so messed up and she doesn't want to hurt me or anyone else. I'm like OK cool and then she says we can still be friends etc. I say no problem.

- She had invited me to go to her favourite music artist's concert a few weeks back. Her ex BF had bought the tickets and she was going to get them off him. He refused to sell them to her so I had bought them and was going to surprise her. They arrived after all of the above. I messaged her and told her if she wanted she could buy both off me and take some1 she wants. She acts super touched etc. and says ok. I leave it and she keeps initiating convo. Ends up asking me if she gives me the money for both tickets do I still want to go with her. I say OK and she gets really happy and says she was scared I was going to say no. Then says she wants us to stay friends and doesn't want things to be awkward. I tell her they are not.

- She goes out a few times as a group which includes guy A (all same mutual friends). Talk here and there up until the night of the concert. I decide to go and see how it goes. The night goes OK, she pays for all drinks and invites me to dinner after. I didn't make a move for a kiss but she would constantly back into me during the concert and we were close and touching. I take her home she says she couldn't have had a better night and goes inside. Get home and she's put up pics of us at the concert on all social networking sites.

- I don't msg her and 2 days later she starts making convo with me. She messages me a lot every day now. Flirty and dropping hints. I figure I'm back in and call her out. She says she does like me but gets confused sometimes because things are still so fresh with her ex and she didn't want to lead me on and that she hears a lot of things and everyone cheats on everyone now and she finds it hard to trust. Continues to msg and be flirty rest of week.

- Invites me out during the week to a work party, I tell her I'm busy. She gets tipsy and starts blowing up my phone saying to meet up. Couldn't meet up but she seems into it now. A week on from the concert, I go to meet her for drinks she's having with work friends. Me and my friend get turned down at the door and she leaves with us and 1 friend of hers. She's pretty drunk. Go to another bar and I make my move and kiss her. She's into it a lot and keeps touching etc. Talk about the messed up night, says she only kissed that guy to make me jealous and he was the easiest one there. We continue to kiss the whole time and then one of the mutual friends is arriving (best friend of guy A). She says not to get too close when he arrives b/c he's got a big mouth and everyone will talk. I play it off and make a joke about it. A bit after he arrives she kisses me and then continues to kiss me the whole night. She mentions her work mate is talking to the other guy and telling her the nickname's she's given to guys (guy A is called the ugly one). We all leave together, everyone gets a lift from that guy.

- The following day she said she was having a monopoly night at hers and had invited me a while back. I show up and it's me, her, guy A and his best friend. Later her other girl friend joins us. Now she is acting cold (ish) the whole night, is flirting with guy A loads and practically paying no attention to me. I start to get pissed off but try to keep it cool but don't think I did the best job hiding it. Guy A leaves first and I'm chilling on a big sofa, while the other dude is sitting on a tiny 1 person sofa. She goes and sits next to him. I'm like **** this and decide to leave. She walks me to the door and I don't even turn around.

- After this I don't hear from her and decide to message her 2 days after. She reads my message and doesn't reply. I sent her another about 2 hours later saying "ur ignoring me? wow." She replies 2 hours later, "hey hun of course not. Sorry I was out having dinner." I reply to this, she reads it and doesn't reply. That's never happened before, she always insta replies regardless of where she is.

- Don't know if this is related or not but last night guy A makes his status "I'm done" and changes his display pic (the one he had be4 was a group one where they were both standing together).

That was yesterday. She's been online again but haven't heard from her. This is a lost situation right? Did I get played? What exactly happened, I don't understand....it seemed like the did genuinely did like me? We had made plans to go out 2morrow but I'm going no contact from now. If she does msg me asking about to 2morrow I'm going to tell her I'm busy.

Thoughts? Advice?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I gave up after the 8th paragraph. You are too emotionally attached to this girl. It's not worth the headaches. Find someone else.
 

Tuga

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Uncharted said:
I gave up after the 8th paragraph. You are too emotionally attached to this girl. It's not worth the headaches. Find someone else.
This is what I thought. I stopped seeing other girls too for a few weeks now. Basically I'm screwed :/
 
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