"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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women today - poll

Women today are...

  • of the same quality as past generations

    Votes: 11 28.9%
  • are of higher quality than past generations

    Votes: 2 5.3%
  • are of lower quality than past generations

    Votes: 25 65.8%

  • Total voters
    38

joekerr31

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lets get a reading on where men's minds are at. take the poll and lets see.

i know we can argue the defintion of 'quality', but for the sake of this poll lets not argue the term and accept that we all have a general sense of what is meant by it.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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People in general are of lower quality today.

Why? Because they can get away with it. Life is too easy.
 

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It's hard to really answer such a poll. I've only lived within this particular time period, so I can only testify to what I've witnessed. If I were to make an educated guess, I'd say women have always been the way they are since the beginning of human existence.
 

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women are of lower quality in the eyes of us men. but according to women themselves they feel, they are 'moving' up. this is due to the feminists fueling independence and putting men down. also has a lot to do with the media.. look at it.. today 2007... everything is advanced.. there is so much emphasis on acquiring. there is greed everywhere!! greed for money, happiness, a better partner and sex! (people wanna have sex with each and everyone and still want 100% pleasure by not wearing condoms... this is sheer stupidity)

why is there so much greed? women are looking for the bigger, better deal all the time and men are looking fo 'quality' women... just reading that line again.. wants to make me laugh, cuz we are technically looking for something that doesn't exist

the world may be becoming a more fascinating place, but the people are turning into real shIIT.

morals, values.. are slowly disaapearing.. and this is just the beginning.
 

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Times have changed and people followed suite. For as many bad points for the change of time and people, there are good points. People suth like the times, are different.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I see at this early stage the poll is swinging to “lower quality” dramatically.

As we sit around our digital campfire complaining about women I have to laugh and think that the very same discussions had to have occurred around a real campfire 20 thousand years ago.

I have lived through several eras of women and what others perceive as change I perceive as merely a variation on a theme.

Then as now men tell themselves they have it worse than their fathers because each generation perceives that "women are worse now than ever".

There is nothing new under the sun. They are the same.

But....they didn't have SoSuave. Lets elevate our game, shall we?
 

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I am wondering if the FIVE WOMEN who voted "higher quality" could explain why they are HIGHER quality than their mothers.
 
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For me lower quality women isn't all bad.Sex comes easier, just the ltr's are harder to qualify.Just look at the divorce rate these days.But you just have to adapt to the times.
 

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i said lower quality because i feel all people in general are lower in quality as compared to the little house days.
 

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I'm sure grinder is right - "variations on a theme" :thumbsup: He's also right that the only solution is to improve our own game. :thumbsup: Man, to anybody who thinks differently, just read a few history books. There were some real b1tches back then. Heck, read The Bible.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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HI Pen Kitten, the question is whether WOMEN are higher or lower today,not whether PEOPLE are higher or lower quality..
I think that the results so far are an early indication of how men perceive women's behavior today..
 

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jophil28 said:
HI Pen Kitten, the question is whether WOMEN are higher or lower today,not whether PEOPLE are higher or lower quality...
Ooooohhhhhhhh... THAT'S why we've had so many problems, we've been treating women as people!!!:D
 

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jophil28 said:
HI Pen Kitten, the question is whether WOMEN are higher or lower today,not whether PEOPLE are higher or lower quality..
I think that the results so far are an early indication of how men perceive women's behavior today..
really? i thought women were people.
how silly of me...
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Ooooohhhhhhhh... THAT'S why we've had so many problems, we've been treating women as people!!!:D
or not :crackup:
 

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The POLL QUESTION is whether WOMEN are higher or lower quality.

If you submitted a vote which reflected your opinion as to whether PEOPLE are higher or lower quality then you answered a question that JoeKer did not ask.
If you want to examine the current consensus about PEOPLE'S quality rating then start another poll.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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jophil28 said:
The POLL QUESTION is whether WOMEN are higher or lower quality.

If you submitted a vote which reflected your opinion as to whether PEOPLE are higher or lower quality then you answered a question that JoeKer did not ask.
If you want to examine the current consensus about PEOPLE'S quality rating then start another poll.
someone pee in your cheerios today?
the rules here are the same that they always have been, if you don't agree with something someone said you can either choose to look at the next post rather than stew in the one you did not like or understand or you can discuss it.
you do not seem like you want to discuss anything, you seem as if you are trying to argue with me about something so silly.
women are people.
men are people.
and in my opinion all people are lower quality as compared to the quality of people back in the days of the forefathers.

what part about my opinion did you not understand?
or is it because i said ALL people are lower quality which also includes men?

you don't have to like my opinion, but you should at least respect it, as i actually voted for the same thing you did. duh :crackup:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Ooooohhhhhhhh... THAT'S why we've had so many problems, we've been treating women as people!!!:D
Dude I've known for years that was a bad idea... where have you been?

:up:
:crackup:
 

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Luthor Rex said:
Dude I've known for years that was a bad idea... where have you been?

:up:
:crackup:
That's true, real men don't have breast... ;)
 

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Yes Penkitty - I agree, you are right - you are a real PEOPLE . happy now ?
Yawn.
 

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However I still have this sneaking suspicion that you will want to have the last word .
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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