"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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made eye contact and smiled at her and she reciprocated but you didn't initiate conversation? Would she most likely think you a pu$$y who she wouldn't fvck if you were the last dude on earth? Maybe even think you're a creep? I'm referring to a girl I used to date. I'm a total failure at my career, don't have any real friends, and suffer from a serious mental illness. My confidence and self esteem suffer because of my status in life. Does anybody think I could convey all of these bad things about myself by smiling and not making conversation like a woman instead of seizing an opportunity to approach? Or am I now a permanent beta wuss bag who blew his last chance with said girl? Also any tips on stopping masturbation? I'm struggling with that also
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Why can't you make eye contact with other girls? Why stalk this poor girl, she already knows you are failure. Girl's aren't attracted to failures with mental illness, unless you kill a dozen people and live in prison, then you are a bad boy. You have some real chances with women you don't know, approach them instead.

As far as real friends go, there is no such thing. There are aquitances, today you know them, tomorrow you don't. What you are trying to say you are not popular.

Read my thread.


Stop fucusing on women, get your life straight, get a job or start a business, focus on yourself. People are attracted to people who love nobody but themselves, it's social masachism of some sort.
 

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backseatjuan said:
Why can't you make eye contact with other girls? Why stalk this poor girl, she already knows you are failure. Girl's aren't attracted to failures with mental illness, unless you kill a dozen people and live in prison, then you are a bad boy. You have some real chances with women you don't know, approach them instead.

As far as real friends go, there is no such thing. There are aquitances, today you know them, tomorrow you don't. What you are trying to say you are not popular.

Read my thread.


Stop fucusing on women, get your life straight, get a job or start a business, focus on yourself. People are attracted to people who love nobody but themselves, it's social masachism of some sort.
How exactly does she know I'm a failure? I'm not stalking her, but it's clear I definitely have no chance? I don't want to give up on her. I want to improve myself and get her back
 

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I want my skull and brains from on the street from a shotgun blast if I'm a stalker and she thinks I'm a failure. I'm not a fvcking stalker
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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You stalking me with 3 replies and 1 private message, it's no brainer you're a stalker. Plus you told us readily that you are failure, have mental illness, and masturbate all the time. Do what ever the f-ak you want dude, and read that post in the link.
 

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You stalking me with 3 replies and 1 private message, it's no brainer you're a stalker. Plus you told us readily that you are failure, have mental illness, and masturbate all the time. Do what ever the f-ak you want dude, and read that post in the link.
But I'm inexperienced, so if you could at least fill me in, how would she know I'm a failure?
 

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What we are in life is usually obvious. If you constantly call or message people that means you have lots of free time on your hands. If you constantly try to ask people do stuff with you that means you are desparate and have no life. If you don't talk to women that means you have a girl or masturbate a lot or are a homosexual. People usually don't know who you are, they just see your saure face and make assume the rest, so you better develop confidence, dress well, and look successful, and be sociable.
 

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What we are in life is usually obvious. If you constantly call or message people that means you have lots of free time on your hands. If you constantly try to ask people do stuff with you that means you are desparate and have no life. If you don't talk to women that means you have a girl or masturbate a lot or are a homosexual. People usually don't know who you are, they just see your saure face and make assume the rest, so you better develop confidence, dress well, and look successful, and be sociable.
So my lack of initiating conversation in that moment and smiling and making eye contact showed that I've been masturbating? Oh I see. I came across as non socialable and seemed like a phaggot
 

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You need therapy bro, there's nobody on here that can help you
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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You need therapy bro, there's nobody on here that can help you
Therapy will not stop this girl from thinking that Im not socialable. She will never want to go out with me again/have sex with me because im a loser. She thinks im not socialable. There's this other girl that works in this food store I go to and ive seen her with her friends and I was scared to approach her so I buried myself in my phone. I went to the store yesterday and she seemed friendly receptive to talk but but I barely made conversation. She said something cute, I smiled like a pansy again, and then I asked her if she went to the college I will be attending in the fall. I fapped yesterday so maybe that's why I was such a wussy about it. I had gone more than a few days nofap but caved like a little b1tch and drained myself. Now im binging because of anxiety and trying to find the courage for suicide because my ability to talk to women doesnt support my strong desire for women
 

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Therapy will not stop this girl from thinking that Im not socialable. She will never want to go out with me again/have sex with me because im a loser. She thinks im not socialable. There's this other girl that works in this food store I go to and ive seen her with her friends and I was scared to approach her so I buried myself in my phone. I went to the store yesterday and she seemed friendly receptive to talk but but I barely made conversation. She said something cute, I smiled like a pansy again, and then I asked her if she went to the college I will be attending in the fall. I fapped yesterday so maybe that's why I was such a wussy about it. I had gone more than a few days nofap but caved like a little b1tch and drained myself. Now im binging because of anxiety and trying to find the courage for suicide because my ability to talk to women doesnt support my strong desire for women
You are either trolling or you aren't kidding with your serious mental illness.

If you have crippling self esteem problems due to a mental illness there isn't anything WE can do about it, it's something you solve yourself in therapy.

You are wasting our time as well as yours, either get professional help or keep going the way you are going and don't complain when your in the same spot 10 years from now.
 

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She is just as if not more likely to think you just have low IL in her prob due to her looking ugly that day.
That's weird because I thought she looked really sexy and I smiled at her with the intention of flirting. I just didnt follow through like a wuss. I think id rather her think im a wuss in that case. Im being treated for the problems I have. Its just taking a long time and im turning 24 (really old).
 

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That's weird because I thought she looked really sexy and I smiled at her with the intention of flirting. I just didnt follow through like a wuss. I think id rather her think im a wuss in that case. Im being treated for the problems I have. Its just taking a long time and im turning 24 (really old).
Your not old at all.

Stick with getting the help and focus on that and don't quit.

Once that's done with it'll make things a hell of a lot easier.

It took me like 6 solid months to get rid of my codependency
 
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That's weird because I thought she looked really sexy and I smiled at her with the intention of flirting. I just didnt follow through like a wuss. I think id rather her think im a wuss in that case. Im being treated for the problems I have. Its just taking a long time and im turning 24 (really old).
Even if you don't think you need it, getting the right help will let you get past it much quicker and give you techniques to keep it gone in the rearview.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How exactly does she know I'm a failure? I'm not stalking her, but it's clear I definitely have no chance? I don't want to give up on her. I want to improve myself and get her back


But you said yourself you havent been doing the work. Implement what I said to do. Remember I am not just "telling" you to do it. WE all who do it, see results. Improve and win. Then, take the next steps in development to KEEP improving.

"Pests lay eggs in stagnant pools." -Saline
 
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