taiyuu_otoko
Master Don Juan
They're everywhere...
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Solomon
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How can we stop it? I'm asking in earnest. I mean I'm mentoring a couple of young guys and they are the exception to the rule (mid20s making 6 to 7 figures, handsome etc) I tried to mentor another young man a few years ago but he rather would smoke weed all day than look for a job, last time I checked he got his bartenders license but I lost contact with him
At the end of the day my solution to this is for men to be the best version of themselves a lot of men won't make it and historically 60% of men never got to procreate. It's going to get ugly very, very soon if guys are complaining about women's standards now. I give it 1-6 years when guys will be happy to just share a girl with 3 other men living in a one-bedroom apartment and splitting rent!
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Males have to become men again. MMMA. Make Males Men Again. Do masculine things. Limit the gaming, smoke premium cigars (Nicotine increases testosterone generation in men*), be social, mixed martial arts, etc. Do what men have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years. I kid you not, the females I deal with are more driven and self-reliant than dudes these days. It's sickening.
Source - https://www.healthline.com/health/smoking/nicotine-and-testosterone
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It's flipped because that's what they were born into. The media promotes this
The cheat code is to raise your kids the way you were raised; try to shelter them from the online gayness
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Western civilization is the best thing to ever happen for men. Forcing women to have morals, i mean.
And that was mostly because of the church. As we've seen religious belief decline, we've also seen women's true nature begin to resurface
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
RickTheToad
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Dudes need to be raised to be masculine dudes. Instead, dudes are being raised (mostly by single mother's) as feminine pus. Whereas females are being raised to be strong and independent. See a problem here? I do.
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Very few females have morals. I truly believe the video below is true for most, not all, just most; the video came out 10 years ago.. lol.
Solomon
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@taiyuu_otoko You may find this interesting it's a reddit post in r/GenZ on why young men aren't having sex
Currently, it's only at 210 replies but here are the common reasons
1. Lack Of Money
2. Confidence issues/Lack of social skills
3. Lack of effort (on both sides)
4 Other reasons mental health, lack of experience, waiting for marriage not wanting to partake in hook up culture
IMO all the reasons are valid, and I think most of us in previous generations have dealt with one issue or the other, and from a lot of posters, they seem to have self-awareness.
However the thing i see about Gen-Z that's different from other generations is you have a lot of men who just don't wanna try and put in the work to get a woman Yes the ones that do you can tell are doing it cause they are actually doing well in the dating marekt but unfortunately a lot of men don't wanna try and this is why Incel content on social media has increased dramatically (Andrew Tate, Blackpill etc).
Currently, it's only at 210 replies but here are the common reasons
1. Lack Of Money
2. Confidence issues/Lack of social skills
3. Lack of effort (on both sides)
4 Other reasons mental health, lack of experience, waiting for marriage not wanting to partake in hook up culture
IMO all the reasons are valid, and I think most of us in previous generations have dealt with one issue or the other, and from a lot of posters, they seem to have self-awareness.
However the thing i see about Gen-Z that's different from other generations is you have a lot of men who just don't wanna try and put in the work to get a woman Yes the ones that do you can tell are doing it cause they are actually doing well in the dating marekt but unfortunately a lot of men don't wanna try and this is why Incel content on social media has increased dramatically (Andrew Tate, Blackpill etc).
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They are doing well in the dating market because women are CHOOSING them. Guys do not just default and go and look at blackpill sites. Do you think naturals, or guys who are really successful in the first place would go on those sites?
The article is suspect but it does not mention looks anywhere, which would be addressing the Elephant in the room. This would be the biggest predicator of success on dating apps like Tinder, and it is more likely guys, who after rejection upon rejection, put 2 and 2 together, see they are not good enough to attract any woman (ie yeah, even hb4s are super-entitled these days), end up quitting to save their sanity? The modern tech has provided good alternatives for guys where it's just not working out compared to decades before.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Solomon
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1. It wasn't an article it's a Reddit post, please click the link and read it before your comment because it addresses some of your concerns
2. The Gen-Z guys I know personally are not "natural" they are regular guys who worked hard as heck to get to where they are. Not every guy getting laid in Gen-Z is a natural, but I do agree with you naturals don't go on those sites, or consume red pill content because a lot of the stuff they learned already at a young age and/or the Redpill stuff is goofy to them because a lot of it doesn't correlate/relate or happen in real life
3. The dating apps is addressed in the thread as well but I'll bite, I don't disagree with you, however, have you seen the competition on dating apps? if you are not fat, and have a great sense of style you should be automatically 10%-30% depending on where you live. Most men on dating apps have poor dress styles, are fat or underweight, have bad pics. Is OLD hard and sucks? it does no denying that, however for guys who struggle I'm always curious to see what their profile looks like because usually, they have dry bio, bad pics or a combo of both.
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Another problem is there are currently very few if any gurus that these dateless guys can actually relate to.
It’s usually some natural or Chad/Tyrone or rich guy or low level celebrity or at the very least some high tier normie (HTN) that never really struggled with women to begin with.
A natural math whiz isn’t necessarily the best math tutor for a struggling student.
It’s usually some natural or Chad/Tyrone or rich guy or low level celebrity or at the very least some high tier normie (HTN) that never really struggled with women to begin with.
A natural math whiz isn’t necessarily the best math tutor for a struggling student.
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Hamurabimbi
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The one ‘angry incel’ I know said to me: ‘You get girls because you work out.’. I replied: ‘You can work out.’. He just gave me a dismissive look and changed the subject.
Hamurabimbi
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OLD is Face.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
This 100%!
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
He’s actually working out now. I saw him recently and it looks like he lost about 15 Lbs.
Travel memoir21
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Aslong as dudes in the states are not out raising havoc like this guy in mass numbers, so far so good.
One has to wonder whether it was all staged and a Psyop though, the media has always shows cases and predicts the cultural climate for what's to come. In this case, it was relationships between the sexes.
Fortune_favors_the_bold
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Even if all the guys got in shape, got emotionally stable, learn game and become economically successful there would still be incels since women only pick the top %nters of men nowadays.
That would be like saying if every man would be a millionnaire, they could all buy a ferrari...nope cause the dealer would simply raise the price.
Add to this the fact that in the west most women are unbearable even before than talking about their size or look so most men are chasing the few decent ones.
We simply have to accept the fact that the current historical, economical and social moment created the base for this to happen.
Take away money froma relationship and most men are useless to most women, take away sex and most women are useless to most men.
If the average woman has an average salary, she has no benefit to get into a relationship with an average man..she would rather share a top dog with other women.
If the average woman is unpleasant, the average man would rather pay to play with a hottie.
Unless of course you wanna send women back to the kitchen and public shame those of them who dont get married and have kids by their late 20s.
That would be like saying if every man would be a millionnaire, they could all buy a ferrari...nope cause the dealer would simply raise the price.
Add to this the fact that in the west most women are unbearable even before than talking about their size or look so most men are chasing the few decent ones.
We simply have to accept the fact that the current historical, economical and social moment created the base for this to happen.
Take away money froma relationship and most men are useless to most women, take away sex and most women are useless to most men.
If the average woman has an average salary, she has no benefit to get into a relationship with an average man..she would rather share a top dog with other women.
If the average woman is unpleasant, the average man would rather pay to play with a hottie.
Unless of course you wanna send women back to the kitchen and public shame those of them who dont get married and have kids by their late 20s.
Travel memoir21
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This wasn't the case in the 1950s and the years before that.....Aslong as you were a hardworking man with a Job, you coulda still gotten a decent wife and raise a family. Today things like third wave feminism has ruined things.....and the cultural lefty filthy groups that I don't want to mention are icing to the cake.
Fortune_favors_the_bold
Master Don Juan
Agree on that, back then women needed men for money and men needed women for sex while the average woman wasnt emotionally unbearable and physically unliftable.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.