"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Women with which you dont get sexual in a short amount of time

Who Dares Win

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Do you believe that once you meet a woman and start to attending her, if sexual contacts dont happen within a certain amount of time will lead to no sexual contacts at all no matter what?

Here I find two conflicting ideas, the first one is that if she finds you attractive she will show green light for your attempt and not only allow you to escalate but even help you to do so.

While the second one is that she has to be sure you're not only going after sex and consider her a fvck toy, in fact she wants you to appreciate her and be sure not to be used.

More or the less this are the two general idea to explain sexual availability of women however I would be oriented more toward the first one, the second one pose as a great attention wh0res alarm to me.

What is your opinion?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I've been thinking a lot about this one lately.

Scenario 1:

We hit it off and get physical fairly quickly.

Scenario 2:

She "seems" more conservative and "appears" to want to take things slow because she's screening me to be her bf.

Honestly, IME, to date, I haven't had scenario 2 ever work out.

The recent example was the happy hour girl I met while eating my buffalo chicken wrap. I number closed her, and we had like 5 dates. She kept "screening" me for bf role, yet would only kiss me briefly.

Update:

She texted me Monday night with "Whatcha doing?" I didn't respond until later because my phone was off during dance class.

So I stop at the bar to eat after dance (not to meet anyone). Funny enough, some guy was sitting next to me and then HER next to him. They did a few shots. Then left together. He didnt take her on 5 dates. Scenario 1 worked for him.

Even in my own experience observing other couples, most relationships start out as FWB, NOT slow proper "friends first" dating/courting.

Plus women love to backwards rationalize. If she gets physical with you quickly, she can backward rationalize that "I don't usually do that. I must really like him."

Conversely, if she still hasn't slept with you after a while, doubts can creep into her mind. "I STILL haven't slept with him. I'm not sure if I really like him. Maybe he isn't my type."

Anyway, to make a long story short, I vote for #1.
 

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Try to bang her soon after you meet her. This will obviously state the intentions of just being fwb.
 

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Mike32ct said:
Update:

She texted me Monday night with "Whatcha doing?" I didn't respond until later because my phone was off during dance class.

So I stop at the bar to eat after dance (not to meet anyone). Funny enough, some guy was sitting next to me and then HER next to him. They did a few shots. Then left together. He didnt take her on 5 dates. Scenario 1 worked for him.
Dude...you were getting booty called. Looks like she was horny
 

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Who Dares Win said:
Do you believe that once you meet a woman and start to attending her, if sexual contacts dont happen within a certain amount of time will lead to no sexual contacts at all no matter what?

Here I find two conflicting ideas, the first one is that if she finds you attractive she will show green light for your attempt and not only allow you to escalate but even help you to do so.

While the second one is that she has to be sure you're not only going after sex and consider her a fvck toy, in fact she wants you to appreciate her and be sure not to be used.

More or the less this are the two general idea to explain sexual availability of women however I would be oriented more toward the first one, the second one pose as a great attention wh0res alarm to me.

What is your opinion?
Of course, everyone wants to be the guy in the first situation, not only with girls, but in life.

There is no problem with the second one, as long as she hasn't done it before. That's where guys get upset, "well, you slept with the hot guy in college within 2 hours of meeting him, it has to be the same with me." Why should I be the sucker to spend money and time on you?

It's kind of funny, the older they get the higher their standards are, even though their value decreases.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Mike32ct said:
Plus women love to backwards rationalize. If she gets physical with you quickly, she can backward rationalize that "I don't usually do that. I must really like him."

Conversely, if she still hasn't slept with you after a while, doubts can creep into her mind. "I STILL haven't slept with him. I'm not sure if I really like him. Maybe he isn't my type."

Anyway, to make a long story short, I vote for #1.
^^:crackup:

you gotta love how women like to rationalize ****, lol, and they still can't get anything right, :crackup: .
 

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Women are fast to punish those who move too slow. Strike while the iron is hot. He who hesitates masturbates... all good things to keep in mind...
 

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Of course, everyone wants to be the guy in the first situation, not only with girls, but in life.

There is no problem with the second one, as long as she hasn't done it before. That's where guys get upset, "well, you slept with the hot guy in college within 2 hours of meeting him, it has to be the same with me." Why should I be the sucker to spend money and time on you?

It's kind of funny, the older they get the higher their standards are, even though their value decreases.
I completely agree about not being the sucker which pays something used full price while others get it for free but my question was not in comparison but simply try to get a general rule.

What I really wanted to know is if not getting sex early enough will lead to sex later at a decent percentage or if not getting any in the beginnin would make it unworth at all, not sure if I explained myself.

Regarding being a sucker, its not my case I never stick to women and after banging them few times I lose interest, the problem of being "the one who waits" comes only if you get serious with her.
 

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HedoRick said:
Women are fast to punish those who move too slow. Strike while the iron is hot. He who hesitates masturbates... all good things to keep in mind...
This. Women aren't into all that getting to know you before getting physical crap... contrary to complaining about how no one does (see: it's not what they respond to)... It's all about the excitement, passion, mystery, lust, etc. They follow their shallow emotions, and want sex right away, and respond very favorably to sexual guys that present a strong challenge. I think they just delude themselves into believing they're not shallow and horny, and are traditional and conservative and lady-like. Ho, please.... But that's where we come in - to find out the truth, what they're like, and what they really respond to.
 

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I've slept with a lot of close girl friends, many of which became a serious relationship. NOT THAT I RECOMMEND IT!!!

But, the strange phenomenon was that I wasn't really interested in them as a romantic choice, so I didn't start off coming on to them and thus get pushed into the friend zone. I opted for friend interaction while I spun plates elsewhere, either because they had other boys, or my friends were chasing them and I didn't wanna ****block, or whatever. A big part of this was that kino with these girls was minimal.

Then, if the girl became more drama-free available and I had decided that we had fun and were good company, I'd slide up the kino dramatically out of nowhere for a couple days, then a few days later we'd be ****ing like crazy.

Something about drawn-out, repressed sexual tension makes for some crazy sex.

Also... THIS IS NOT A TECHNIQUE! The few girls this happened with were all very unique situations.

One in high school, there was nothing that weird about fooling around with the girls in your circle of friends. Most kids opt for this cause there aren't a lot of scenes for pick up.

One was a girl I worked on a newspaper with. It wasn't until after I had left the newspaper that I targeted her and started inviting her over and working things. She ended up being a BPD chick and I doubt this woulda worked with other kinds of girls.

One was a nymphomaniac in ****ed up relationship with her boyfriend and he was in some sort of philosophical moral dilemma where he felt guilty about having sex and hadn't screwed her in over a month. So she was hot and bothered. That only lasted a week and ended badly.

One hadn't been in a relationship since she got divorced and her friends were pushing her to date me. She hadn't considered it before because I was friend-zoned, the peer pressure allowed that one to happen. That lasted 2 months before her roommate confessed his undying love to her and they eloped to a different state together.

The last one is my most recent ex. We were roommates for 5 months, though not very close. I went off and travelled for 6 weeks, came back very different and self-empowered and started spending a lot of time with her. A month of this I realized I was really into my roommate, and escalated the kino intensely then made out with her a couple days after that decision. It took her 3 weeks before she would sleep with me, but she was a weird girl, and we ended up in a very dramatic relationship that lasted over a year, way longer than I had anticipated. Incredible sex, though. ;)

So, I don't recommend it, none of these worked out swimmingly, but there's a way to do it with the right initiative and quick follow-through action. They will look at the kino as just very close friendship and lie to themselves about the sexuality despite the tension they feel, so following through with making out with them quickly after has to happen or the window will be missed. All these girls told me they had no idea I was into them until after my tongue was down their throats (paraphrase).

But, save yourself some drama and just go spin some plates.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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It depends. If you become the next Ryan Gosling after knowing her for a few years without f*cking her.. I doubt she'll come at you with: "Well.. you waited too long."

The problem with spending too much non-sexual time with a woman is it gives her time to find things she doesn't like about you. Any weakness or AFC behavior displayed during that time AT ALL can sink your chances. Its worse if she knows you want to f*ck her but you're just too chickens sh*t to try.

If she believes you're not attracted to her.. then its different. I had a female friend from high school who I wasn't into but hung out with occasionally when I had nothing better to do. After 3 years of knowing her she tells me she wants to date me. :rock:

So it depends.
 
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PlayHer Man said:
It depends. If you become the next Ryan Gosling after knowing her for a few years without f*cking her.. I doubt she'll come at you with: "Well.. you waited too long."

The problem with spending too much non-sexual time with a woman is it gives her time to find things she doesn't like about you. Any weakness or AFC behavior displayed turning that time AT ALL kind sink your chances. Its worse if she knows you want to f*ck her but you're just too chickens sh*t to try.

If she believes you're not attracted to her.. then its different. I had a female friend from high school who I wasn't into but hung out with occasionally when I had nothing better to do. After 3 years of knowing her she tells me she wants to date me. :rock:

So it depends.
Most EXCELLENT point. :up:
 

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Hasn't happened to me yet. I've never got sexual with a friend, no matter how long I've known them, so I'll go with the getting sexual quickly. To me it seems right, although I've never been on an actual date, so how much do I really know haha.

I mentioned in a thread of mine the other day that I do have a friend that likes me, she never used to, and I haven't changed that much in the year I've known her, only really my confidence that has skyrocketed, so there's a mystery.

Gunner
 

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It all depends how far you patience is willing to stretch.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Mike32ct said:
I've been thinking a lot about this one lately.

Scenario 1:

We hit it off and get physical fairly quickly.

Scenario 2:

She "seems" more conservative and "appears" to want to take things slow because she's screening me to be her bf.

Honestly, IME, to date, I haven't had scenario 2 ever work out.

The recent example was the happy hour girl I met while eating my buffalo chicken wrap. I number closed her, and we had like 5 dates. She kept "screening" me for bf role, yet would only kiss me briefly.

Update:

She texted me Monday night with "Whatcha doing?" I didn't respond until later because my phone was off during dance class.

So I stop at the bar to eat after dance (not to meet anyone). Funny enough, some guy was sitting next to me and then HER next to him. They did a few shots. Then left together. He didnt take her on 5 dates. Scenario 1 worked for him.

Even in my own experience observing other couples, most relationships start out as FWB, NOT slow proper "friends first" dating/courting.

Plus women love to backwards rationalize. If she gets physical with you quickly, she can backward rationalize that "I don't usually do that. I must really like him."

Conversely, if she still hasn't slept with you after a while, doubts can creep into her mind. "I STILL haven't slept with him. I'm not sure if I really like him. Maybe he isn't my type."

Anyway, to make a long story short, I vote for #1.
Mike, do you consider it Scenario 1 or Scenario 2 if a girl kisses you, makes out with you, dry humps with you immediately, yet won't proceed to have sex with you for a month or two? How have your personal experiences in this situation panned out?
 

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Mike, do you consider it Scenario 1 or Scenario 2 if a girl kisses you, makes out with you, dry humps with you immediately, yet won't proceed to have sex with you for a month or two? How have your personal experiences in this situation panned out?
I think it's sort of a scenario 2, but not exactly.

What you are describing might be a young girl with limited experience. My understanding is that it's not uncommon for them to make out and dry hump but stall on sex. Starting late, I don't have much experience with that age group. I think it's more about, are you progressing with her physically or stuck at the same level? That's what I would think about.

My only point was if a highly experienced female makes you wait and wait, you're unlikely to ever F her IME. A girl who is a virgin or maybe only had one or two partners might not be totally comfortable with sex yet, so maybe I'd cut her a little slack. On the other hand, if she is experienced, then her interest level might not be as high as you'd like.

If some 29 to 35 yo is stringing me along for sex, I'm nexting her. She doesn't have any excuses lol. Going slow with a broad like that is a path to nowhere.
 

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VladPatton said:
It all depends how far you patience is willing to stretch.
QFT
 
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