Would you allow me to share some "black pill" nuke about dating above 30?

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

The consensus is that women age like milk while men age like fine wine..most guys believe that men peak in their mid 30s or even later.

I personally agree that men peak way later than women wheter it comes of looks, strenght, social status and overall however I would like to point a clear fact when it comes of establishing a decent worthy relationship with a woman wheter you reached your peak or you're on your way.

The most instinctual e authentic kind of attraction that a female can experience happens between her late teens and early 20s.
No reasoning, no planning, no calculations..just pure raw genuine desire.

There is no logic there, no maths, no evaluations regarding the future life style, trips or places available to attend.

If she wants you, she wants you right there and you know...her eyes tell you not her words.

You wont be asked about your job, no evaluation about your stability or revenues and it's her emotions to lead not her cold brain.
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Then it comes the mid to late 20s and something chances.

Experience takes over desire, emotions become calculations and raw desire leaves the way to "strategy".

Attraction is now conditional to what you can provide in terms of status, stability, effort, life style and even bags and gadgets...which neighbourhood will be available to her? what social class the people you attend belong to? what parties can you join?

It's no longer love or attraction, it's a investment not any different from your stock purchase or better yet fixed revenue bonds.
It's the same difference between an uncontrollable wild fire and a well planned saturday night barbecue coal fire.

This is why men chase young girls, it's not cause they are easier to manipulate or because they are insecure about their sexual skills...even the body tone is secondary.

Young girls love with their heart, older ones love with their balance sheet where the first one is genuine and the second one is calculated.

Every man wants to feel loved and desired for who he is, not for the items available in his inventory.
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So to conclude, you may be the highest value 35 yrs old guy in town...the harvey specter of this reality yet no matter how higher you score in terms of LMS value you cant have what that 21 years old pool boy that gets kelly in the rich guy garden while they are on vacation, has available to him after she jumps the fence and gets naked with him while the lights are off.

I believe more and more men are understanding this and it explains while the desire to even date (let alone get married) is disappearing in most men even before economical issues after a certain age.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Young girls love with their heart,

This actually bad long term, and unsustainable for marriage in the absence of pragmatic considerations you mentioned.

However, if men only want to experience “genuine burning desire,” then they should eternally rotate young women.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

This actually bad long term, and unsustainable for marriage in the absence of pragmatic considerations you mentioned.

However, if men only want to experience “genuine burning desire,” then they should eternally rotate young women.

I believe genuine love can be kept and built into a mature one, that's how couple managed to stay together while raising 3 kids in the past decades.

The man overworked himself if necessary and she kept her vanity and desire for entertainment under control cause helping him to relax and recover at home was a joy itself.

 

[Divorced w 3]

The consensus is that women age like milk while men age like fine wine..most guys believe that men peak in their mid 30s or even later.

I personally agree that men peak way later than women wheter it comes of looks, strenght, social status and overall however I would like to point a clear fact when it comes of establishing a decent worthy relationship with a woman wheter you reached your peak or you're on your way.

The most instinctual e authentic kind of attraction that a female can experience happens between her late teens and early 20s.
No reasoning, no planning, no calculations..just pure raw genuine desire.

There is no logic there, no maths, no evaluations regarding the future life style, trips or places available to attend.

If she wants you, she wants you right there and you know...her eyes tell you not her words.

You wont be asked about your job, no evaluation about your stability or revenues and it's her emotions to lead not her cold brain.
/



Then it comes the mid to late 20s and something chances.

Experience takes over desire, emotions become calculations and raw desire leaves the way to "strategy".

Attraction is now conditional to what you can provide in terms of status, stability, effort, life style and even bags and gadgets...which neighbourhood will be available to her? what social class the people you attend belong to? what parties can you join?

It's no longer love or attraction, it's a investment not any different from your stock purchase or better yet fixed revenue bonds.
It's the same difference between an uncontrollable wild fire and a well planned saturday night barbecue coal fire.

This is why men chase young girls, it's not cause they are easier to manipulate or because they are insecure about their sexual skills...even the body tone is secondary.

Young girls love with their heart, older ones love with their balance sheet where the first one is genuine and the second one is calculated.

Every man wants to feel loved and desired for who he is, not for the items available in his inventory.
/



So to conclude, you may be the highest value 35 yrs old guy in town...the harvey specter of this reality yet no matter how higher you score in terms of LMS value you cant have what that 21 years old pool boy that gets kelly in the rich guy garden while they are on vacation, has available to him after she jumps the fence and gets naked with him while the lights are off.

I believe more and more men are understanding this and it explains while the desire to even date (let alone get married) is disappearing in most men even before economical issues after a certain age.

As many of here likely know, I just broke up a 3 year relationship with a 36 year old. While I loved her very much, I will say that she came with a lot of baggage, some of which was evident early, and some took a long time to unravel.

 

[Hal9000]

I dont necessarily disagree with a lot of that but men want young women because of their tight ass and perky cans, not the purity of their love. Thats a big miss on your part.

 

[The Duke]

I had one of those late teens/20's girls with burning desire. When she hit 30 she cheated on me and we divorced. Lol.

Look for a woman that balances her emotional desire with logical reasons. They make better choices for the long haul. Too much of one is a problem.

The more miles I drive down this ole highway of life, the more I throw these theories out the window. The only theory I stick to is: There are no guarantees and Anything can happen. I bet ole @Scaramouche would concur.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The consensus is that women age like milk while men age like fine wine...

IF a man prioritizes his own self-care, sure. The past decade-the present has been the age of The Manbaby Shi-lord though, during which looking like what's described here

5:56-6:40

Has been mistaken for an advanced way of existing. The fellas who went this route are going to hold up just as badly as the Omega Males of the mid 2000s(Talking here every Judd Apatow regular, aside from perhaps Paul Rudd)ultimately have

 

[CornbreadFed]

Think it depends on the love language of the guy. I personally don’t like being smothered or dealing with words of affirmation.

 

[Barrister]

I think 95% of women are all wired the same and it’s only a matter of time before their natural instinct to lock down security kicks in. What you say is true to an extent - when they are but barely more than kids 18-20 and aren’t thinking about this sort of thing it’s true they exhibit more genuine emotions. I’d imagine this may partly be because their parents in part are still providing security at this stage of their life. That fades pretty quickly as you alluded to.

Agree with Duke that there are no guarantees but generally speaking you know how they’re going to operate before they do. Generally, the more security you give, the more comfortable and safe they feel and the less need to “show love” back to you since the carrot is no longer being dangled but has been given over. I can say I personally don’t know a single woman who doesn’t operate this way to at least an extent.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The more miles I drive down this ole highway of life, the more I throw these theories out the window. The only theory I stick to is: There are no guarantees and Anything can happen

Sadly, it's tough to become a guru on YT by being honest enough to admit:

"I've got some ideas that can potentially strengthen the prospects of you getting your needs and desires met, same way a skillful martial arts instructor can increase the likelihood of you NOT ending up in a morgue, after a street fight. I don't claim to possess incontrovertible truths though... Many of my thoughts might be flawed in some way, and still others may not work for you EXACTLY the way they did for me. Chances are high you'll have to adapt some of my "teachings" for wherever you're at in life right now"

 

[pipeman84]

The most instinctual e authentic kind of attraction that a female can experience happens between her late teens and early 20s.
No reasoning, no planning, no calculations..just pure raw genuine desire.

There is no logic there, no maths, no evaluations regarding the future life style, trips or places available to attend.

If she wants you, she wants you right there and you know...her eyes tell you not her words.

You wont be asked about your job, no evaluation about your stability or revenues and it's her emotions to lead not her cold brain.

I think this is true for women of average and below average intellect who also probably come from a dysfunctional family. If she's smart and comes from a good family, she knows full well by the time she's 14yrs old how losers look like and behave, doesn't interact with them and avoids certain places (like nightclubs for instance).

This is why men chase young girls, it's not cause they are easier to manipulate or because they are insecure about their sexual skills...even the body tone is secondary.

Young girls love with their heart, older ones love with their balance sheet where the first one is genuine and the second one is calculated.

Every man wants to feel loved and desired for who he is, not for the items available in his inventory.

Correct. But I think any upstanding guy would want that young girl to meet a certain threshold as far as character and intellect goes. What good would it be to be loved by some mentally unstable girl, the kind that becomes groupie to hardened prisoners.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I disagree. Younger women still require the same foundational traits in a man as older women do, albeit on a smaller scale, because the same parameters are needed to inspire desire.

For a younger woman, a man still needs to have resources (e.g., a car in high school, his own room in university), still needs to be part of and respected within a social group (e.g., admired by peers, invited to parties, seen as a leader or someone others look up to), still needs to represent something fantastical or aspirational (like being a gangbanger, a jock, or the popular guy), and there needs to be anxiety and a touch of fear that the man may be gone at any second.

The attraction may appear more impulsive or emotional at that age but it’s not raw instinct alone.

 

[characternote]

hard to argue with much of that

 

[Vanderdonck]

Reminds me of a line from Roger Sterling:

It's like they hit 30, and somebody puts out a light.

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But that's Mad Men, a fantasy world. In reality every 20 something will mature. As one ages, attracting 20 somethings regularly becomes less sustainable.

But even the women in their 20s are thinking long term and planning. They just know the hourglass is running. So they live it up while they can if they haven't settled down yet. They seem like fun loving pixies but if you wanna settle down with one she is liable to become very practical very quickly.

 

[Smok1nAce]

I’d say it has more to do with being able to mold the girl to your liking. And this goes both ways.

The problem is society and living today is tough and will make it break you. In your 30s you start to really see the distance you made. Most women fail. Debt, babies etc.

It has more to do with women being thrown into the fire of life and failing in large numbers. Women are told how very special they are and I think reality hits hard and destroy that facade in their 20s. They become bitterly resentful.

To put it as simple as I can and in a large context. Women can’t compete with men.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I’d say it has more to do with being able to mold the girl to your liking. And this goes both ways.

The problem is society and living today is tough and will make it break you. In your 30s you start to really see the distance you made. Most women fail. Debt, babies etc.

It has more to do with women being thrown into the fire of life and failing in large numbers. Women are told how very special they are and I think reality hits hard and destroy that facade in their 20s. They become bitterly resentful.

You cannot mold people to your liking. It will never work.

 

[characternote]

As one ages, attracting 20 somethings regularly becomes less sustainable.

This seems obvious and is just 'common knowledge' out there in the real world, but in the 'PUA' world, and even on this sub according to some posters, the opposite is true lol

 

[Vanderdonck]

This seems obvious and is just 'common knowledge' out there in the real world, but in the 'PUA' world, and even on this sub according to some posters, the opposite is true lol

I think it's because we're of a type to stay single in our 30s and 40s and have sufficient game to attract young women. So it seems like the smorgasbord will never end.

But as a man ages, after his peak he will find fewer women open to the expanding age difference, plus he won't go out where they're going. It's not impossible and guys who have achieved mastery will ride the wave a long time, but it does end.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

The only way for a man in his 50s to get girls in their 20s is to be in the right place in the right moment...think of well known famous actor shoting movies with young not yet famous girls.

You basically need promixity prolonged in time while holding a larger than life status.

Even if you are an "8" and I see it harder for someone in his 50s...the age alone drops your down 2-3 points for any girl 20+ younger than you.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

Guy in his 50's is not an 8 with exceptions like millionaires and famous persons. Iirc some guy on forums mentioned he is 49 and prolly 9/10 or something. That was really funny post.

Anyway, you can have a successful loving wife and LTR or you can have plate rotation and red pill philosophy of "I'm the king". If you want to have both you can have both in virtual world because it won't happen IRL (probability of having both is nearly 0%) as love is a mutual relationship and foundation are totally different than those on which STRs/sugar daddy relationships are built.

Regarding wife materials - its easy - you look for bubbly chicks with sugar-sweet sexy profiles - you will for sure meet some c-carousel chicks. You are able to look past/through less interesting profiles or profiles of women that present themselves in more classy way (or even like men), that restrain themselves from showing off their physical attractiveness online - you may find some wife material.

You are decent, you search for decency and you demand it - you will attract it.

You are ok with chick showing off her ass or breast to thousands of men online - do not brag about hypergamy in women or chick cheating on you with chadlite - its not like her cards did not flip in front of your eyes before that happened.

You reap what you saw, your preselection sucks because your idea of woman matching your life sucks. There's a reason why some women are high maintenance and some of them even openly admit they are. It's pretty stupid to blame it all on chicks.

Manosphere was built on the idea to educate non-naturals (lets be honest - non-alphas) with alpha like attitude or behaviours. It is at least 30 years of various forms of education/sources of knowledge for men (not to mention anything that father can teach you about life and women if he can teach you) and still everyday there are women online posting their photos or movies of them making sexy poses or wearing sexy clothes - it is enough for hundreds of losers to comment on such posts with comments like "Hey sexy", "sexy feets", "nice", "Hey there" etc. It's like in spite of all the knowledge available around, most of men are still stupid monkeys.