"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Hey guys, first post, so lets get to the point,
iv known this girl, im senior, shes junior, im a gamer, and shes a little bit more of a hardcore gamer, yes were talkin WoW (World of warcraft) here, but amazingly shes quite cute, and skinny. So iv already established, phone number, and flowing conversations. She sits right next to me in the back of class, first period. Now it seems as she is afraid to go out, and do any social action, unless her brother is with her, like the norm for to, while she does things, with is mainly just a Gaming shack.
When i try asking her, if shed like to do something the upcoming weekend, or lets get together at this game shack, shed try to bring her brother along, or shed say that she doesnt like to "go outside" and shes basically trying to pull off the isolated, anti-outside gamer girl. So i got tired, and let it be, she was already showing slight signs of interest, but once i really stopped talking to her, she started trying to catch my attention more, with more "Strong" greetings when i first come into class, or trying to talk to me on skype because of some stupid topic she can make up, but before i stopped talking to her, she would never bring up a topic out of the abyss. So Please enlighten me, is she worth my investment to continue, because currently shes the only girl im truly interested in for a relationship. What should be my course of action, because now that shes shown some more definite signs of interest.

P.s- I Do not play WoW, my average gaming a day would be about 3-4 hours, yes it does seem like quite a bit, but usually im gaming 4/7 days a week. This would be my honest evaluation
 
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Dual advice here.

First, your course of action is to stay the course. You've been getting attention when you pull away, so continue to be distant. Then find your opportunity (sooner, rather than later). Have one good, long conversation and secure a date. MAKE A MOVE ON THAT DATE. You probably won't get another unless you do.

Second, are you on track to be the person you want to be in your life?
When you envision the ideal man, one with friends, status and skills, do you think that you will succeed in becoming him with the way your habits are established? It would take a lifetime of consistent work, but you could become that man. You only get one life to live, why do you insist on wasting it?
 

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LearningSlowly said:
Dual advice here.

First, your course of action is to stay the course. You've been getting attention when you pull away, so continue to be distant. Then find your opportunity (sooner, rather than later). Have one good, long conversation and secure a date. MAKE A MOVE ON THAT DATE. You probably won't get another unless you do.

Second, are you on track to be the person you want to be in your life?
When you envision the ideal man, one with friends, status and skills, do you think that you will succeed in becoming him with the way your habits are established? It would take a lifetime of consistent work, but you could become that man. You only get one life to live, why do you insist on wasting it?
Hello and thank you, now for your second part, is this concerning, if i do have life consuming gaming habit's? My habits are quite progressive currently, im not an intense gamer or anything of such sort, but the person i am pursuing is one i can say might have her goals or priorities confused currently. But yet this is high school, and some are still trying to find themselves, or even most.
 

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Just establish a meet up with her at her place or with her brother. If he's a cool dude and you're just being yourself and intentful (sincerity), then it should be cool.

I know this is generic, but going for several girls will solve so many problems.

I love how open you seem to be towards advice. Not many newcomers are. They see what they want to see in our advice. It bothers me so much.

Secondly, I know how it is to be an avid gamer. I played A LOT of CSS before. I was a gamer from 4th to 9th grade. Ranging from the occasional 0, to the average 3-4, to the occasional 20. Gaming ****s you up. Especially when it involves retaining a skill, keeping a responsibility (towards your friends/team), or continuing further, because you've spent so much time on it already.
Trust me, it's not worth it. Quit very soon. Spend some time figuring out what you could do instead. Link some pain to gaming and pleasure to doing productive things.
 

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NorwegianDJ said:
Secondly, I know how it is to be an avid gamer. I played A LOT of CSS before. I was a gamer from 4th to 9th grade. Ranging from the occasional 0, to the average 3-4, to the occasional 20. Gaming ****s you up. Especially when it involves retaining a skill, keeping a responsibility (towards your friends/team), or continuing further, because you've spent so much time on it already.
Trust me, it's not worth it. Quit very soon. Spend some time figuring out what you could do instead. Link some pain to gaming and pleasure to doing productive things.
I was into RPGs in elementary/middle. Started on Runescape, got addicted to that until I was pulling 15 hour days on it. Then Guild Wars. Got just as bad. A few other random ones mixed in. Once I got to high school my social life got significantly better and I quit all of them.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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LearningSlowly said:
I was into RPGs in elementary/middle. Started on Runescape, got addicted to that until I was pulling 15 hour days on it. Then Guild Wars. Got just as bad. A few other random ones mixed in. Once I got to high school my social life got significantly better and I quit all of them.
Lvl 79 runescape and tried some mythwars game rpg thingy too.
 

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Atomskx, can I have your email? I think I heard of your name before...if I recall correctly you're pretty....high profile at the game you play.
 

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Speaking from experience, one of the best things I've ever done was quit video games.
I used to play like 3-4 hours a day for about 4/7 days like you.
This was until I came to the realization of, "what is the purpose of me playing all the time?"
My freshman and sophomore years I played video games, and my grades weren't that great.
In my junior year and senior year, I worked my ass off at school and got into a very good college. If it wasn't for quitting video games, that probably wouldn't have happened.

Ever since that time, I have been trying to improve myself in other areas. I used to be reluctant to do anything, now I am more open to doing things and work on my social skills.

The best way to quit is by doing other things to occupy yourself. After 2 months of not playing video games, I couldn't play a video game again without easily getting bored. Also realize that all your achievements in games mean NOTHING in the real world.
 

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Looks like everyones doing their video game coffessional in this thread so heres mine: I was always a big gamer ever since my parents got me and my siblings a n64 for christmas when i was like 6. I kept on playing all through middle school. Worst descison ever. I had friends at school but during the weekends all i did was game while my friends were out getting *****. The only sport i played was football and i was pretty decent but i didnt do any other sports in the offseason due to gaming so all the other
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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kids got faster and stronger than me and im seeing the effects now because ill be a senior next fall and will ride the bench all football season. I cant even imagine where i would be with girls and sports if i never gamed back in middle school. My kids definitally wont be growing up with video games. Sorry for having to split this post but my mobile device limits characters.
 

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Atomskx, can I have your email? I think I heard of your name before...if I recall correctly you're pretty....high profile at the game you play.
iv just started using the name Atomsk, if you find me on Swtor, thats probable me, but ok ok, umm lets get back to the main topic here, let me through in some more info here about her
Shes never had a relationship, well thats pretty much all i can think about adding right now, but yea more tips would help,
and on the other hand, dont worry about my "Life-style" its balanced.
 

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I never was really into gaming, but I was into computers for quite a while - I was what you might call a script kiddie. Maybe it didn't kill me as much as it did everyone else, but now that I'm off the PC more or at least doing useful things on the PC, my life has gotten better.

Hate to break it to you, but 4 hours a day on video games is not "balanced". Social playing (playing with flesh-and-bone friends, not online) is fine, but drop the games. Seriously. Life will get so much better.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Video games? I've dodged that bullet.

Ha ha.. fun thread. It reminds me of my own experience with video games.
It was a couple of years ago.
Wow.
I started playing a trial then I told my friends who started playing too. Soon I was playing on an official server so my parents had to pay monthly for it.
I was clearly addicted. I was talking a lot on the phone while playing as well.
I remember days when I was playing a minimum of 8 hous a day.
I remember going at some relatives on holiday on summer. They had a PC. After installing the game I was playing from 8 or 9 AM to 2 -3 PM the other day. Basically ALL day with breaks just for eating or something.
It was BAD.
So... those who play know that it's not just a game. It becomes an addiction ( I'm lazy now and I won't look up the numbers).
So my parents limited me to 8 h a day I remember. I was negotiating on more ha ha ( if you can imagine).
One day my father forbided me to play anymore.
And that was it.
I don't remember this but my parents say I was very upset after and I was looking at them as though I hated them r something.
Tell you something, it was for my own good and that measure was necessary. I am thankfully for that.
So.. the best way to stop such a thing is just that. Stop. Nothing and no more.
From my experience with addictions.. after a couple of months or so.. you can CONTROL it. Of course if I see that game I may be tempted to play but I can control it.
Figure out , honestly if it's and addiction.
Do what it takes so you can control it. Don't let it control you.
 

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Pozitron said:
One day my father forbided me to play anymore.
And that was it.
I don't remember this but my parents say I was very upset after and I was looking at them as though I hated them r something.
Tell you something, it was for my own good and that measure was necessary. I am thankfull for that.
After reading your post about your parents, I think you should tell your dad if you havent already.
 

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He knows it was the best thing and I remember we talked about this.
Anyway, that crap with my parents has passed.
The thing about my family is I can't hold a grudge with them I can't be upset with one of them no matter how how I try or how much they dezerve it ( don't know why, maybe because I love them).
They are good parents, no matter what.
 
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