"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Would these be good conversational openers?

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I'm not that good at opening with girls and I just wanted to know if these would be good converrsational openers. If they suck, don't be afraid to say so, maybe give me a few good conversational openers.

"Hey I saw you after school yesterday."

"What did you over the weekend?"

"So, what do you think of the weather?/Nice weather today, huh?"

"What are you studying?"

"What did you do yesterday?"
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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The first was alright for a lead in but depends entirely on what you say next, the second was too familiar to start out with. The weather was lame and cliche. The study question was better, but The last wreaked of the same familiarity the second contained and might put a girl off.

I've never gone wrong with a slight smile and ,"Pardon me, but I was curious..." But the secret to it is that it reflects my personal style. Everything I say, do, or look like lends itself to this approach because it's just me being me. And that is the important thing. Forget every line you've ever heard, stop thinking, realize that the worst she's going to do is say no, and just TALK TO HER LIKE YOU WOULD ANYONE ELSE. Anything obvious indicates insecurity. Stop caring.

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They suck.

Sorry.

Because you have about 5 secs to come across as interesting and different from all other guys, and of high value. And if you work it right, those 5 secs will buy you the next 30. Which buy you the next 3 mins, the next 10 mins, half hour etc...

When you first approach, you need to put your best foot forward. Those openers are boring, and is what every other normal, BORING guy would have said to her.

You have to be different, you must stand out.

And it all depends on the way you deliver it, and may vary depending on the age group of women you are opening.

I am still young, and i can open fine by just being loud and fun, hell i even barked at a girl once.

Just remember, your opener and the way you deliver it must convey that you are different, interesting, and of high value. Not boring "What do you think of the weather" crap.

Good luck.

-Lust.
 
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They suck. They are like questions that her gran would ask her! Or any other AFC that has ever approached her. Ask her something that is a bit out there-one of the best that I heard recently was "Who would you rather sleep with; Scooby Doo or Garfield?"

There was a thread yesterday called something like Pickup videos, an insult to humanity. Find that and watch the 3rd video-the guy isnt great, but at least he has the cajones to open with something a little different.
 
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Francisco d'Anconia

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Lust said:
Because you have about 5 secs to come across as interesting and different from all other guys, and of high value. ...
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:yes: Yep, it's best not to sound just like any other average guy.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Like the other posters said, if you have the nonverbals down then you can say anything, but if your nonverbals arent down and you walk up saying boring openers shell see them an as excuses to talk with her.

Do this for an experiment.

Mission 1- Approach 100 girls open with Hi, my name is X, i had to come over here and meet you. (dont worry about the follow up just let it flow)

Mission 2- Approach 100 girls and open with one of the boring openers

Report back here with your results
 
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Hey,

why not test these out in the field and then come back. Report what you learned to us.

comic_relief
 
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If a tree falls in the woods....

I agree with Comic Relief and Effort.

It doesn't matter what you say. Eye contact, body language, voice tone, attitude, the state you are in is what really matters. Get that right and you can say just about anything.

But beyond that, an opener that is so effective that it blows a girls nickers right off then and there that is only asked about online is nowhere as effective as a stupid opener used in real life.

JJ
 
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Test. As mentioned earlier. Those are just words, and they can work. An opener consists of words, body language, eye contact, your apperance, your confidence, how big of a load you have she perceives, all the things combined together, etc.

Depending on your voice tonation and how you say any one of those, you might come off childish and AFC, but if done correctely you will come off as you are into her.

It don't matter what you say. It is how you say it. A lot of things go with how you say things.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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One of the best lines I've seen before was on Keys To The VIP. The guy opened like this:

"You seem like the type of girl who enjoys the British Broadcasting Corporation"
 
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