"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Working has opened my eyes to how fvcked up america really is. vObesity

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Call_Me_Daddy said:
You'll also see a shortage of acceptable women. Good luck finding an average chick in a sea of fatties.

And let's not even mention the attractive ones. They'll be non-existent.
Well, in such a world fat would be average. But I know what you mean.

Unfortunately, average American already means fat. Typical American female is supposedly 5'4" at a weight of 164lbs. That's a BMI score of about 28.1. Men fare a little better. 5'9.5" and 191lbs = BMI of 27.8, and the "acceptable range" for men is overall higher, which makes sense.

What I said about 90% would include men too, and women don't want fat men anymore than we want fat women.

I figure physical size is like finances. I know that rich people tend to prefer other rich people, and the poor tend to wind up with other poor. Ever notice that couples with a serious size difference seem to be rare? It seems that way to me. If a fat man has a girlfriend, she's usually fat too.

Even so, you have a point. It's like my clothes situation. If I need to buy more, I have to look harder, and sometimes go to multiple stores or even online to get clothes with the exact traits I want and my exact size. The proportion thing applies. There aren't many people who are my size, and there aren't many clothes for us, so we have to look harder. It's like I have to go through tent cloth after tent cloth to find something that fits. OK, I'm exaggerating, but there are entire stores that don't have clothes small enough for me. Thankfully, there isn't a single type of clothing item that isn't available in my size, provided I look long and hard enough.

If the population as a whole is fatter, then even if there's enough to go around (smaller supply, but fewer consumers), it'd still be harder.


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In all fairness, there are indeed some people who just have very bad genes. But the number of people like that is very small, and not enough to explain large numbers of fat people.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I disagree that fit people can't find clothes that fit. At least for the 18-30 demographics there is always Abercrombie, AE and Express (but the latter have some really gay tight fitting clothes sometimes)
 

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Oxide said:
I disagree that fit people can't find clothes that fit. At least for the 18-30 demographics there is always Abercrombie, AE and Express (but the latter have some really gay tight fitting clothes sometimes)
The style of clothing for that crowd is usually a wider cut or a looser fit anyway, that's why many can get by using the S, M, L, XL scale. It's difficult to find things off the rack if you have specific inseam, arm, waist, neck and chest measurements that you're trying to find. Heaven forbid you are one of the unlucky ones who wear an odd number size of clothing. There's actually more size variety in Europe (at least western Europe) when it comes to the scale of their clothing size.
 

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I disagree that fit people can't find clothes that fit. At least for the 18-30 demographics there is always Abercrombie, AE and Express (but the latter have some really gay tight fitting clothes sometimes)
tight fit is good. unless youre a fatass

clothing that fits you is supposed to be tight. most people just dress so poorly they don't understand that.

i buy clothing at ross, the length is right but the clothes are made for fatasses so the sleeves hang off me like a wizards sleeve type vagin
 

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Oh yeah, since it's been warm have you noticed all the Nordic Snow Cows wearing flip-flops showing off their kankles? Ick....
But don't they need that blubber to survive the Minnesota winters, Francisco?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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But don't they need that blubber to survive the Minnesota winters, Francisco?
You would believe that they would but hibernation for the Minnesota Range Nordic Snow Cow is to locate a nearby buffet style family restaurant and to set up a grazing area for the season near the fried chicken and the tater tot casserole. In this manner, they can retain the blubber which they had painstakingly grown throughout the summer months in order to stay attractive to the chubbie/fattie chasers during the rut season where the chasers are willing to make with anything that has a hole.
 

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Well I am still able to find slim hotties but a helluva lot of girls have bigger legs /little stomachs.

I looked around and saw at least 3 girls that used to be salvating me and now each put on 15-30lbs... horrible :(

as for tight fitting clothing - you must not understand express fashion. THEY.MAKE.YOUR.FIGURE.DISSAPEAR. I put on their shirts and suddenly "where the hell did my muscles go?!" - at least to me, I don't want to see myself slim.

My AE shirt - it is also tight fitting, but I am huge in it. That's the difference
 

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Well I am still able to find slim hotties but a helluva lot of girls have bigger legs /little stomachs.
Is that a Minnesota/Wisconsin thing? I see it a lot in women who were gymnasts. Small up top but thighs like Clydesdales, no balance what so ever. At first I thought that was due to getting older but after going to a few colligate gymnastic tournaments, I've seen freshmen girls with the same thick @ss thighs, not anything like eastern European gymnasts.
 

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No idea man, I think they should just stop eating crap and drinking booze. I mean I was hanging out with rugby girls last night and they are slimmer and better fit than the average MN girl..what does that tell ya!?
 

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No idea man, I think they should just stop eating crap and drinking booze. I mean I was hanging out with rugby girls last night and they are slimmer and better fit than the average MN girl..what does that tell ya!?
That's what I'm talking about. You hang out with women who play real sports and they are typically fit and trim. This is different that some of the "thick" women who all themselves "athletic" because the occasionally play volleyball in the summer on the patio of a local pub during Happy Hour.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Well I don't even know how screwed you are..i mean I deal with college girls so most of them try to look hot for us.. I don't know what the 29+ demographics looks like (thats your game right?) I am guessing most let themselves go..and the ones that havent are even more presumptious.

You will not believe a girl i ran into last night.. a replica of a girl i used to date..even a bit cuter.. SAME EXACT PERSONALITY... I almost sh!t myself.

And what's this with me pulling girls who are 23..a year older than I lately.... I feel like i should be getting 20-21 year olds and yet older women ask me "if it is ok?" that she is older.... lol
 

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I live in Sheffield in the UK and there are quite a few fatties here but also many normal sized girls, especially in college. It is way better then Austrailia

When I was in Hong Kong island, I saw more fat Westerners then fat Chinese.
My LTGF is from their and she is a UK size 8 (US4) and she is considered a tad chubby there.

I knew a fat chick in high school and she had three guys fawning over her, it definately wasn't her personallity as she was selfish and borderline retarded... perhaps it was the 2:1 boys to girls ratio at the school
 

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American females tend to have huge thighs, behinds, and breasts. Seriously, they are built like fire hydrants. Very odd body types. It might be a combination of bad genetics (too much mixing of different ethnic groups), chemicals in food, and birth control at a very young age (13 year olds!).
 

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How would you know EE boy?

And Pheonix - She gave great head. And Pheonix is actually spelt Phoenix.
 

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Don't let American Guys off the hook.

How many of us have fat stomachs. We just hide it better. How many guys try to lie and call their fat muscle.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Nothing wrong with being a fat or big dude. Sumo Wrestlers are treated like Gods and rockstars in Japan. Its all how you convey yourself as a Man.
 

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Roly said:
Nothing wrong with being a fat or big dude. Sumo Wrestlers are treated like Gods and rockstars in Japan. Its all how you convey yourself as a Man.
How many typical fat Americans are actually athletes like Japanese Sumo Wrestlers?
 

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I noticed with a lot of fat people they put a lot of emphasis on food, always talking about it and have planned out what they are having for there dinner in the morning and just look forward to it all day like its the highlight of the day or something. Where as most thin people just decide as soon as they open the fridge just before eating.
 

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Doggystyle said:
I noticed with a lot of fat people they put a lot of emphasis on food, always talking about it and have planned out what they are having for there dinner in the morning and just look forward to it all day like its the highlight of the day or something. Where as most thin people just decide as soon as they open the fridge just before eating.
Something that happens around these parts is that most events have some type of food complement. Fatty muffins and bagels for early morning meetings, full buffet catered lunches, late night pizza deliveries if you are doing overtime. Fast food runs after the kids soccer practice, All you can eat buffets around happy hour, goo-gobs of chips an salsa around the television (whew).... Look around, are all these people actually hungry or is eating just something else to do to keep themselves occupied?
 

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And Pheonix - She gave great head. And Pheonix is actually spelt Phoenix.
haha! you might be right, then again it might be scary if a fat person does that because you are always worried that her greedy mouth would go into chomp mode at any second.

I know I misspelt Phoenix, I first used that name when I was young and I kept using it on all other forums.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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