"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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penkitten said:
men keep leaving her because of her passive aggressive attitude, her low self esteem and self worth.men want assertive and confident women just as women want assertive and confident men.
what does this mean? shes going to continue to sleep around too fast with anyone hoping to land a man, and then they are going to realise this and walk away too, which will lead her confidence and worth down even more.

its a nasty spiral.
As long as she still looking for men in MySpace and other on-line places...the outcome most likely be the same.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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My ex-fiance (I'm happy every time I write that down, thank heavens we did not get hitched) did not have low self-esteem in general, but she did have trouble handling life when it got hard and in certain areas she did not believe in herself. When she was happy none of it mattered, but as soon as anything went wrong it was, "Oh, I'll never be able to afford a house here, let's move, my job sucks, they won't promote me, I don't want to work for someone else, nag nag nag nag nag you didn't do this and that, kyphan!"

It went away once, but when it came back I knew this would be the ebb and flow of her life. She was always going to be like this.

Run away. Run away as fast as you can. They will bring you down. Find someone else, you cannot, will not, and shall never "save" a low self-esteem woman or a woman who does not believe in herself.
 

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kyphan said:
My ex-fiance (I'm happy every time I write that down, thank heavens we did not get hitched) did not have low self-esteem in general, but she did have trouble handling life when it got hard and in certain areas she did not believe in herself. When she was happy none of it mattered, but as soon as anything went wrong it was, "Oh, I'll never be able to afford a house here, let's move, my job sucks, they won't promote me, I don't want to work for someone else, nag nag nag nag nag you didn't do this and that, kyphan!"

It went away once, but when it came back I knew this would be the ebb and flow of her life. She was always going to be like this.

Run away. Run away as fast as you can. They will bring you down. Find someone else, you cannot, will not, and shall never "save" a low self-esteem woman or a woman who does not believe in herself.
I agree with you.

I understand somebody VERY young. As they still can be reformed with less work. But other than that?
 

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kyphan said:
My ex-fiance (I'm happy every time I write that down, thank heavens we did not get hitched) did not have low self-esteem in general, but she did have trouble handling life when it got hard and in certain areas she did not believe in herself. When she was happy none of it mattered, but as soon as anything went wrong it was, "Oh, I'll never be able to afford a house here, let's move, my job sucks, they won't promote me, I don't want to work for someone else, nag nag nag nag nag you didn't do this and that, kyphan!"

It went away once, but when it came back I knew this would be the ebb and flow of her life. She was always going to be like this.

Run away. Run away as fast as you can. They will bring you down. Find someone else, you cannot, will not, and shall never "save" a low self-esteem woman or a woman who does not believe in herself.
if your parents teach you to run away when responsibilites get too hard, then thats what you try to do when you get older too.
we all are born with certain instinct mechanisms they call flight or fright or fight.
depending on how you are raised, these can be stronger than the average instinct.
 

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penkitten said:
if your parents teach you to run away when responsibilites get too hard, then thats what you try to do when you get older too.
we all are born with certain instinct mechanisms they call flight or fright or fight.
depending on how you are raised, these can be stronger than the average instinct.
You're right in one sense, part of life is how we were raised, and because of how I was raised I tried to help my ex-fiance for months and months. I stuck around for so long trying to help her out, all she did was cry like a baby that life wasn't "going her way." Her and I were definitely raised in different environments. I'm the type of guy who believes in people and does whatever I can for the people I care about. I tried many things to get her to realize that we were only at the beginning of our careers, that things will change, and that sometimes it takes a lot of work and dedication to make progress. She wanted it now and was willing to make an ultimatum to me on things like buying a house (a year before we married). She was running away from responsibility, I was confronting it head-on. This girl is running away from responsibility and HE is looking to confront it head-on.

Bad. Idea. For. Him.

So yes, I'm telling him to run away. HE is not the problem, and therefore he cannot make things different - only SHE can. Get away from the problems you cannot fix, otherwise you will WASTE your time and efforts when you could have been doing something truly productive.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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