"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Would you marry for money?

bob2007

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When we are young, we're idealists, perfect woman, beauty etc etc.

I'm 29, I haven't found the love of my life. Might not ever.

Would any of you ever marry for money?

Women do it. The powerful in historical times did it. Why not me?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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No, because I believe that it could backfire in some aspect and I would be stuck in a marriage that I didn't want.
 

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For a specific amount of time, for a specific amount, and with a clean divorce that will have no ill effects afterwards. You know, like the way celebs do it lol.
 

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bob2007 said:
Women do it. The powerful in historical times did it. Why not me?
because in most western countries it's only in your advantage if you are a piss-poor, unskilled or disabled male.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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bob2007

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I'm surprised by the support of the mature men. I'd expect younger men would answer differently.

Still tough with a rich girl, it might just be daddy's money after all.
 

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Yes but would a women marry down in financial terms?

Unlikely, particularly if she is hot
 

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you be surprised what good d!ck make women do. and yes i would marry her for money and divorce that her behind and a no fault divorce and make off. oh thats some familiar.
 

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It happens far too often here in the military. They get married just to get off-base housing and crap. I'm trying not to fall into that trap though.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Dear Bob,
"Would you marry for money?"......No way because with it comes control...I could marry for Money right now,as one of my plates is incredibly wealthy,Paid Cash for a Mercedes Benz this Year...She flies First Class Overseas maybe five times a year...has often offered me a ticket to be her company...Two years ago offered me a ticket on a seven week Cruise...No I like my Independence,it gives me treasures mere Money could not Buy.
 

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jimmy18 said:
Yes but would a women marry down in financial terms?

Unlikely, particularly if she is hot
Part of the deal would be .
Shes not hot.
If she was rich and hot AND liked us... we hit the jackpot. 1 in 10 million


I suppose it would feel like work. But we aren't independent... everyone works everyday 8-10 anyways.
I'm talking wealth where, you don't' have work, at least not full time.
 

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If shes not fat and her teeth are ok, where do I sign?
 

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bob2007 said:
When we are young, we're idealists, perfect woman, beauty etc etc.

I'm 29, I haven't found the love of my life. Might not ever.

Would any of you ever marry for money?

Women do it. The powerful in historical times did it. Why not me?
No - I wouldn't. Chasing after someone, for something they provide, is a losing battle. You are denying yourself of something of substance that you can get with with someone who you are truly compatible with.

Plus, there is some real karma for gold diggers of both sexes. Women who gold dig usually end up alone.
 

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No. Because if she controls the money she will hold it over your head. You'll be a dog on a leash, she'll think she can control you. Fvck that.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Absolutely not. I have seen it when the women makes more money than the man, and she usually has the final word. All this preaching on this site about alpha this and alpha that, and when you ask the guys on here, they would still go marry for money in a heart beat. I really thought the answer would be an unanimously "NO"!!!
 

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El Suave said:
Absolutely not. I have seen it when the women makes more money than the man, and she usually has the final word. All this preaching on this site about alpha this and alpha that, and when you ask the guys on here, they would still go marry for money in a heart beat. I really thought the answer would be an unanimously "NO"!!!
Good post. But I tend to disagree.

Isn't Alpha about being a bit independent and not relying on someone to fulfill your needs (emotional and monetarily)?

Some of us may end up dating a woman who makes more than us. My lady made about 30K more than me at one point (not any more) but she is not materialistic, nor did she hold it over my head, nor did she try to assume sort of power over me. She also knew that I could have dropped her at any time if she behaved poorly. I did tell her that I have no problem being by myself.

Once you state your independence, verbally and by action, then you hold control. Women remember everything you tell them (yes..they DO).
 

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Getting married for love sure isn't a smart plan. A lot a lot of variables would go into something like this.

If you guys are familiar with Anna Nicole Smith she was a young stripper/model who married like a 90 year old billionaire. So would I pull a reverse Anna Nicole Smith... Idk maybe Lex Luthor sure made it seem some what bad ass in the beginning of that one Superman Returns movie.

For the most part though unless you're going to go at this full on evil genius you're going to be very sorry most likely. I mean if you're just treating it as a normal marriage your nice bedroom and car are going to come at a very high price that might be worth it if you can get a quick divorce and payday, but not worth a decade of your life... time is precious.
 

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Here's a better idea: Bust your ass to be as prosperous, successful, creative, physically impressive and ambitious as you can until you're 37 (your SMV peak potential age).

Then, if you're still so destitute that you think you need to marry a woman for money, because you haven't met your 'dream girl' and generated that money on your own, by all means, marry a sugar momma.

If you think about it, a never-married 37 y.o. guy would be more of a commodity to all the 'rich' single women in their 40's, made all the richer thanks to their divorce settlements and alimony, made the more tolerant of a penniless man for considering her well after her prime years.

Either way, the longer you wait, the more your SMV equity accrues.
 

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At one point, I heard that the going rate for a marriage-for-citizenship deal was around $20,000.

Shack up with a Eastern European chick for a few years for $20k? I could use a housekeeper for a few years... why not? I've had crappy roommates that didn't pay nearly as much, so...

Perhaps I could move to Utah, become a mormon, and bring over boatloads. Twenty-thousand a head would add up quickly if I had twenty or thirty "three year brides".

I'd build a barracks for my wife army: it would be like the "Fight Club" house, but with Russian chicks out in the garden instead of space monkeys.
:cool:

Otherwise, to an American chick? Fuggin' fuhgedabowdit. Bad return on investment.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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