Would you LTR a single Mommy?

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova


You really, seriously need to pull your head out of your ass. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Let me fill you in on what the law says. The only way in which I would have to pay child support in the event of a divorce is if I adopt the child. Since that isn't happening, it isn't a problem.

Seriously, that's probably one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. [/B]

HOLD ON THERE BUDDY

Thats A LAW in the state of Washington. Look it up. I believe its about to be ammended into some other states as well, if it already hasn't. There are quite a few bills in action right now trying to get passed that would make that a law in several other states as well. Thanks feminists and females in the house/senate . So pull your own head out thank you very much. Mines firmly intact.

 

[GirlCrazy]

Even the guys who say they'd never do it, might meet a girl someday that they totally fall head over heals for and they'd be willing to deal with it for her.

That's exactly what I thought, no chicks with kids, period. But what happens when you meet that one woman who stands out from all the rest, and she just happens to have kids? Happened to me, and I spent about a year rolling it around in my head. I just couldn't find a flaw with her, and even her kids seemed seemed different (in a good way). And it's not like I didn't have plenty of other female admirers. None of them compared, and after a while I just couldn't hold a high interest level in any other woman. So I did the only sensible thing I could think of, I married her!

I want my first experience of raising a child to be with my own kid, not someone else's.

That's exactly what I thought too. But I ended up with two wonderful kids who aren't any less in my mind because I didn't conceive them. My little family isn't exactly how I originally planned to have a family, but I couldn't picture anything better than what I have. I look around and don't see anybody I know with kids they conceived having anything that I don't have.

 

[Sexy_Malibu]

Originally posted by myfriendblu
Its makes a big difference whos method it is. Why? A majority of the time its a MAN using birth control(condom). ALL sexually active females should be on some sort of birth control. there are ten kinds. take your pick.

I love it how girls always leave the birth control up to the man. Condom this and condom that. How bout you get off your lazy as s and get your own birth control as well, this way we don't have to just rely on condoms.

One more thing - If the condom broke, why didn't you go to the hospital and get the morning after pill?

By the way, most people in the world(look at that mess in Africa) don't even use one form, nonetheless two.

Okay blu, now you're just contradicting yourself... aren't you the one who has sworn that no women should be trusted with their birth control anyway?

And although there are several kinds of birth control (more than 10 kinds genius)... condoms are the best method I think for a few reasons...
1. they are the only good DISEASE control
2. the are not permanent or semi-permanent - put it on and you have bc, don't put it on and you don't... because sometimes it takes months to get off a bc method if you decide you do want to have kids
3. they don't take time to become effective (you have to be on certain pills & other methods a while before they actually work)
4. they have no side effects... sure there are tons of kinds of bc for women, but each one has its own side effects (both long term and short term), related health concerns, etc... a lot of the time they really aren't good for your body and there are many people who prefer not to "drugs" and other things into their bodies

And as for the morning-after-pill... you're not really supposed to take the morning-after-pill while you're on birth control pills. Secondly, why would you even think you'd need the morning-after-pill if you're on the pill? Don't you realize that the morning-after-pill is just a combination of the hormones in birth control pills anyway? And even the morning-after-pill is not without its side-effects (one of which, is that it can cause harm to the fetus if it is not successful in preventing the pregnancy).

I swear, you must be one of the most ignorant people on this board... It's always the most ignorant ones who have the strongest opinions and are the most stubborn isn't it?

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Originally posted by myfriendblu
I love it how girls always leave the birth control up to the man. Condom this and condom that. How bout you get off your lazy as s and get your own birth control as well, this way we don't have to just rely on condoms.

She WAS on birth control, if you were paying attention. And it's condom this and condom that because they protect against STDs.

One more thing - If the condom broke, why didn't you go to the hospital and get the morning after pill?

Because she can't use the morning after pill when she's already on the regular pill. Are you dense?

 

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by Sexy_Malibu
Giovanni you have to remember that you're discussing single mothers with a guy who has proclaimed that he will never date one... so what the **** does he really know on the subject in the first place?

LOL....I don't have to "Do" something in order to know about it. Its called Reading, observing other people and talking.

Im not gay, yet I know alot about gay culture
Im not black, yet i know alot about african american culture
Im not a doctor, yet I know A LOT about medicine in a VARIETY of areas.

Its called observation. I don't need to actually shoot someone with a gun in order to know it will kill them. Why? Cause i have seen/read/heard about it.

I have observed single moms in the past. read alot about them, spoken to alot of them, seen there behavior/actions and know people who currently date them. And yup, i have dated quite a few.

 

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova

She WAS on birth control, if you were paying attention. And it's condom this and condom that because they protect against STDs.

[/b]
Because she can't use the morning after pill when she's already on the regular pill. Are you dense? [/B]

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to malibu. go reread my post

 

[Sexy_Malibu]

Originally posted by myfriendblu
LOL....I don't have to "Do" something in order to know about it. Its called Reading, observing other people and talking.

Im not gay, yet I know alot about gay culture
Im not black, yet i know alot about african american culture
Im not a doctor, yet I know A LOT about medicine in a VARIETY of areas.

Okay... sure you don't need to be black to know a lot about African American culture... but you can't ever say you understand "what it's like to be black."

And obviously you don't know that much about it blu, or you wouldn't be so wrong about so many things.

 

[Sexy_Malibu]

Originally posted by myfriendblu
I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to malibu. go reread my post

It doesn't matter WHO you're talking to blu, if you're wrong you're still wrong.

 

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by Sexy_Malibu
Okay blu, now you're just contradicting yourself... aren't you the one who has sworn that no women should be trusted with their birth control anyway?

I swear, you must be one of the most ignorant people on this board... It's always the most ignorant ones who have the strongest opinions and are the most stubborn isn't it?

They shouldn't be. Thats why you wear your own condom for sure. But women need to get into the act as well.

One more thing. I believe the most intelligent people in the world have strong opinions and beliefs. Its the ignorant masses who are easily swayed and don't stubbornly stand up for what they believe in.

Another question - When you first told your baby daddy your pregnant, what did he wanna do with the kid?

If you haven't taken notice yet, Im listening/talking/agruing with you for a reason. its called Learning. Im absorbing what your opinions.beliefs are and listening to what you have to say. i might agree/disagree but Im absorbing it all.

 

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by Sexy_Malibu
It doesn't matter WHO you're talking to blu, if you're wrong you're still wrong.

Again there you go attention whor ing into posts that aren't even about you, with little or nothing usefull to say.

By the way, who are you to judge what is right or wrong. im stating MY opinion.

And one more thing. Take a look at that Poll you little AW. Looks like alot of people here don't want a single mommy either

 

[GirlCrazy]

myfriendblu, I couldn't disagree with you more about single mothers. But I do agree with you about one thing, that it's GOOD to have differing opinions. Men who are thinking about dating a single mom should see all the opinions and make their own choice. Either way this is a good debate.

Take a look at that Poll you little AW. Looks like alot of people here don't want a single mommy either

IMHO they are missing out. But again that's just my opinion, and I'm biased.

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Originally posted by myfriendblu
Thats A LAW in the state of Washington. Look it up. I believe its about to be ammended into some other states as well, if it already hasn't. There are quite a few bills in action right now trying to get passed that would make that a law in several other states as well. Thanks feminists and females in the house/senate . So pull your own head out thank you very much. Mines firmly intact.

First of all, I don't live in Washington, so your original point is moot.

Second, do you really want to debate law with me?

RCW 26.16.205
Liability for family support -- Termination of support obligation of stepparent, when.
The expenses of the family and the education of the children, including stepchildren, are chargeable upon the property of both husband and wife, or either of them, and they may be sued jointly or separately. When a petition for dissolution of marriage or a petition for legal separation is filed, the court may, upon motion of the stepparent, terminate the obligation to support the stepchildren. The obligation to support stepchildren shall cease upon the entry of a decree of dissolution, decree of legal separation, or death.

Note that RCW stands for Revised Code of Washington.

Also, Taylor v. Taylor (1961), Washington's Supreme Court held that a stepfather who stood in loco parentis to his wife's illegitimate son, could abandon that relationship when the parties were divorced and could not be compelled to contribute to the child's support.

Shall I go on, or will you pull your head out of your ass now?

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Originally posted by myfriendblu
And one more thing. Take a look at that Poll you little AW. Looks like alot of people here don't want a single mommy either

Barely more than half, which is pretty interesting for a site like this. We're talking about only 34-29. That's not a very big margin.

 

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
and they may be sued jointly or separately.

Key word there is MAY. I have heard of QUITE A FEW cases in washington were the Step dad was stuck paying child support for a kid that wasn't even his. Listen to Tom Leykis sometime. He has ex step daddies calling in all the time that are stuck paying for kids that aren't his.

And if you haven't noticed, there trying to push this across the US. And NO, I don't wanna get into a law debate with you.

1. this topic is about single mommies, lets not stray
2. Im not all that fond of lawyers.
3. Your opinion is more than biased. Your marrying a single mommy right. Does she read this site? LOL I BET SHE DOES. Hehehehehehe enough said

You a Law student at UM or is it WSU? Nice building BTW, brand new

 

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
Barely more than half, which is pretty interesting for a site like this. We're talking about only 34-29. That's not a very big margin.

Yea, but I bet alot of the "I haven't but I would" peope haven't had much experience with dating period, much less single mommies, and take what they can get.

And Im also willing to bet that the females chimming in picked yes as well, even though the poll has nothing to do with them, LOL

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Originally posted by myfriendblu
Key word there is MAY.

The "MAY" part that you're citing is WHILE THEY'RE MARRIED, Sir-Not-So-Bright. In Washington, unlike many states, stepfathers are seen as having a responsibility to their stepchildren while they are married to the mother. So if the kid goes off and breaks a window, the stepfather can be held liable just like a regular parent. The stepfather also supports the child with reasonable family costs and education, just like a regular parent.

However, once a divorce has occured and the marriage is over, the stepfather is no longer held responsible for supporting the child.

I have heard of QUITE A FEW cases in washington were the Step dad was stuck paying child support for a kid that wasn't even his. Listen to Tom Leykis sometime. He has ex step daddies calling in all the time that are stuck paying for kids that aren't his.

Stepfathers will only get stuck paying child support on a child that isn't theirs if they adopt the child.

And if you haven't noticed, there trying to push this across the US.

The law in question only states that a stepfather is responsible for his spouse's children for the duration of their marriage. There is nothing wrong with that law. During divorce or separation proceedings, the stepfather can petition the court and have their obligation to support the child or children terminated. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

And NO, I don't wanna get into a law debate with you.
1. this topic is about single mommies, lets not stray
2. Im not all that fond of lawyers.

It's probably wise that you don't get into a law debate with me. Also, I'd point out that you were the one who brought up the Washington law and it is still related to single mothers. Therefore, the topic hasn't been strayed from (and if it had been, you're the one who strayed in the first place).

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Originally posted by myfriendblu
Yea, but I bet alot of the "I haven't but I would" peope haven't had much experience with dating period, much less single mommies, and take what they can get.

And Im also willing to bet that the females chimming in picked yes as well, even though the poll has nothing to do with them, LOL

And I could just as easily say that the people who voted "haven't and wouldn't" don't have much dating experience (maybe the reason that they haven't dated any single mothers is because they never dated anyone). The point is, the poll is what it is. You're citing the poll as confirmation of your beliefs when the reality is that the poll is fairly evenly split, regardless of your assumptions regarding those who have answered the poll.

 

[ShortTimer]

I'll probably get flamed for this, but... meh...

Unless they are wealthy, most single-mothers end up having economic problems due to the lack of a second parent aound. Since most people are heterosexual that second parent would be the male. I first read about the below in my criminology class, and is the reason why I personally dislike the single mom setup. If you want to call me old fashioned because I think people should be married for a few years before they start popping out kids then go ahead. For me all I care about is results, and the following are the results of single-mom homes. If people want to have sex before marriage that's fine, but if you're not willing to have an abortion then you shouldn't be having sex.

Here are but a few of the problems primarily predicted by father and husband-absence:

* 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes
(Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)

* 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau ofthe Census)

* 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes(Source: Center for Disease Control)

* 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)

* 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)

* 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all God`s Children.)

* 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)

* 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)

These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:

* 5 times more likely to commit suicide.
* 32 times more likely to run away.
* 20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders.
* 14 times more likely to commit rape.
* 9 times more likely to drop out of high school.
* 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances.
* 9 times more likely to end up in a state-operated institution.
* 20 times more like to end up in prison.

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Out of curiosity, ShortTimer, why would those statistics be a good reason for a guy NOT to become a father figure to a child of a single mother?

 

[DJ Jr.]

I once tried to LTR a single mommy, her daddy ahd died and she had a trust fund with 8 million dollars in it though LOL She ended up being a spoiled princess though and turned psycho eventually...I REALLY DID WANT THIS ONE TO WORK THOUGH!