"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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wow, i got played big time (outdjed),i feel like an AFC

improvingdonjuan

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hey DJ's Im in the stage where certain DJ traits come naturally, C+F, neg hits, i know when i make a mistake, i can read body language, i can read IL, I got the balls to aproach, but there are somethings that i need to learn/incorporate into my personality.

anyway my dj traits come naturaly, so i basically dj every girl around me (just flirting, practicing some dj stuff) so its no wonder that at my workplace i flirt with every girl , and even asked out a couple of them, even after things havent worked out in our dates due to my inexperience (like the 21 year old chick, or the 20 year old) we are friends (its fine with me cause i next them but keep them just to have fun at work and to help me out or whatever)

well i got totaly played by this 32 year old,married woman, she is a flirt, an attention hungry chick, i am aware of this because i know and always knew that we would have a lot of fun flirting and it was a great way for me to practice but nothing would ever happen. so let me tell you how i got played and beaten back into a nice guy

her face is really pretty, but she is chubby,so i would neg her and do my C+F i would kino her alot too, we would flirt so much, and we had lots of fun, i kinoed her but when i turned it up was when i once spanked her and she lid up and seem like she really enjoyed that, so i did it like 3 more times in three different ocasions and she let me. i touch her breasts too and she lets me do that, i touch her legs, we hug, i once even touch her p*ssy and she let me. she would hug me, kino me and all that
but all this fun changed when once i said " hey (the 21 year old's name) if your team wins i will take you to that cofe place you love so much but if mine wins you will take me somewhere fun" and the pretty woman got all red so i told her jokingly not to get jelous that she would have her chance too.

after that day she changed, she got more distant, she kinoed me less,so i started doing something i know i should not have done (i talked to her more, i was persuing while she was backing away) then i realized it and i backed off totaly, but i didnt do it gracefully (i still dont know how to back off but not appear mad, even if im not i appear like im mad cause i dont talk to them i avoid them etc.) we talked but not so much i would be kinda insulting in my negging so she would return it (it was kind of fun). but one day i was walking past her in a hurry like if she was not there so when i said hi she ignored me so i did too, we met up while doing something and she said that i went by and didnt even say hi so i answered " would you like me to go around and look for you before clocking in just to say hi?" she said "yes (smiling" so i said "you are not my girlfriend, even if you were" (with a smart ass tone) so i left.

she went to look for me later and she said "please, dont hurt me any more, you always hurt my feelings" she said it with a really sad face so i huged her and answer "come on dont be sad", but deep down i felt bad (AFC coming out) i felt guilty, sad and many other feelings. i went to look for her and i said " do you really feel hurt ?" she said "yes" and brought out the girlfriend comment she said that she sometimes wanted to cry, I have never been told this so i said i was sorry i didnt mean to hurt her and that she was the girl i like to hang out the most etc. so i ran my hands down her cheek and told her to smile and she got all red and smiled.

i thought that was settled, but no, me naturally being a smart ass would say other comments and she would act sad, and hurt by them. she asked me for a favor and i said no cause i didnt feel like doing it and she got mad, sad, puzzled etc she said " i will never forgive you for what you did to me" i said "i dont care you are the one who gets mad" whe didnt talk for a while, (cause i would help her sometimes but at the same time i would not do what she asked me to do or if she asked me for a favor i would do it sometimes) so her reaction was sort of a surprise. so i asked her if her tantrum had passed and she starting blabing about how mean i am and how i always hurt her feelings so told her she had a way of pissing me off sometimes to the point where i thought to myself "stupid woman" (yeah that was harsh but i was kinda mad) so she sarted tearing up and was about to cry, i felt bad and huged her and asked her to be friends she would not piss me off and i would be careful of what i would say to her in the future so i gave her a big hug she made a mistake with what she was doing and joked " see you got me all nervous"

well finally yesterday we were both more carful but i still used my c+f (not the neg hitting anymore) but i neged her with out thinking about it and she got all sad , so again like an AFC i went and tried to confort her we talked we joked, but this time i really went AFC I told her that she was the only girl that had ever made me feel this way so guilty and walking on eggshells and that she took me too seriously and i probably did too etc i felt bad i huged her then i said noone had ever made me feel this way so she joked and said "and its only on the feelings wait till i really make you feel something noone else has ever done" so i said "yeah you might be able to teach me some stuff (me being 18 and her 32) so we joked sexually for a while and she talked about me being espontaneus in my responses while she could do that, i grabbed her leg and got really close to her p*ssy and said i could be espontaneous in other stuff too. so we joked and stuff, i touched her breast jokingly she seemed ok with it. anyway i smelled her neck and hair ran my hands down her hair and she seemed ok with it, but i know she probably lost respect for me after opening up and blabing about my feelings and how she noticed i get soft when i think i hurt someones feelings.


long ass post but how would you guys handle this , when either she is acting (by preteding to be hurt and crying on cue) or she really is hurt with my personality but she use to joke by negging me too before and all of a sudden she is so sensitive and making me act like a freaking AFC.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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any coments or anything you might want to suggest?
im leaning towards backing off and let her initiate all contact but really dont know how to act on this situation, its new to me.
 

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Yeah I think she's testing you since she was okay with the neg-hits and c&f before and would even return. Therefor, she knows what you are like and she knows she shouldn't be taking it seriously..

Next time she acts hurt, just tell her that that is the way you are.. Don't apologize for the same thing over and over.
And don't apologize for what you are especially since you've worked hard to get this way.. Don't apologize because you are a man.
 

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Originally posted by improvingdonjuan
long ass post but how would you guys handle this , when either she is acting (by preteding to be hurt and crying on cue) or she really is hurt with my personality but she use to joke by negging me too before and all of a sudden she is so sensitive and making me act like a freaking AFC.
Sounds like she has found your weak spot and is using it to manipulate you.

Don't change who you are for anyone. If they don't like it - that's their problem.

But as this chick is married, you shouldn't waste your time on her anyway.
 

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yeah youre right, but why do i feel so bad when i think i hurt a girls feelings? i mean i've been a fun, smartass, for a while and i would have so much fun, and they would have so much fun but
she really touched my AFC core that i thought i had pretty much put under control, i cant freaking stop thinking about her and how she smells and all that. Crap she is a freaking married woman for christ sake i think i should just back off because i knew she was an attention seeking girl but i thought it would be fun to just flirt but i think im playing with fire and getting burned.

if she was single even if she is like 2 my age it would be no prob. but in our situation all the green lights and all the things she lets me cant be taken seriously.

im feeling AFC for some reason but i have to recover
get back up and follow up with calling a chick from school who is 19 and gave me her number.
but i think i need support at this point.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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So pimp its scary

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I don't have the time to read through that whole post, but, I'll offer you the same advice that I would offer someone who fell off their (bike or skateboard, whatever).

"You fell, you got hurt, you can either quit learning, or you can pick yourself up and try again. You can quit anytime, so why quit now?"
 

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lol you hugged her when she started crying over some little neg hits, not once but about 3 times! it looks to me like the afc is still in you
 

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You say you have "NATURAL DJ SKILLS." If you do, why the hell are you here fool?
 

improvingdonjuan

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yeah the nice guy still in there and i hadnt realize this in a while, this nice guy hadnt come out as much as now, oh well after a couple of days i'm back on track. (sexual harrasment????? her body language never said stop or her mouth, she seemed to like it) anyway i got played cause i wasnt ready for this situation when a girl used her "you hurt my feelings" cards on me.

i had gotten many responses, temper tantrum, negging back, acting mad, "you are mean", "shut up" (smile), and i had handdled all of them and had fun, but i guess i had a bump like everyone all there's left is pick my self up and be me, the great improvingdonjuan always learning, and always improving.
its not the last time im going to feel down on my game but this site is more of a support than a learning how thing for me. the learning how i do it on the field.

i got to follow my own advice, "shut up and act like that didnt happen" when girls outplay you.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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