"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Women Who Offer Nothing To My Life

Sargeholic

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I came to this conclusion recently. Most of the women I have been trying to get and have been getting don't offer that much to my life.

I have more money (which they often think I should spend on them), I am better educated, I have a nicer place, a higher class of friends, I am often better looking (though a female 5 still can outpull a male 8 or 9). Then, they expect me to give them the princess treatment and they never call me, never plan anything, never pay (I am expected to do all the work). This seems to be a recent development, as throughout the college years it was always 50/50 or skewed in my favor in most relationships. I do always keep dates cheap and never get caught doing anything very AFC.

My reward for doing everything? Banal, uninspired sex much of the time. Oh, and "the joy of my company" which one girl actually had the nerve to say to me once when I called her on this stuff. I left immediately. The best sex I have had anyway has been with women who didn't do this crap. Honestly, even for good sex, the investment is starting to outweigh the return. I can get myself off, and it doesn't cost a thing and requires very little of my valuable time.

I don't consider myself AFC, because I don't deal with this garbage much past the first date or two. However, if I stop chasing them, they never keep chasing me, like the DJ Bible or other resources say. If I do the work, they stay eagerly, if I do nothing, they leave.

Its not because I am paying for a bunch of stuff, because I often maybe spend $50 on them for three dates combined or so. Mostly, if I "give them the gift of missing me" they disappear. If I chase, they are gung ho about being with me.

I need to find something at least close to 50/50, because if I can't, it honestly is not worth it.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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ethnomethodologist

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Originally posted by Sargeholic
"the joy of my company"
:crackup: HAHAHA!!!

I use that ALL the time! Probably won't anymore though, but that is one of my keepsakes!

I love using it, it's my C+F way of telling a girl why I am even talking to her. I think your problem is you can't take criticism. Everybody is unique, everybody can offer you something.

It depends on what you are looking for, and what you accept though. To gain what you accept, you must conform to your mindset, you don't demand without ever being in control. You don't submit if you want to dominate.

You are fighting two different worlds saying you want 50/50. The thing is, if you don't give your 50 your not going to get what you want. Your expectations may be set too high, my advice, set realistic expectations.
 

reyalp

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Man, you've been getting some seriously cold lays, I don't know what's up with that.

Probably one of the best lays I've ever had was a 31yr old MILF, she used to be a stripper. she was an animal in the bedroom.

Second to that was a 25yo girl with an MIS degree. She was very smart and a freak in the bedroom.

So maybe you should work on identifying the women who might be a more wild lay?
 

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Makes sense, I am a 25 year old guy with a MIS degree...we are wild lays :)

Nah, just been running cold lately. My two best lays ever have both been older postgraduate educated women who didn't put me through a bunch of crap. The best sex I have ever had in my life was with a girl who is the last person you would expect, a quiet, refined, artsy girl who goes to museums, reads The Economist, and dresses very plainly. An absolute freak, who unfortunately moved away.

Honestly, it has been a struggle to find women who even want to interact during sex...zero foreplay, very little touching even...they like to make out or have sex, but that is it. Most women do not know what they are doing.

I need to find someone who can add more to my life than just sex, without taking bucket loads of effort and resources away in exchange.
 

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Befriend a fat, interesting chick then.

Meanwhile, game all the wild lays that you can. :D
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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