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Would you be friends with a woman you're attracted to?

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I'm curious to see the responses to this question.

I won't allow myself to be. In my mind, if I am friends with a woman I am attracted to I am validating her assertion that is what I am worth. I had this argument last night with a woman who I am attracted to who wants to be my friend. She was mad at me because I stopped calling and texting her after it became obvious to me that she just wanted "to be friends". I told her that she cannot have her cake and eat it too. She then made the assertion that she has a lot of guy friends and that in some of her past relationships started like that. I fired back and said that I am not going to be an "emotional tampon" for you until you find the next-best-thing. I didn't exactly word it that way but I think she got the jest of it.

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Does she have hot friends she can introduce you to? I'd only make another girl a friend if that was the case. Can you use her to attract other women? You can always take her out as a friend and hit on other women as you being accompanied by an attractive check will increase your social value.
 

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She then made the assertion that she has a lot of guy friends and that in some of her past relationships started like that.
I like the way she tried to use the carrot and the stick argument with you here. I think you did the right thing. If she's not going to give you what you want there's no reason for you to waste your time on her.

"Emotional Tampon". Lol, that is such pickup site jargon. If I ever heard anyone say this in real life, I would know where they got it.
 

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I just think it's funny how these women change when you stop paying attention to them. I was extremely aggressive with her in the beginning. Once she started to piss me off with her hot/cold behavior I turned it off completely. She now calls me every other night. She's really attractive but I don't think her p&^%* is worth the trouble.
 

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Why be friends with anyone who doesn't add anything to your life? If she's not into you , yet is a cool person, I see no reason not being friends. Don't grovel and supplicate like a byotch, but don't completely write them out if they are fun to hang out with.

In honor of keeping w/ my theme of citing examples, here is one similar to your situation. A number of years ago in college, I was dating a chick I was into. Due to whatever reasons, she wasn't into me. At first I took it pretty personally, but decided it was a waste of time to pine over someone and decided to drop it. She was fun to party with, so we all remained friends. After college, we all went our own ways but ended up living near one another in Boston. We all started hanging out at similar venues and chilling again, but I was getting attention from other chicks which must have ramped up her attraction. In time, she bluntly asked me out to date her.

Moral of the story? Get a reputation of having a fun time, getting girls, and having it together. NOTHING makes chicks more into you than getting approval from other chicks. If the chick you are into is worth hanging out with, I say do it. Don't pine over her problems and be the supplicator...be the provider of good times.
 

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I said no and she hasn't talked to me since than. Too bad too because she was on a cheer leading squad for a semi pro local team and had a ton of banging friends. Knowing me, if I ever end up back in the area, i'll end up reconnecting. No one can say no to our get togethers when they happen!!!
 

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I'm "just friends" with hot women IF they have other things to offer me. For example, I knew a chick once who wouldn't sleep with me but got her friend to. Know another chick who is hot, has a boyfriend, but plays tennis with me. I love tennis and don't have a partner so this works.

If they're adding value to your life, keep 'em around. If not, find out something they can do for you to stay in your life. If they refuse or are unable to fill a role that your want or need, then get rid of them.
 

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Dear Chicago,
As usual I agree pretty much with Zarky......I have my daughters,dance partners,Girls I meet Bushwalking....Why More?...many Ladies like to have Men as a Fan Club,an entourage,not for her but for Validation from Female Mates....It's an ego thing,whilst it does happen,escalating such affairs to a romantic level is nearly impossible....As Groucho said"Why would I want to join a Club that accepts me?
 

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I have one that I've known a while. Basically ever since I starting being into her, one of us or the other has been involved with someone. I like hanging out with her and enjoy her company enough to look past wanting to bang her. It may or may not be something that could occur in the distant future, but I don't really sweat it as she's dating someone that I know. We usually just end up hanging out with everybody though as neither of us really make an effort to go out 1 on 1 more than every so often.

In general this is not something that I make a habit of or would recommend doing.
 

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I won't allow myself to be. In my mind, if I am friends with a woman I am attracted to I am validating her assertion that is what I am worth. I had this argument last night with a woman who I am attracted to who wants to be my friend. She was mad at me because I stopped calling and texting her after it became obvious to me that she just wanted "to be friends".
 

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Zarky said:
I'm "just friends" with hot women IF they have other things to offer me. For example, I knew a chick once who wouldn't sleep with me but got her friend to. Know another chick who is hot, has a boyfriend, but plays tennis with me. I love tennis and don't have a partner so this works.

If they're adding value to your life, keep 'em around. If not, find out something they can do for you to stay in your life. If they refuse or are unable to fill a role that your want or need, then get rid of them.[/quote]this is very solid advice

I used to be of the quib that you couldn't, then I ran into a string of women. 2 in particular. This was not that long ago, maybe 1 year ago actually when i was still going to AA. the first was amanda. she was a few years older than me, a body that only michanelango sulpted, perfection. Every bit a D cup, maybe a size wist, leggy, red head, sassy. not a guy here that wouldn't have tagged the **** out of that.

NOw, being perfectly honest, when we first met there was instant attraction between us. she flirted with me like a jr high girl, and while it made me uncomfortable becuase i was seeing someone, truth be told, i reall didn't go out of my way to stop her lol. she would play footsie with me and **** all through meetings. she would get pissy when i didn't sit next to her. she was hot lol. it was so bad that everyone there assumed we were an item, and when i brought my GF up there one day everyone thought i was cheating on her.

we "lasted" for about 5 months. Great gal. she's going to make someone a good wife, she is a woman and under any other circumstances, i would have sapped her up. But she added to my life, she was hard core, still is, in AA, she was my gym partner for a while, i made her lose a good 10 pounds, which made it worse because she was hot before, then she got down to like a size 4 and i was like.. damn. the day i knew that it was probably time to leave this alone, we went to the gym and she needed, we both eneded to take a shower, so we went to her house and she came out of the shower with nothing but a towel on.. i damn near nutted on myself lol. in 3 years that's the cloest i came to cheating on my GF at that moment, as chris rock says,k you know, i can stop chasing *****, but when it's chasing me, i can only run so fast. she knew what she was doing too. it was a test. i felt so bad about the situation i told my fiancee exactly what happened, and told her look, i'm going to cut her lose. my fiancee, not being born yesterday, saw that i took a liking to her, but at the same time, knew nothing was going to happen, and didn't force the issue becuase she saw that she actually added **** to my life. when i needed to vent i'd give her a call and she would talk sense into me, etc. she introduced me to some neat people in AA, she was just a cool cat. eventually it ended, she got tired of "wasting her time" with me (i wasn't leaving my GF) and one day she just asked me what was going to happen between us and i just cut her lose, but she is a great gal, no ill will at all, and it was about the time i started toying iwth the idea of proposing to my GF and i said well, if you are, this type of relationship probably isn't right lol.


anotgher was Stephanie, 19 years old, again, in AA (while i defiantly earned my seat in AA, my god there are some smoking hot women in recovery you would be surprised). i never took her seriously but she was very pretty, very. i thought of her more like a sister which made her want to spend more time with me, we'd go to lunch after meetings, go bowling with my fiancee and friends and **** like that, she hung on every word i said, if she went on a date with a guy she ran him by me.. at any time had i told her look i want to be with you she would have given it up right then.

you k now.. she really didn't add anything to my life lol, she was just cool and i had decided there was nothing there i already didn't' have and more, but we were cool and i was defiantly attracted to her.

the woman who did more for my recovery when i first got clean, is not ugly at all, and i'll be damned if someonet old me i couldn't' call her, we'd go to blows lol. and while she's not ugly, and she's told me before i'm very handsome, we dont' look at each other like that, at all.


i think the problem here is, that, just becu asxe i am attracted to a woman, doesn't mean i want to persue her. i didn't awnt to persue either of these two women. i can find a woman attractive and not necessarily want to **** her. my old oneitis told me multiple times she thought I was very handsome, but looked at me like a brother. i know this to be true becuase whenever she needed an armpeice i was her man.

now for instance, my old oneitis, i wanted to and did pursue and ended u being friends with, or ljbf. I will never again, be friend with a woman that I want to ****, and who doesn't' want to **** me.

but i as long as i don't' have any sexual desire to want to try to **** them i have no problem being friends, but out of respect to my woman unless a woman is seriously adding to my life i wont' just keep females laying around.

I supposed this attitude comes from having been around the block a few times with women. I don't have to play with every toy in the toy store anymore, there are some toys that peak my interest moreso than others however, those are the ones i play with. I can honestly say, while i found her very pretty, i never actually, wanted to put my **** inside amanda for instance (okay the towel incident..maybe lol but come on man i'm a man)

the type of woman my fiancee n eeds to be concerned with is the petite short haird artsy woman, chillin in barnes and noble reading..actually reading, not there to meet guys, ayn rand, listening to her walkman, drinking a honey latte, not paying a damn bit attention to the guys checking her out, with a lot of spunk. I like spunky women. This is why i think the hb rating scale is a piece ****, i'm not going to cheat on my hb 8 fiancee just becuase a woman might be more physically attractive, but the right combination of cuteness and spunk would drive me crazy. Those are women i would not even consider keeping around becuase i'd be too tempted.
 

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My opinion

It really depends on the frame.

It's okay when... You are friends with a hot chick and YOU HAVE NOT made it clear to her that you want more than a friendship. In this instance you are still in control of the situation and have the ability to escalate down the road to something more

It's not okay when... You target a HB and she gives you lukewarm interest and starts to try to put you the friendzone from day one. I am not going to be a friend with a woman who puts me in the friendzone because that just validates her assertion of what I am worth.

Example

I remember our first date and how she said that she felt uncomforable because I was too tall. The second date she was over at my place and I had her to the point where I was making out with her and had a hand down her pants. She then blueballed me and said that we were going too fast. Date three and four was more of the same bs. That is when I told her that I didn't want to date her anymore. That's when I stopped calling and texting her and she up to two days ago was bombarding me with texts and calls. Finally, I decided to talk to her on Monday and asked her what her deal was. She said that she was tired of doing all the work in our "friendship". I told her that I have no place for female friends. Then she did the famous "turn around in my face" deal and said it was me who said I didn't want to date her. I told her after the fourth date that I wasn't going to tolorate her wishy-washy behavior. I then said to her if you really are into me then lets get together Friday night. She then started being flakey again. I told her that I didn't need her friendship. She was then appalled at the fact that I didn't want to be her friend and that was the end of the conversation.
 

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Nope. Of course it used to happen to me all the time when I was an AFC. When I turned things around, I banged a few of my attractive female "friends." After the mystery was over I guess I was friends with them, but I don't consider any of the females I'm friendly with true "friends."

I guess the difference is whether they're attractive, or you're actually attracted to them. I think it's good for single guys to have a couple of attractive female friends for social proof and what not. But if you're actually attracted to them and it affects your own game, it's bad news. (If they offered it to you and you could bang with little effort, obviously that's different.)
 

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I used to be friends with a woman I met from a newspaper personal ad-- it was a while back!
She had a genius IQ and was gorgeous, like Cher Bono's prettier twin sister, and a prettier voice, too. She had a breathy, high sporano voice and she'd talk with thoughtful pauses that leave you gasping for air. I used to save her messages on my answering machine, they were like audio porn, but she wasn't even saying anything lewd.
We'd go to the folk dancing and be a perfect match; we got complimented at least one time that I heard. She used to compete in women's power lifting and that gave her a lot more presence as a dance partner. Some women are like a piece of cardboard.
Sex was never part of our relationship. She was older than me and hitting menopause, plus she had a variety of physical issues that were breaking down her health. I was never allowed to see her legs... she'd driven her VW van into a truck and crushed her legs so badly, it's a wonder the doctors let her keep them.
I adored this lady! It didn't matter so much that it was the proverbial mermaid/sailor story, I just enjoyed spending time together. We could entertain each other endlessly.
She wouldn't allow me to see her at all after a while, and I called it quits.
 

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Hi guys,

After years of being an AFC (I'm pretty much still an AFC but trying to change) I find myself with way too many said female friends. After years of friendship with no action, it's hard to just abandon them. My ideal world would be women friends that I ****ed and the rest guy friends, but getting to that when I have so many female friends that (in classic AFC style) I am not ****ing is difficult. When I make myself unavailable they tend to force themselves back on me, but still no ****ing of course. What do you guys suggest for getting rid of female friends you are attracted to that have become really close friends? Just severe all connection, gradually tone it down, try and use them to get other girls (though this hasn't really happened yet). Hmm... anyway Chicago, I totally sympathize...if you guys aren't already too close as friends, then move on.
 

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My game is definitely very improved over the past few years, but there's one outstanding situation where I lapsed that this thread reminds me of. There was this banging girl who I got on well with, we slept together and it was good for both sides. Then she went away and when she got back, everything changed. She wants to be friends, but I can't really tolerate it at this point. Maybe it's because I don't want to accpet rejection, but in the end, might be happier if we never had sex at all.

Come to think of it, this is a repeating theme. There's a plate that I've been trying to convert to LJBF and am having a hard time doing. So, we reap what we sow.

There must be a lesson in here somewhere, but beats me finding it.
 
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