would going to see a psych help ( happy new years guys)

[Packers2010]

for the past month things... there not good. i think i have been handling them well. though it's getting worse.

my home life isn't great and to say my Christmas was good. is like saying romro can throw a football. he can't. there are so many goals i won't to complete this year, though right now i don't feel as well as i want to mentally. ( mainly because i went to see that girls I've been texting. it didn't go well though it didn't go bad i don' think. i need to be more aggressive. )

there are 2 sides to me right now. the one that pours out for attention like this. IE post this thread. and the one who says just get on with the fookin job. there as been so many threads i would have maid though this second personality kicks in and says it's not worth it.

it's so hard to explain. i sit here hung over, annoyed i went to see the girl i am fall for ( yeah, i need to get more girls) and i'm pissed i never kissed her. sure i don't think the opportunity came up last night, but i could have just grabbed her and done it, but i didn't. it's like, " i don't know how" but when you think about it it's easy. you walk up to her grab her face and kiss her.... so why is it so hard?

I've had an easy life, and everything I need ( food shelter clothing and few extras on the side) has been given to me. i feel bad, becuse i WANT to go sort this out, but i always feel like I am a poosy for doing so. like my problems are nothing. it's just me being less of a man or something... i'm not quite sure.

i don't really have anyone i can talk to about this stiff. my folks are kicking off here and i am in the middle, my dad is an alcoholic. my mum just dose most of her things out of spite and is annoying as hell. i really would like to just press ctrl alt del and find the escape key. it's too much for me. everything too much for me it's so pathetic. like i have a good life. i mean everything is handed to me. the ONLY thing i have ever had to work for is my cert 3 in financial services. witch i got! i'm so proud of myself.

I've always been told i am a P.O.S from every one in high school, to my mother on a dial basis. since school was so crazy ( teacher fooking the class over) i haven't had time to think. i'm on 6 week holidays. so straight after the stress of school i found a depression witch i haven't felt since i was 16. it was pretty alarming. i spent a week staying up all night till the dawn and watching skins. ( don't ask me why i don't know why it was skins, though i really felt for the char. in that show)

i think i NEED to go so i can get my head right, it hasn't been right for a long time. i know that, if i'm going to make the lofty goals i have set myself for this year, ( will post them up later in a different thread. ) then i will have to get my mind right so it can focus on the task at hand. not trying to to wort out the mess that's up there.

i just want to be stronger mentally because when i come it comes to **** tests, I'm failing them pretty bad right now. maybe i just need to have 1000 of them so i have the reference exp. but being more mentally sane right now can't hurt.

we was coming home from the casino last night in a taxi, i was next to the girl I've been texting and i pointed to one of the tall bank buildings. i said " i'm going to be working at the top of one of those one day" i smiled when i said it. it made me feel good. just to say it out allowed. i'm smiling right now as i say it.

i know this is one hell of a crazy rant, but my question is do you think it would be worth the money being spent on going to see a psych? I've been to one in school, only because they made me. it wasn't for very long and i hated it. ( the person i saw was Russian and i hated her. ) maybe if i mind the right person it might work out.

 

[Packers2010]

yes this is one hell of a ramble

 

[Interceptor]

Packers2010,

It appears that yes, perhaps seeing a psychiatrist might not be a bad idea for you.

There is a lot going on here. Very deep, and has been going on for many years. So a lot of what is going on is deep rooted.

What will help, although I dont know how willing you are to do it, is to actually start focusing on certain things.

Identifying things, is a good step to understanding. Understanding things can then help us resolve, or solve them, if they are problems, and help us build a more solid concept or our circumstances, our reality.


So I ask you to take a moment, today, and write down, in a list...

each thing that you feel has had a Negative Impact on you.

Write out each incident, experience, etc.

Then...

Write out what is it that you DO appreciate now? What do you feel IS good in your life , now?

Remember, this is a real Mission. This is part of Men's journey, and quest in life. Its no joke.
You have to take time to reflect, and identify, and then work on solution.

Write down a list of Goals, accomplishments, and experiences you want to accomplish.

Last, look at each bullet point from the Negative list, and the Goals list.

Leave the Appreciation, Gratitude list alone for right now.

And on the previous lists, you will have to decide if there is anything, any real solution, resolvement, whatever...that you can Control.

If its someone else's problem, you have to decide "Can I fix it? Am I responsible for this?"
So for each issue, you must decide if you can change it, and you have control over it.

If you dont have control over it, and cant change it. Then you have to find a way to make peace with it.

If you DO have control over it, and you want something different, then you must make a plan.

Because you are kind of all over the place, YOU are a person who needs to accomplish this Mission. No one else can do it for you. No one else is in your head and heart. No one can sort out your problems.

So you have to make an effort, here and now, to step up for yourself. And begin the process of sorting these things out for yourself.

If you take the time to write out these things, and read them, and start the process of actually comprehending them..then you will have something tangible. Something to work from. Something to inspire and motivate you.

You can look down and in your hands you see your life reflected.

One of the things you must do is doing things you enjoy, and leave you feeling fulfilled. You MUST start doing certain activities that bring you joy.
You must recognize that being Depressed has its own weight, and consequences, and it drains the joy out of previous joyful activites and experiences. Armed with this knowledge, you must act, and counteract it.

Things like working out consistently.
Motivating music.
Taking time to be out in nature.
Doing creative activities.
Even things like training in self defence helps too.

You must feel your life is Worth it. So you must do. You must act.

The energy you get from that will help propel you further, and motivate you.
If you feel your life is worth it, you will have more reason to do the things you love, and feel enough desire to act on a plan to change your circumstances.


This in turn will help you be better prepared to meet with a psychiatrist to help you sort out what patterns, experience, behaviors etc you can identify, and work on changing.
Youve trained yourself to think of things in a certain way for so long, you believe there is no other way to look at things. But there are.

So take your time to Identify what is What.
Take the time to assert yourself against your conditions and circumstances.

This is the first step. This is being Mature, and Responsible.
This is being the Warrior. Be aware you will have ups and downs. But what you learn will help keep you more on an even keel.
Every dog has his day. Every warrior sometimes takes a knee.

But you need to look at this long term. And recognize these are habits you must form for your future.
You have to be your own drill instructor and mentor.
You have to assume the responsibility for your own Well Being.

People dont talk about it. But it exists.

So take a moment, and start your preparations for these things.
And realize there is no going back. THIS is what you do from now on.

Recognize each point. Identify it. Meditate on if you can change it or Not.
If you cant, you must get to a place of peace with it. If you CAN, then you must decide if YOU are worth fighting for. And then ACT on it.

You are on a Mission now, P2010.
How well you DO on it depends only on you. Have strength. Have patience.

Understand that at some point everyone must realize these things.

People change with irritation. Something always changes.
We all live in Life's "pressure cooker". How we come out on the other side has a lot to do with US.

Start facing this.

Go get started.


Good luck.

 

[Packers2010]

thanks for the post man. i am going to do these things now as for i have a lot of free time ( witch is spent texing the only girl in my stable right now )

so i need to gte busy again now that the holidays are over. i will go see someone about my problems. i just need to come up with the money first! though i will take your advice and start work on it ASAP!

 

[dap]

Bradd, you are mistaken. Psychiatry is very valuable.

 

[jammer]

I agree with Brad here, we've become a nation of pvssies where we plead for help every time we run into a bit of a problem. Packers in not suffering from some kind of mental illness. He's not a schizo, nor is he homicidal. He may have had a bit too much to drink lol but that's not really a sign of a need for psychiatric services. Some of you guys talk about seeing a psychiatrist as if it guarantees it will help Packers solve all of his problems. I can't tell you how many people I know have seen a psych and were terribly disappointed with the service they received.

Packer is just going through some tough times, and it isn't anything that can't be solved by a little bit of good old fashioned manning up. Maybe Packers can keep himself busy, he's doing very well in school so far, maybe he can find some more hobbies or as brad suggested become more active and fit.

Sometimes we need to just man up and solve our own problems without depending on other to solve our problems for us.

 

[Alvafe]

I would say he just need to find something to do, something who keeps his mind a little busy like he said he is on vacantion possible he don't leave his house too, he don't get much sun and don't talk much.

best he can do now is go out and think over other things, let things settle on his mind before he do anything.

psychiatric is a valid thing? it will depend on how much the person who is working and who you are, I know for sure will not work for me, since I kind read a lot of this things and most of what he talks I will just shield it like a way to manipulate me in a way to or lower my standard or will find something wrong with is not wrong, it also depend on if you are the kind of person who like to talk about things or not, if he is not it will not work.

just find something you like do it for a time and let your mind settle a little then you should solve things, work for me several times, i'm doing something then out of blue my mind come to a solution because or I saw something or I was cool enough to let all thing settle then I ideas come to my mind.

but like all people here are saying its up to you to see what will work most for you.

 

[SayWhat]

I went to see one and I kept it at one session. In all fairness, this was just a session to get to know the problem, but for me it was enough because of all the BS she told me.

Basically, I started feeling so negative about myself after my latest breakup. I got into this thought pattern that I was not worth anything. This was at the age of 20. But OF COURSE everything for those psychiatrists boiles down to the fact one of my parents died when I was 12. Yes, it was harsh, but I got out of it and had a normal youth. I just know it's due to this girl, but no, not for them. I tried to talk about this break up, but she always changed the subject to the death of my parent.

Don't waste your money.

 

[Packers2010]

dap, no i am not mistaken. Packers is fully capable of solving his problems on his own, and depending on others to solve it for him will not necessarily improve his situation.

i'm not expecting them to solve them for me. i know i have to come to the conclusion myself. i just have NO one to talk to. my home life is a **** storm and no one REALLY knows about it. i just want to tell some one about it. you know.

today for example. i work out the reason why i keep fantasizing about have a family with this girl i met is because I've never really had a family. i mean. i have family MEMBERS but it's never been am family.

i had to get there on my own. i lay down on my bed and talk out loud to myself for 30 mins while no one was home.

 

[Packers2010]

I would say he just need to find something to do, something who keeps his mind a little busy like he said he is on vacantion possible he don't leave his house too, he don't get much sun and don't talk much.

this is true. though it's been 40C every day for the past week and a half now. it's been so hot outside i have sweat out at least 10KGS.

so i never made it out. it's cooling down soon so yeah, i should be out.

 

[dap]

dap, no i am not mistaken. Packers is fully capable of solving his problems on his own, and depending on others to solve it for him will not necessarily improve his situation.

Psychiatrists do not solve problems for you. You don't understand psychiatry. Psychiatrists (who are physicians) are perfectly able to tell you that your condition is mild and something that you can solve without intervention if that is the case. There is no shame on getting an expert opinion. You and I are not mental health experts. Many mental illnesses are life threatening (and easily treatable), so I suggest that you keep this in mind when advising people not to go to the doctor.

 

[JohnChops]

Psychiatrists do not solve problems for you. You don't understand psychiatry. Psychiatrists (who are physicians) are perfectly able to tell you that your condition is mild and something that you can solve without intervention if that is the case. There is no shame on getting an expert opinion. You and I are not mental health experts. Many mental illnesses are life threatening (and easily treatable), so I suggest that you keep this in mind when advising people not to go to the doctor.

Pft I cant believe they are able to call themselves "physicians" now. Makes me sick to my stomach. I think they leech on other peoples problems to make themselves money for the problems that those people could have fixed themselves in the first place. Psychology hasnt even always been called a "Science" by definition until recently it has changed to involve using psyc to understand biological reasoning.

Mental illness, you mean treat them with more drugs? thats all they do. They do not fix anything, they treat them with drugs. Drugs drugs and drugs.

Go see a therapist if you want someone to talk too, dont let a psychiatric doctor give you drugs just because they dont want to talk to you and just make money off the prescriptions they hand you. And yes therapist and a psyc. doctor are different... very different. Psyc. doctors are where you get prescriptions filled and therapists are where you can actually talk out your problems.

Therapist > psyc. doctor if you had to choose one. Ergo brad is right, they dont do sh1t.

 

[dap]

Pft I cant believe they are able to call themselves "physicians" now. Makes me sick to my stomach. I think they leech on other peoples problems to make themselves money for the problems that those people could have fixed themselves in the first place. Psychology hasnt even always been called a "Science" by definition until recently it has changed to involve using psyc to understand biological reasoning.

Mental illness, you mean treat them with more drugs? thats all they do. They do not fix anything, they treat them with drugs. Drugs drugs and drugs.

Go see a therapist if you want someone to talk too, dont let a psychiatric doctor give you drugs just because they dont want to talk to you and just make money off the prescriptions they hand you. And yes therapist and a psyc. doctor are different... very different. Psyc. doctors are where you get prescriptions filled and therapists are where you can actually talk out your problems.

Therapist > psyc. doctor if you had to choose one. Ergo brad is right, they dont do sh1t.

Psychiatrists have always been physicians, maybe you are confusing them with psychologists? You are correct, however, in pointing out that they use medications for treatment (like all other physicians). Psychiatrists have among the lowest salaries of all physicians, so they definetly didn't go into the field to get rich. After undergraduate they have 7 years of additional education and accumulate hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition loans to pursue the field they love. Psychiatric medicine in evidence based, meaning that it is a proven fact that the medicines save lives and reduce symptoms. Ignorance about psychiatry and the stigma that "bros" perpetuate by saying that it's not "manly" to use a psychiatrist is the reason why people with treatable conditions don't get the help they need and sometimes die as a consequence. I have nothing left to contribute to this thread and won't be reading it anymore. Just realize that it is sometimes OK to give advice on something that you know nothing about (eg, dating tips etc), but when lives are at stake you should leave it to the experts.

 

[JohnChops]

Psychiatrists have always been physicians, maybe you are confusing them with psychologists? You are correct, however, in pointing out that they use medications for treatment (like all other physicians). Psychiatrists have among the lowest salaries of all physicians, so they definetly didn't go into the field to get rich. After undergraduate they have 7 years of additional education and accumulate hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition loans to pursue the field they love. Psychiatric medicine in evidence based, meaning that it is a proven fact that the medicines save lives and reduce symptoms. Ignorance about psychiatry and the stigma that "bros" perpetuate by saying that it's not "manly" to use a psychiatrist is the reason why people with treatable conditions don't get the help they need and sometimes die as a consequence. I have nothing left to contribute to this thread and won't be reading it anymore. Just realize that it is sometimes OK to give advice on something that you know nothing about (eg, dating tips etc), but when lives are at stake you should leave it to the experts.

Well, on 1 hour of sleep I can see why I mixed them up haha. Disreguard that statement I made then . I just hate the word "bro" .... I never said it wasnt "manly" im just saying you dont need a substance to bring yourself back to baseline. Just because its a legal drug doesnt mean it helps your body. For example, adderall, most abused "smart" drug out there. Adderall is a legal amphetamine and it is horrible for your liver, catabolic to your muscles, and is addictive. I dont even like taking medicine as is, even fvcking all that Dayquil etc destroys antibodies in your immune system. Hence why not using medicine is actually better than using it. OF course we want "fast" recovery so many people would opt for the medicine to get better than to let it pass/work on it yourself.

 

[JohnChops]

They think all illnesses are made by disorders of hormones and neurons.

They think a pill will solve your problems. You're better off doing Heroin in vein than taking that ****...

some actually are and the funny part is you can THINK your self into something like depression. You know people have actually died because of organ failure caused by being depressed which was induced by THEM? Your mind should be your strongest muscle (even though its not one ) . I think its funny how you can think yourself into anything really, the mind is one powerful presence.

 

[flashpoint]

let's suppose you go see a therapist for a while and it works out for you, how will things be different then? what do you expect to have happened?

 

[Packers2010]

NOW HIT THE LIGHTS !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSOjCZpEauY

thanks for the advice man.. but your youtube vid sucks.

it's ALL OF THE LIGHTS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00o45nT1USo

REMIX!!!!!!!

 

[Packers2010]

let's suppose you go see a therapist for a while and it works out for you, how will things be different then? what do you expect to have happened?

good question bro.

i want to have a " blank canvis @ in my mind. i want to be able to reboot it. uts let it go back to 0. instead of 194087598670935673097865

once there i will start to build up my brain again.

that's what i wanted to happen last week.

this week after taking a look at this thread. maybe it's just better if i leave it how it is and just ignore it? i mean. it's not bad, i though it would help me open up my mind more. but after talking to myself and see i can get there myself.

 

[flashpoint]

good question bro.

i want to have a " blank canvis @ in my mind. i want to be able to reboot it. uts let it go back to 0. instead of 194087598670935673097865

once there i will start to build up my brain again.

that's what i wanted to happen last week.

this week after taking a look at this thread. maybe it's just better if i leave it how it is and just ignore it? i mean. it's not bad, i though it would help me open up my mind more. but after talking to myself and see i can get there myself.

u could try a little thought experiment here. like imagine there is a blank screen right in front of you. you can put it whereever you feel comfortable with it so you have a good vision. then turn down the light until there is nothing more than the screen visible, like a whiteboard for your mind.

now you start rebuilding what you think is supposed to be in there. you can put things in, take em out, move em around, make them bigger, smaller, bright, dark, whatever you like. it is like trying out what it would be like to have that counter reset to zero. and the choice would be all yours. you rebuild that thing as much as you like until you think your done.

the interesting question again is once you have successfully rebuild your brain, how will things be different then? how will you notice that they are? what do you see as the first small sign, that tells you "ya that did work quite well, didnt it".



a variation could be to do something similar but purposefully start with things that you like about yourself and your life, doesnt have to be big stuff more these little things you might not usually notice while they are there, but surely miss when they are gone. maybe keep a journal about that for a while, so you dont miss anything. then think or ask about what others might like about you and your life, again from small to big. explore both a little bit. finally look for what you like to have in your life building upon that. these are the challenges you will be going for then. step by step.

 

[ebracer05]

I think some perspective could help you but I don't know that you need to see a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist is a medical doctor who prescribes medicine for psychiatric disorders. Unless you think you have a psychiatric disorder that needs medical therapy, I wouldn't go because whatever medication he would prescribe you has the potential to make your recovery that much more difficult. If you told all of that to a psychiatrist, the potential is there to end up an an agent like Seroquel, which I do not think will help you.

I think there is a lot of merit in what Bradd told you - these sorts of problems are best worked out on your own. If you are going to see any sort of a mental health professional, find a psychologist or a counselor, preferably someone that someone you know who is in a healthy emotional state can vouch for. There are a lot of lousy mental health professionals. That being said, if you are ready to pony up a minimum of $40 per hour for these services, it would do you some good to spend some time trying to work this out yourself.

A third party will never have the same vested interest in your well being that you do. I'll make a few observations that I want you to think very hard on and answer seriously and completely:

my home life isn't great and to say my Christmas was good. is like saying romro can throw a football. he can't. there are so many goals i won't to complete this year, though right now i don't feel as well as i want to mentally. ( mainly because i went to see that girls I've been texting. it didn't go well though it didn't go bad i don' think. i need to be more aggressive. )

Why is your home life so bad?

What goals didn't you accomplish and why do think you you didn't?

Why have you made a main component of your mental state contingent upon a girl you barely know... and why aren't you being more aggressive?


there are 2 sides to me right now. the one that pours out for attention like this. IE post this thread. and the one who says just get on with the fookin job. there as been so many threads i would have maid though this second personality kicks in and says it's not worth it.

It's hard to "get on with the job" when you are in the midst of a battle with your self. You cannot win the war with others if you have not already won it with yourself. Do you think a two front war sounds like a good idea?

Why do you think you have a side to yourself that craves attention so? Attention is a form of validation from others, so why do you seek that validation and why do you think you need it? Don't you think you have what it takes to find what you're looking for, or do you believe you will never find it alone? Be careful with this one and don't give the answer you think is right or that we want to hear, give the answer that is true for you right now. Are you seeking fulfillment internally or externally?

it's so hard to explain. i sit here hung over, annoyed i went to see the girl i am fall for ( yeah, i need to get more girls) and i'm pissed i never kissed her. sure i don't think the opportunity came up last night, but i could have just grabbed her and done it, but i didn't. it's like, " i don't know how" but when you think about it it's easy. you walk up to her grab her face and kiss her.... so why is it so hard?

You are battling yourself. "I should have just dont it". "The opportunity didn't come". "I'm p*ssed". "I should have". I should have. I should have. I should have.

When will you finally do it?

Not to add insult to injury, but do you see what you are doing here? Successes definitely synergize but so do failures. Every time you have something in your head that you want to do, like make a move on the girl, and you don't, you have only further trapping yourself in this pattern of behavior.

Do you have any idea why this is so hard for you? Do you have experiences in your past you need to resolve?

I've had an easy life, and everything I need ( food shelter clothing and few extras on the side) has been given to me. i feel bad, becuse i WANT to go sort this out, but i always feel like I am a poosy for doing so. like my problems are nothing. it's just me being less of a man or something... i'm not quite sure.

An easy life can be a Godsend for some and a liability for others. It was a liability for me. You have probably not had to work quite so hard for things and developed some lazy patterns, which is why you find it hard to "get the stones" to do things like make a move with a girl. In your life, have you had to do things that have been very hard and stretched you to your core very often? For some people, experiences like that are their life. That is how my father grew up and probably why he never had the issues I had growing up as a doctor's son... he had to literally fight for almost everything in life and I didn't have to do much at all.

You will also never find a resolution to any of your issues if you are minimizing them. So stop doing that. Don't dramatize them, but if they are causing you distress, accept it.

i don't really have anyone i can talk to about this stiff. my folks are kicking off here and i am in the middle, my dad is an alcoholic. my mum just dose most of her things out of spite and is annoying as hell. i really would like to just press ctrl alt del and find the escape key. it's too much for me. everything too much for me it's so pathetic. like i have a good life. i mean everything is handed to me. the ONLY thing i have ever had to work for is my cert 3 in financial services. witch i got! i'm so proud of myself.

You won't find the answers to your problems with alcohol - you are actually risking turning in to your father. Stop it.

You may have had a good life in a way, but if your parents act out, that is a liability that is not trivial. Why haven't you left home? If you did, it would provide a challenge for you (you would stop having things handed to you and have to fight for things) and you would not have your parents dragging your state down. Are they really so bad? If they are, what will you do?

And why aren't you focusing on what you are doing right, like your cert 3? I don't know what that is, but it sounds good!

I've always been told i am a P.O.S from every one in high school, to my mother on a dial basis. since school was so crazy ( teacher fooking the class over) i haven't had time to think. i'm on 6 week holidays. so straight after the stress of school i found a depression witch i haven't felt since i was 16. it was pretty alarming. i spent a week staying up all night till the dawn and watching skins. ( don't ask me why i don't know why it was skins, though i really felt for the char. in that show)

i think i NEED to go so i can get my head right, it hasn't been right for a long time. i know that, if i'm going to make the lofty goals i have set myself for this year, ( will post them up later in a different thread. ) then i will have to get my mind right so it can focus on the task at hand. not trying to to wort out the mess that's up there.

i just want to be stronger mentally because when i come it comes to **** tests, I'm failing them pretty bad right now. maybe i just need to have 1000 of them so i have the reference exp. but being more mentally sane right now can't hurt.

we was coming home from the casino last night in a taxi, i was next to the girl I've been texting and i pointed to one of the tall bank buildings. i said " i'm going to be working at the top of one of those one day" i smiled when i said it. it made me feel good. just to say it out allowed. i'm smiling right now as i say it.

I used to walk through downtown Cleveland with whoever my girl was and point to skyscrapers and say "one day I'm going to own a building like that". I believed it.

You will really start to lose in life if you ever stop dreaming like that. You may never own the building, but you will surely never own it if you stop trying to.

i know this is one hell of a crazy rant, but my question is do you think it would be worth the money being spent on going to see a psych? I've been to one in school, only because they made me. it wasn't for very long and i hated it. ( the person i saw was Russian and i hated her. ) maybe if i mind the right person it might work out.

Go on amazon and buy a very cheap little book by Dr. Paul Hauck called Hold your Head up High. It's less than $10 I think and after going to see 2 counselors, 2 psychologists, and 2 psychiatrists over about 5 or 6 years, it's pretty much what you will hear from talking to them. I found that the value in people like that was the perspective they have to offer you, which is something a good male mentor can do for you. There are guys on this board who can give you solid advice like that. I can point them to you if you PM me. Some guys will give you awful advice... and some will give you a mixture.

I would honestly buy that book, read it very seriously, and reflect and respond to the points I made. Let me know if you have any further questions.