"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Women who seek AFC-like guys (under 30 years old)

PapiChulo

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It seems as if some women actually prefer guys with AFC traits, or the ones that are less masculine, less rough, less aggressive, without the edge, in other words "safe". I dont really mean that they are not necessarily sexually attracted to them, but rather dont see themselves being with them.

For the most part these women are usually good-girls (AFC women), inexperienced, feminazis/dominant women who think they can control you, the ones who had bad experiences with "jerks", or other who frown upon any masculine expression.

My response would be that they simply opt out for the safe and reliable choice when it comes to seeing someone.


Please, exclude women who seek marriage, a provider, a sugar-daddy, as in 30 plus demographic.

Whats your take on that? Do you think these women are less feminine, not very worthy to begin with? Do you think one can be too masculine?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I've never experienced this. Although, my current gf jokes that she likes to have power, and that all the guys always listen to her (she is pretty sexy, so that explains it), but whenever I come back with something along the lines of "I don't play those games, you don't have power over me", she snaps right back in to place.

Other than subtle demonstrations of power, or saying that they want a guy they can control, I've never met a younger girl that actually prefers and would pursue an AFC.
 

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My ex-gf got tired of me being more dominant and manly so she went for someone that was "safe" and wanting to "settle down with a career." She hated the fact that I would do my own thing and never listen to her about things (little pieces of sh!t like going to bed at 11PM instead of 1AM or turning off a light)

Now she is dating a guy that totally changed for her (example: hates MTV but now loves to watch shows with her). Nice guy, but never was in a relationship before. I wish them the best in life since I am off having two separate plates now :) and able to be my own person again.

There is girls that have had control over ex-bfs and cannot stand men that stick up for themselves in a relationship. There are definitely women that LOVE AFCs. They are more popular than you would think.

- comic_relief
 

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Its because they are the safer option and is able to dictate where the relationship goes. I mean its nice knowing you can do anything you want without any worries about the other person.
 

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To some degree, it's a maturity thing.

There's a lot of varying degrees but for the most part, The super young girls tend to want the bad boys and the jerks. We know this, already. They are so inexperienced and their choices in men are purely subconscious/instinctual.

A lot of these girls will, as they get a bit older, tire of the B.S. they put up with by dating these idiots so many will swing the other direction and "logically" attempt to date the nice guys.

Of course, as they gain even more experience and they finally mature into adulthood, they finally decide it's time to find the balance. The guys who exhibit traits that the bad boys have as well as a mix of the nice guy traits.

There are women who are very dominant and "male oriented" in their ways and in my experience these types always tend to date the obedient men, especially once they grow old enough to recognize that they need to stay away form men who share their dominant polarity.

My best friend (who is an absolute great guy, but is also one of these obedient "yes dear" types, always dates women who wear the pants. I can't call him an AFC, because he isn't that far over and doesnt do the chumpish things that AFCs do.)

I could never date the women he does, because we would just butt heads.

funny enough, I get the feeling that he is my best friend because of our dynamic which is very similar on a certain level to the dynamic he has with his girlfriends. Loyal, trustworthy and I lead whenever we go do things.

My girls tend to be much like him, as well. Very interesting to think about.

We always tend to seek out the people who "balance out" our personalities, when it comes to mature healthy friendships and relationships.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I see lots of younger girls with AFC-type boyfriends. The thing is, few guys are 100% AFC. They have to have some masculine tendencies, or they wouldn't be males, would they?

I would honestly have a hard time respecting a woman who was with a guy who was too much like they tell you to be on this forum. A guy who is spinning a bunch of plates and acting indifferent to her and all. I mean, I could see her being attracted to him, or having a one night stand, or a casual fling with him.
But for her to try to have a serious relationship with him, and pine for him, while he's out screwing other women? No, I couldn't have respect for a girl like that. She obviously wouldn't have much respect for herself. Maybe if she felt she was close to landing him it might be okay for awhile. But long term? Nah, that girl would probably have some abuse isssues.
 

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PapiChulo said:
It seems as if some women actually prefer guys with AFC traits, or the ones that are less masculine, less rough, less aggressive, without the edge, in other words "safe". I dont really mean that they are not necessarily sexually attracted to them, but rather dont see themselves being with them.
A very high percentage of girls don't care if a guy is super masculine, rough, aggressive, or even edgy.

In detailing these AFCs you didn't mention if they were confident or not. Plenty of guys aren't into the whole macho thing who are still plenty confident, excellent socially, and good looking and clean up.

Honestly I hear GUYS care more about that type of thing than girls. The artist, the intellectual, the nice guy, the dandy, etc. all have their fans amongst the female gender. If guys here actually talked to women once in awhile they'd know that. :)
 

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FairShake said:
Honestly I hear GUYS care more about that type of thing than girls. The artist, the intellectual, the nice guy, the dandy, etc. all have their fans amongst the female gender. If guys here actually talked to women once in awhile they'd know that. :)
There does seem to be a great many different reasons why women are attracted to men. As you point out, there are a lot of different types that attract women. There are a lot of different traits that a guy could have that might appeal to a woman.

SoSuave for the most part just teaches you one type (the cad, I guess). Since most guys are here mainly just wanting to get laid, that's not a bad type to teach, I suppose. In fact, the pickup community in general is geared toward one night stands, so that's pretty much the type most sites teach.
 

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zekko said:
SoSuave for the most part just teaches you one type (the cad, I guess). Since most guys are here mainly just wanting to get laid, that's not a bad type to teach, I suppose. In fact, the pickup community in general is geared toward one night stands, so that's pretty much the type most sites teach.
Only on the surface does sosuave teach men how to get laid and have ONS. If you search deeper, it teaches men how to get into relationships. One just has to look beyond the surface.

- comic_relief
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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