Women's low expectations

[BadsnakeUK]

There's a lot of talk on this and other forums about getting your life in order and actually doing something with it instead of being a lazy waster. This is good - we all need to think about whether hours in front of the TV is the best way to spend our time.

I have been a great believer in having a full life since I had a serious illness some years back and could have ended up unable to walk. Fortunately I recovered fully but it made me realise how much time I was wasting. I now have a full, fun life and make the most of things.

My question is have any of you met women intimidated by this? I have met several who look up to me for having an exciting, fun life, and at some level would like to be part of it, but its like they don't have the imagination or the energy to do so. Lack of confidence maybe?

Its like their expectations are so low they only want someone with the same crap job and who wants nothing more out of life than to pay the rent and have a few drinks at the weekend. Generally I avoid these women as they bore me very quickly, but just wondering if anyone else has experienced this?

 

[DannykDJ]

I know what you mean. I'm still in college and it blows my mind whenever I ask a girl what her future plans are and they have no clue at all. Most of these girls shoot for the bare minimum in life.

The definition of living life to it's fullest or "experiencing life" as they call it for almost all of the girls at my university is going out to bars and clubs and getting wasted every weekend. Most of these girls just C and D their way through college. My ex and a few other girls are even transferring to another school just for the parties. They literally taking out thousands of dollars in loans for school just to go to bars, clubs, and college parties. It blows my mind how short sighted some people are.

Don't even get me started on if you ask a girl what kind of investments she has made. I am currently saving to buy a house when I finish school, and have even created an account for retirement and i'm 21.


If you ask them what their plans are after finishing school it's always something generic like "get a job" with no detail. I'm not making this up either because whenever I meet new people I like to ask them questions to see what they're doing in life, and it makes me wanna laugh at the answers sometimes.

It's good you avoid those types of people because you are the company you keep. Successful people have successful friends and happy people have happy friends. There are plenty of women with high aspirations, but yeah sometimes it does seem like looking for a needle in a haystack, especially in college.

 

[slaog]

This is an interesting topic! I've noticed it too.

People are more comfortable around other people like themselves. Most couples in LTR's are very similar in their outlook and the looks department too.

I think it depends on peoples value. Both how you see yourself and your partner and how the partner sees you and themselves i.e. are you both similar values?

If 1 person see the other as lower then he/she will want to upgrade.

However (and this is true of alot of people here) if a person see's themselves as being lower value then he/she won't feel comfortable around the higher value person even though the higher value person might see things as being equal. Thats why there are alot of people who get clingy, jealous, not giving the other person space etc..

The message here is to always see yourself as being higher value or at least not being lower value than any woman.

I know what you mean. I'm still in college and it blows my mind whenever I ask a girl what her future plans are and they have no clue at all. Most of these girls shoot for the bare minimum in life.

The definition of living life to it's fullest or "experiencing life" as they call it for almost all of the girls at my university is going out to bars and clubs and getting wasted every weekend. Most of these girls just C and D their way through college. My ex and a few other girls are even transferring to another school just for the parties. They literally taking out thousands of dollars in loans to go to bars, clubs, and college parties. It blows my mind how short sighted some people are.

Don't even get me started on if you ask a girl what kind of investments she has made. I am currently saving to buy a house when I finish school, and have even created an account for retirement and i'm 21.


If you ask them what their plans are after finishing school it's always something generic like "get a job" with no detail. I'm not making this up either because whenever I meet new people I like to ask them questions to see what they're doing in life, and it makes me wanna laugh at the answers sometimes.

It's good you avoid those types of people because you are the company you keep. Successful people have successful friends and happy people have happy friends. There are plenty of women with high aspirations, but yeah sometimes it does seem like looking for a needle in a haystack, especially in college.

It's basically that they have no goals. I was like that up ontil this year. Didn't know what I wanted or where I wanted to go until I realised that I had no goals whatsoever so no wonder I was just existing instead of living.

 

[Jitterbug]

This is a good topic and one I've been thinking about lately.

I have been a great believer in having a full life since I had a serious illness some years back and could have ended up unable to walk. Fortunately I recovered fully but it made me realise how much time I was wasting. I now have a full, fun life and make the most of things.

First thing: congrats for the recovery and the enlightenment!

I went through a period of depression and eventually realised the same thing and have been moving my life in the same way.

My question is have any of you met women intimidated by this? I have met several who look up to me for having an exciting, fun life, and at some level would like to be part of it, but its like they don't have the imagination or the energy to do so. Lack of confidence maybe?

Yes I have met many like you described.

Its like their expectations are so low they only want someone with the same crap job and who wants nothing more out of life than to pay the rent and have a few drinks at the weekend. Generally I avoid these women as they bore me very quickly, but just wondering if anyone else has experienced this?

Low self-esteem is a better word for that.

I've met a lot of them. Many are attracted to my energy & how I live my life, but the parts they only want to play are a short-termed fling or friends (which is fine with me since I'm not gonna get into a relationship with a LSE).

Those girls often carry a "strong indepedent intelligent woman" persona, boasting qualities they don't have. They are intimidated by men who actually have their sh!t together. Such men are like mirrors for them to look into and see that their life is rubbish and if they want to get into a relationship with those men, they'd have to get their sh!t together too. Besides, they will have to compete with other women who may be better than them in many ways for those men. That is their biggest fear: facing their own inadequacies - and they'd rather party on for decades to run away from those (they never can anyway).

To be fair, it's the same if you change the genders around, but that story is so often told in the media that it's become common knowledge: men are intimidated by beautiful, strong, independent, intelligent, successful women blah blah blah. The reverse is just as true but rarely told.

This is spot on:

However (and this is true of alot of people here) if a person see's themselves as being lower value then he/she won't feel comfortable around the higher value person even though the higher value person might see things as being equal. Thats why there are alot of people who get clingy, jealous, not giving the other person space etc..

LSE girls are only good for flings, and nothing more.

I've made a mistake of seeing a LSE girl as a HSE (they can be very good actresses) and instead of the usual fvck-chuck process, I was doing dates & crap. As I was qualifying her and upon seeing other women hitting on me, she freaked out, eventually admitted that she never thought a guy like me with his sh!t together would even ask her out. She LJBFed me, I just laughed at that and said she'd have to do a lot better than that to be my friend, as I take friendship seriously and don't just call anyone that. She went out with a guy who is my opposite: short, skinny, nerdy, no talent, no job, lacks social skills, lives with mummy & daddy. A few dates later, they declared that they're now in a relationship. :crackup: People who know us (especially the women) couldn't understand why she would pick such a loser when she had a shot with me, but I could and was glad that I didn't get myself that involved with a LSE.

If you see an attractive woman with a complete loser and wonder what the hell is she doing with him, it's because behind her good looks, she's exactly like him.

 

[BadsnakeUK]

Forgot to say in the OP:

One of the things that p1sses me off most about this is when I ask a girl about what she wants to do in the future and she says "I want to get married" or some sh1t like that. WTF? Thats it? To who? Anyone? Never heard of a career? Travel? Seeing some of the world?

NEXT!!!

 

[slaog]

To be fair, it's the same if you change the genders around, but that story is so often told in the media that it's become common knowledge: men are intimidated by beautiful, strong, independent, intelligent, successful women blah blah blah. The reverse is just as true but rarely told.

Thats true and in some ways it could be worse with women. If a man feels uncomfortable around a woman due to low self esteem etc he'll still want to be with her but with women they are more sensitive in many ways so will avoid a relationship etc

 

[Quiksilver]

95% of women are low quality.

These girls probably think you are "above" them, and are afraid of that lose of power/control in their lives. You are simply too different, and people in general are afraid of something they don't understand.

It doesn't sound like it's you that's the problem, likely your just fishing in the wrong pool. You can't catch that prize fish in a swamp, my friend.

It's your job to separate the wheat from the chafe.

 

[DonJuan11]

I have been a great believer in having a full life since I had a serious illness some years back and could have ended up unable to walk. Fortunately I recovered fully but it made me realise how much time I was wasting. I now have a full, fun life and make the most of things.

My question is have any of you met women intimidated by this? I have met several who look up to me for having an exciting, fun life, and at some level would like to be part of it, but its like they don't have the imagination or the energy to do so. Lack of confidence maybe?

Its like their expectations are so low they only want someone with the same crap job and who wants nothing more out of life than to pay the rent and have a few drinks at the weekend. Generally I avoid these women as they bore me very quickly, but just wondering if anyone else has experienced this?

Never known a woman to say "I want a guy who watches tv and plays on the computer all weekend, doesn't have much money, doesn't have many friends, is not ambitious, does not dress well, does not work out, is not known at the clubs in the cty, can't dance, is rude to his family, doesn't have many friends."

But hey, some woman may go for guys like that.

 

[Demon Lord]

If you take the time to look around, you will see that most of the people you meet are exactly like that (men and women).

Confidence and determination are acquired and admired but nobody wants to sweat and learn...

What's the solution then? Live your life and let them long for change and thrill forever.

 

[BadsnakeUK]

Never known a woman to say "I want a guy who watches tv and plays on the computer all weekend, doesn't have much money, doesn't have many friends, is not ambitious, does not dress well, does not work out, is not known at the clubs in the cty, can't dance, is rude to his family, doesn't have many friends."

But hey, some woman may go for guys like that.

No they don't ever say it, but if you look at what they actually go for, and more importantly what they turn down...

I think Jitterbug's hit the nail on the head about the reasons for it - they don't have what it takes to get their sh!t together and they know it.

P.S. (off topic) Quicksilver - you must be living in a good area if 5% are still acceptable! There's a lot of fatties and other FUGs where I live, probably only 10-15% are acceptable on looks. If you start factoring for personality, weeding out psychos, LSEs etc you're looking at about 1-2% here. The funny thing is there always seem to be more HBs out during the day - wish I knew where they went at night...

 

[Smack]

On topic:

Men are proactive, women are reactive. Men are more dominant, and leaders; women are more submissive, more followers. This explains why many (most?) women have low expectations of their lives: they want (need?) a strong, dominant leader of a man to show them a good time. It is very unfeminine for them to want to same things as us men who are masculine.

Off topic: BadsnakeUK, this is because during the night when British women are out they tend to smother their faces with make-up using the motto "more is always better", and wear very little clothing which allows us to see the cellulite on their arses and that bit of fat that is slightly unattractive. Regarding make-up, I believe it should enhance a woman's beautiful facial features, not cover them up. During the day, woman take this into account more, meaning they are visibly less 'made up' but actually look better. Regarding clothing, they wear more in the day which is obvious; this hides imperfections on their bodies, meaning that we only see sleek feminine curves.