"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Would rather have a top quality solid plate / LTR than spin plates

devilkingx2

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I have absolutely no incentive to spin 7s; the very act is devaluing. The only time I would entertain a 7 (who are available at the snap of a finger) would be if I had free time with nothing else to do--which seldom happens.
well I was only offering a solution for those who need a more time efficient way of spinning plates, such as the OP

i'd rather sacrifice the looks of the girl than sacrifice the amount of girls. her looks aren't that important(as long as she's 7 and up) unless it's about bragging rights for you.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I can see why guys leave the game so quickly once they get an LTR on the go. I'm even starting to see the appeal of MGTOW. It's all about cost- benefit.
Haven't you given me sh!t before, for suggesting that LTRs are a legitimate option for men, for many of the same reasons? Congratulations on your growth and being open minded. :up:
 

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I am in a similar position, although I have only been spinning plates for 3 months. I have two young boys though as well, so I really have limited time to keep it going. I currently have 5 different women I am talking to, but really have time for 1-2 max...

My main plate goes against everything here... single mom, two kids, and she is 41 (I am 34). She is an HB7. However, she has to be the most giving person I have ever met. She makes me lunch the next day when I stay the night, brings me little gifts frequently, the sex is amazing (and she is completely open to everything), she has low mileage, has her own house, makes more money than me, interest is sky high, compliments, etc. and I generally just have a really good time with her. Definitely has LTR potential if not for a couple things (male friends, gets a bit too flirty when she drinks)

My thought is stop using OLD, just meet women casually, and when my main is tired of the fvcking or begins to show her true colors, I will have women on standby until I can find another steady plate. Starting over frequently is exhausting and really time consuming. I only have maybe 1-2 nights a week.

She is a cutie, but I wouldn't consider her hot. She has sex appeal, but not the tight body of a 22-year old. She has kids, but also doesn't party every weekend. She is older, but makes good money and owns a place in a good neighborhood in the Bay Area (not easy to do). I would consider her a quality woman, maybe not by SS standards of "hot" and "young" and "no kids", but none of the other 14 women I have dated in the last couple months even come close

One quality plate with occasional short term plates seems like a good fit for me
 

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a woman who truly lives in the moment wouldn't be overly concerned with resources because that'd be future planning
There is a difference between YOUR resources and HER resources. She does not value what you provide, because she didn't work for it. She will spend YOUR money like an idiot... because deep down she believes if something happens to you, she'll just find another plow horse.

Men don't think this way because we know no one is going to give us sh!t. Women will get another man to pay for her sh!t, or if that fails, the government will take care of her. There is a reason why men kill themselves 3-4 times more than women, and why 90% of people living on the street are men. A woman is NEVER completely destitute because she can always find someone to take care of her.
 

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You say you only have two choices. You have to decide which one is more important for you at this time in your life.
I have no game, so at the moment I´m settling for a LTR with a 7-8. I would trade up for a 9 or a unicorn in a heartbeat if I could.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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