"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Women With Older Men

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At my age, I have noticed a trend. It now seems to be commonplace, or at least appears to be.

I see women who are 25 or 30 with 50 something guys, and 50 year old women with 70 year old men. WTF is that? You guys have any thoughts on this phenomenon? Diminishing looks of women? Social status of older men? Just curious what ya'll think about this. I'm talking about huge age differences here.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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A man's sexual market value follows a very different function than a woman's. A man with age is considered to be desirable. A woman with age is considered to be overripe. Whereas a young man has difficulty attracting young women because men of all ages are competing for those women, as he ages, he becomes more attractive to those young women (presuming he has not gone to seed.) The young woman starts out the age of social adulthood (e.g., 18) at the highest level of attractiveness, and declines from then on, even if she stays thin. The phenomenon of the "cougar" is merely an outlet for horny young men and older pre-menopausal women that are shut out of the dating market.

There are many mature women who lament this situation, but they can't do anything about it as men their age are attracted to younger women.
 

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Yep. Well said. There are two guys I know who are with attractive gals 20 some years their junior. They are not rich guys, so I don't think it's gold digging. They do fine but not rich.

There just seems to be a large # of women who actually prefer older guys. As far as women go, I think they feel it's much more acceptable for them to date a man who is much much older. It's just these huge age differences which astound me. I can see 5-10 years difference, but 20-30?
 

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The woman I've narrowed my list down to is almost 20 years younger than me. I don't worry about it, she's happy and I'm happy, the only people who seem upset are the young guys who want to date her and the old b*tches that want to date me. Her friends are envious of her dating success and my friends admire her fine tight ass. ;)
 

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bigjohnson said:
The woman I've narrowed my list down to is almost 20 years younger than me. I don't worry about it, she's happy and I'm happy, the only people who seem upset are the young guys who want to date her and the old b*tches that want to date me. Her friends are envious of her dating success and my friends admire her fine tight ass. ;)
So that would make her 80 yrs old? :) I don't get upset with it, I just don't fully understand it. You'd think I would by now. And good for you bigj. Yer gal sounds like a keeper.

Look at it like this:

A man get's into an LTR with a nice looking gal 25 yrs younger than him. Some would say that he's "rockin the cradle".

On the other hand, many women think it's OK, but I havent heard them say "she's rockin the old folks home".
 
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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My sexual market value get higher each year - Yet from my spot teen years to my late thirties I was just another face in the crowd as far as women was concerned. But, once I hit forty, women started to take notice of me and the last decade has consisted of fighting women off - yes I get hit on several times a day. And not just women in my normal range say ten years younger. I am get chased by women in their early twenties - the father figure/abandonment issues perhaps - but hey it makes me feel great.

I have grey, nearly white hair, a few wrinkles, but keep in shape and dress well. I laugh at all these men who dye their hair in a hope to look younger and attract women. Women of all ages really love my grey hair. Why dye your hair when that's what women want (ask Bill Clinton)

My wife is twelve years my junior at 38 and I currently have a 'fan club' of over 150 women in my local area who would jump in bed with me if i gave them the okay. A lot of these women are between 22 to 35.

So don't worry about getting older, relax its easier to get women - they come to you....

...and the alternative to growing old is not good either...
 

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Dear 5String,
Just as the other respondents observe,it just gets better and better.....as for younger Women well that has never been my thing,having daughters changes one.Being reasonably well read I need an intellectual and stimulating companion and find younger Women vapid....One of the reasons that a significant proportion of Women like Older Men is the misconception that such Men are steadier,less likely to wonder....Having your own Home and knowing what you want in a relationship,can be a big deal too....Have a laugh Guys...I had the most wonderful Orgasm with one of my Ladies the other night,she really pressed all my buttons and I told her how fantastic she had been and how much I enjoyed it.....She responded by saying svx didn't put her over the Moon,but seeing me with nail bag on putting up her plaster cornice on the Weekend had given her a tingle where her Father never kissed her....Don't try and understand them just enjoy.
 

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5string said:
So that would make you 80 yrs old? :)
That's just a number to protect identifiable info and still conform to the intent of some rules that certain children around here like to game the system with. I'm in my 40's and she's in her 20's.
 

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I see women who are 25 or 30 with 50 something guys
Another factor is that a lot guys that age are not very mature. Think about it. And check out the general discussion board too. Small wonder that girls turn to older guys.

I agree with Scaramouche, it does get better when you get older. It seems counterintuitive in some ways, but that has been my experience.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I'll agree with a lot of the sentiments here.

I think a few other factors ring true about this:

(1) The pussification of the younger generation. A woman who is 25 will most likely be curbed by a man who is 40 and not her age. Right now a 21 year old is more likely to have grown up through a metrosexual phase/effeminate phase/technologically emo phase than men at an older age. It's almost a lost art.. the art of being a man. And when the numbers of "men" that act like insecure women keep growing for sub-25 year olds, all of those men above that age that didn't grow up around all of that seem all the more better. Just think about it, years ago we didn't have to deal with email/Facebook/caller ID/etc... so we actually had to deal with the real world and not the technology. If a woman was going to flake, she had to flake with EFFORT. Now, they can flake just by breathing. Older men know the signs, the younger ones post in the Discussion forum asking what it means.

(2) Economy. I'd hate to bring this in the discussion, but I think there might be a shift that will happen or is happening. Pretty soon, it won't be that their marrying for money... I think there will be a shift in what "security" means for a woman. I've seen it where a 20-something will date a 40 year old because the financial security is better than no financial security. It doesn't matter if they are rich or not, they have a job.

(3) Divorce. A lot of men in their 40's/50's are divorced by that time. They are going through their "mid life crisis" and have opened their eyes to the truth. Marriage isn't what it's cracked up to be. I don't see why a person in their early 40's, in shape, and high quality would want someone his age. If you're going to do it all over again, you might as well look for someone a lot younger who isn't past their expiration date.

(4) Women love to shame men who date younger, but in reality, if they can get away with it, they'd prefer someone older. I keep hearing that in general, most men feel comfortable within their own skin after 35. I'm at that point at age 30, but I know it's going to get better... but I didn't get married and have kids.

(5) If you're older than 35 and never gotten married... some women might actually see that as a challenge. I've seen it happen twice. I knew two men who just didn't believe in marriage and wanted to be eternal George Clooney's. What's funny is that if I met a woman who had never gotten married by age 35 and looked good, I would wonder what the hell happened. But a woman views a man like that as "the great white catch". They wanted to be the ones to wrangle him in.

There are so many more reasons why, but I don't want to spend all day here. And from what I see here, looks like things are on the up and up for me within the next two decades.


PS: I have some grey now... I'd never dye that. It actually drives some women nuts that I have a nice streak of silver throughout my dark head of hair.
 

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Kailex said:
I'll agree with a lot of the sentiments here.

I think a few other factors ring true about this:

(1) The pussification of the younger generation. A woman who is 25 will most likely be curbed by a man who is 40 and not her age. Right now a 21 year old is more likely to have grown up through a metrosexual phase/effeminate phase/technologically emo phase than men at an older age. It's almost a lost art.. the art of being a man. And when the numbers of "men" that act like insecure women keep growing for sub-25 year olds, all of those men above that age that didn't grow up around all of that seem all the more better. Just think about it, years ago we didn't have to deal with email/Facebook/caller ID/etc... so we actually had to deal with the real world and not the technology. If a woman was going to flake, she had to flake with EFFORT. Now, they can flake just by breathing. Older men know the signs, the younger ones post in the Discussion forum asking what it means.

(2) Economy. I'd hate to bring this in the discussion, but I think there might be a shift that will happen or is happening. Pretty soon, it won't be that their marrying for money... I think there will be a shift in what "security" means for a woman. I've seen it where a 20-something will date a 40 year old because the financial security is better than no financial security. It doesn't matter if they are rich or not, they have a job.

(3) Divorce. A lot of men in their 40's/50's are divorced by that time. They are going through their "mid life crisis" and have opened their eyes to the truth. Marriage isn't what it's cracked up to be. I don't see why a person in their early 40's, in shape, and high quality would want someone his age. If you're going to do it all over again, you might as well look for someone a lot younger who isn't past their expiration date.

(4) Women love to shame men who date younger, but in reality, if they can get away with it, they'd prefer someone older. I keep hearing that in general, most men feel comfortable within their own skin after 35. I'm at that point at age 30, but I know it's going to get better... but I didn't get married and have kids.

(5) If you're older than 35 and never gotten married... some women might actually see that as a challenge. I've seen it happen twice. I knew two men who just didn't believe in marriage and wanted to be eternal George Clooney's. What's funny is that if I met a woman who had never gotten married by age 35 and looked good, I would wonder what the hell happened. But a woman views a man like that as "the great white catch". They wanted to be the ones to wrangle him in.

There are so many more reasons why, but I don't want to spend all day here. And from what I see here, looks like things are on the up and up for me within the next two decades.


PS: I have some grey now... I'd never dye that. It actually drives some women nuts that I have a nice streak of silver throughout my dark head of hair.

101% right.... :up:

I am defiantly enjoying getting older - its far easier. I don't chase after it anymore - it chase after me, frequently! Its kind of weird in away. I spent many years of my earlier life chasing after women with moderate success. Better than lots of guys, but no DJ. But now I am the pursued not the pursuer anymore. I have gone from a barren dry desert with few waterholes to huge oasis with the fruit literally falling of the trees at my feet. Life is strange.

I have to admit one thing, I didn't realise I was alpha male until about 40. Of course, I have heard of one, but never made the connection. When I did read about being an alpha male, a light went on inside my head - that's me.
Since then I am alpha male, walk, talk and act like one. I had lots of the traits, but not made the connection. This couple with my gained wisdom and one near death experience changed my life for ever - they say life begins at 40 - it did for me.

The truth - women don't want metrosexual/effeminate males - its been written may times here, but men just don't get it. They spend there lives licking up to women, practicing lines, routines, spending a fortune on dates, but women don't want them. Yes, they use them, but they really want is a real man. Took me forty years to see the light, but that was my training, my road to enlightenment. When a women cannot get a real man, they will 'use' a metrosexual /effeminate AFC, and milk him to death both financially and physically with little reward - sex on Saturday night if your lucky. AFC's are knacked by 40 or 50 and often die before retirement age. Look at the mortality rates if you don't believe me.

Take a walk down any busy main street or around a mall - look at the couples. How many males, especially the married ones do you see that are really happy and walking around with smile on their faces? Hardly any - most are as miserable as sin. These are the AFC's of this world. Down trodden by women. The guy with the genuine smile on his face will be an alpha male - and why is he smiling? Simple, he can have nearly any women he wants and probably just had sex, when he wanted, just before he whet out too. And women can spot guys who are having regular sex, apparently they smell of sex to a women.

I work in an office full of metrosexual / effeminate young males, it's funny as they use to think I am the old man with grey hair that sits in the corner with my comfy slippers and a pipe. They go out 'gaming' most weekends in packs and with little or no success. They didn't use to ask my advice as I was 'old' on 47 at the time, but really old to them. One day it was a leaving do, so for fun they invited me to a club, with the sole purpose of having a laugh at my expense. However, by the end of the evening, it was me that had the last laugh and my respect status at work by these young AFCs has gone through the roof - I not the old man any more, I m called 'Don Juan'.

Why, you might ask.... Well, after nearly an hour of watching them standing around the dance floor stalking their prey, and making several pathetic attempts to chat up women, they had got no where. I found their 'moves' highly amusing, and at one point, one of them actually accused me of spoiling their chances with my age and grey hair. Enough was enough. The tears were rolling down my face with laughing. So, I moved away slight to give them a 'better' chance. Of course, within a minute of moving I was approached by a leggy thirty something brunette that had been casting over the shoulder looks at me since the minute I had arrived in the place. She moved in close, kino me, chatted for a bit, and even offered to buy me a drink - but I gracefully declined. She said some other time perhaps and lifted my hand and wrote her number on it...... women are better gamers than us lads by miles.

Minutes later, I was accidentally 'bumped' into by a little blonde as I returned from the toilet, which ended up in a lengthy conversation with her flirting with me like mad (how I resisted those lip licks I will never know). Finally on the way back to my work colleagues, I was literally dragged on the dance floor by a very pretty girl, who turned out to be 23, and tried to kiss me hard twice on the dance floor, and was ready to get a taxi home with me.... I managed to escape from her and headed back to the boys, who were standing looking at me with their mouths open and totally speechless. I said you either got or you haven't hehehehe Next second, I got a text from my wife on my phone asking me to rush home as she was hot, wet and horny. I let them all see my text, bid my farewells and headed home to my hot wife.

Next Monday morning at the office was equally as funny - you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. They all looked at me for ages, seeing me in a new light. Eventually they came over and called me 'Don Juan'. Then they had to ask what was my 'game', how did I get all those women all over to me. I smiled and said I simply did nothing at all. They gamed me. And because I am older, mature, fit, well dressed grey haired guy, that didn't stand around the edge of the dance floor with 'desperate' tattooed on my forehead, staking every female in the place, I looked cool, relaxed and confident, the traits of an alpha male, and that's what every women wants. You lot made it easier for me by acting like a bunch typical AFCs. But you have wrinkles, grey hair and dress like a bit like a gentleman, they replied. Doesn't matter, I replied, that's what women want... Anyway, as for hot sex last weekend: 47 year old grey hair wrinkly three, AFCs nil !! I sit in this corner with a smile on my face all the time because I have sex often and you lot don't....


The moral of this story is women of all ages want us oldie not pink shirt wear metrosexual/effeminate AFCs.

Just realised that have written loads, well that's it, I have a life and love in the real world....

Gone.....
 

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They go out 'gaming' most weekends in packs and with little or no success.
I don't know where you guys live. This reminds me of the guys here who claim that 90% of males rarely get laid, only the top elite guys do. I kind of wish I was surrounded by all these inept fellows, it would make me feel like a freaking king. Fact is, most of the guys I know get laid all the time. There are a few fumblers who can't seem to get it together, but they are the exception, not the rule.
 
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