Women should be a complement, not your entire focus

[Manure Spherian]

He goes into a lot about how you have to be equal in the marriage.

Equality is the way to divorce. Women want to screw men they envy. It’s inequality that makes men attractive.

A woman once said to me that when a man says he married his best friend, it makes her want to vomit in her mouth.

From an article I will not link for good reason:

“… her search for a man who would not only love her but also master her.”

 

[Rainman4707]

Equality is the way to divorce. Women want to screw men they envy. It’s inequality that makes men attractive.

A woman once said to me that when a man says he married his best friend, it makes her want to vomit in her mouth.

From an article I will not link for good reason:

“… her search for a man who would not only love her but also master her.”

Yes i totally get that, i think that is half the battle showing women who is boss.

I will just put here the points that Dr Jordan Peterson said on Diary of a CEO :-

Marriage as a "Sacrifice": Peterson describes marriage as a sacrificial offering where you sacrifice potential relationships with all others to commit to one person. He views it not as "voluntary enslavement" but as a profound adoption of responsibility to solve life's hardest problems together within a boundary of permanence.
The Danger of "Living Together" First: He argues that cohabitating before marriage can actually increase the likelihood of relationship failure. He asserts that living together is not a true "model" for marriage because it lacks the core element of permanent commitment that defines a marital bond.

The "90-Minute Rule": To maintain a healthy relationship, Peterson advises that couples must talk for at least 90 minutes a week purely about their lives, problems, and logistics to stay "in sync" and prevent alienation.
Weekly Date Nights: He emphasizes that having a dedicated date night at least once—and ideally twice—a week is crucial for reestablishing and maintaining a romantic bond.

Radical Commitment ("Shackling"): He advocates for "shackling" yourself to your partner, meaning you decide that running away is not an option no matter how difficult things get. This permanence, he argues, creates the security needed to face mutual flaws and work through deep issues like trauma or addiction.

Sexual Relationship Challenges: Peterson links the decline of sex in modern society to the consumption of pornography and the avoidance of the "true adventure" of life.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

A woman once said to me that when a man says he married his best friend, it makes her want to vomit in her mouth.

As opposed to what? Should he have said "I married a girl beneath me"? Or what Is the right expression?

Who is this woman you speak of? Is she on a healthy relationship? How long has the relationship been going on?

 

[Manure Spherian]

Yes i totally get that, i think that is half the battle showing women who is boss.

I will just put here the points that Dr Jordan Peterson said on Diary of a CEO :-

Marriage as a "Sacrifice": Peterson describes marriage as a sacrificial offering where you sacrifice potential relationships with all others to commit to one person. He views it not as "voluntary enslavement" but as a profound adoption of responsibility to solve life's hardest problems together within a boundary of permanence.
The Danger of "Living Together" First: He argues that cohabitating before marriage can actually increase the likelihood of relationship failure. He asserts that living together is not a true "model" for marriage because it lacks the core element of permanent commitment that defines a marital bond.

The "90-Minute Rule": To maintain a healthy relationship, Peterson advises that couples must talk for at least 90 minutes a week purely about their lives, problems, and logistics to stay "in sync" and prevent alienation.
Weekly Date Nights: He emphasizes that having a dedicated date night at least once—and ideally twice—a week is crucial for reestablishing and maintaining a romantic bond.

Radical Commitment ("Shackling"): He advocates for "shackling" yourself to your partner, meaning you decide that running away is not an option no matter how difficult things get. This permanence, he argues, creates the security needed to face mutual flaws and work through deep issues like trauma or addiction.

Sexual Relationship Challenges: Peterson links the decline of sex in modern society to the consumption of pornography and the avoidance of the "true adventure" of life.

I’m not a JP fan but I agree with all of this. I believe in the permanence of marriage unless there are serious transgressions, such as abuse, abandonment, or adultery.

 

[Manure Spherian]

As opposed to what?

I don’t know. I mean, I’m married myself, but I don’t refer to my wife as my best friend. I have referred to us as a team to her and others.

Or what Is the right expression?

I’m don’t think there is a right one. And couple dynamics vary.

Who is this woman you speak of? Is she on a healthy relationship? How long has the relationship been going on?

A 60-year old married acquaintance. She seems happy in her marriage. But I don’t know any details.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Marriage is meant to be a partenship, even if you dont get married, she still has you by the balls, shared house. SHE IS YOUR LIFE, NOT A COMPLEMENT. Am i missing something here?

Marriage is a social construct thats been built by capitalism into something it was never supposed to be

The purpose of it was originally purely financial for rich aristocrats to marry into each other's families and protect their status and social dominance

Plebs ( the masses) were never supposed to get married at such scale but In doing so a new economy was built around it , then Hollywood and the media realised they could dictate a narrative and all of a sudden diamond rings had to be bought to crystallise the marriage

You would have to be mentally disabled to believe two people could stay together for 50+ years simply because they muttered some words under an alter , had a big party and exchanged an expensive ring

Now depending on how able you are to think critically will depend on how much you believe in this bullish!t

If you don't believe in any of it then a woman cannot be your " life" she can be a companion sure and I think women can make great companions in the right circumstances

The problems come when people buy too heavily into the concept and later realise its all a lie and they can't stand each other

 

[Rainman4707]

• Marriage is a social construct thats been built by capitalism into something it was never supposed to be
  
  The purpose of it was originally purely financial for rich aristocrats to marry into each other's families and protect their status and social dominance
  
  Plebs ( the masses) were never supposed to get married at such scale but In doing so a new economy was built around it , then Hollywood and the media realised they could dictate a narrative and all of a sudden diamond rings had to be bought to crystallise the marriage
  
  You would have to be mentally disabled to believe two people could stay together for 50+ years simply because they muttered some words under an alter , had a big party and exchanged an expensive ring
  
  Now depending on how able you are to think critically will depend on how much you believe in this bullish!t
  
  If you don't believe in any of it then a woman cannot be your " life" she can be a companion sure and I think women can make great companions in the right circumstances
  
  The problems come when people buy too heavily into the concept and later realise its all a lie and they can't stand each other

  I have never married. Both my last two long term girlfriends have wanted me to marry them. Marriage has always been to much of a long term commitment for me.

However Jordan Peterson has been preaching about marriage. His main points are the following :

He has shared several key thoughts on marriage throughout his talks, interviews, and his book, 12 Rules for Life. His views reflect a combination of psychological insight, personal responsibility, and cultural commentary. Here's a breakdown of some of the major themes regarding his views on marriage:
1. Marriage as a Crucial Part of Stability
Peterson believes that marriage is a critical institution for societal and personal stability. He argues that it provides a foundation of structure and commitment that allows individuals to live meaningful, responsible lives. He often contrasts this with the modern tendency to view relationships as more casual or disposable, which, in his view, weakens long-term commitment and the stability that marriage offers.
Example:
Peterson has spoken about how stable families (fostered by marriage) are essential for raising well-adjusted children, who in turn become responsible and productive members of society. He emphasizes that marriage serves as an anchor that gives individuals purpose and emotional stability.

2. Marriage as a Sacred and Serious Commitment
In his discussions, Peterson underscores that marriage is not just a contract but something deeply sacred. He sees it as a partnership that requires ongoing work, sacrifice, and a commitment to the long term.
He talks about marriage as a ritualized commitment, where two people take on responsibilities for each other. He stresses that intimacy, honesty, and trust are the pillars of a successful marriage. Peterson often advises couples to take vows seriously and to view them as a moral commitment rather than a temporary arrangement.

3. Marriage as a Source of Personal Growth
Peterson believes that marriage is a transformative process. It can serve as a mirror for one's own character flaws and provide opportunities for growth. In a marriage, partners are forced to confront their own limitations, ego, and weaknesses, which, according to him, can lead to personal development. He suggests that it's in the conflicts and challenges of marriage that people learn to negotiate, compromise, and become better versions of themselves.
He often highlights that marriage is one of the most difficult relationships and that it requires people to grow up and take responsibility. According to Peterson, both partners should work to develop their individual potential within the framework of their commitment to each other.

I think some women dream about their wedding since they are little girls, however i see that the times might be changing (women going their own way, decline in birth rate etc)

Marriage is a scary thing for a man especially if he has good assets. Maybe just stay in a partnership with the woman.

 

[Manure Spherian]

• 
  I have never married. Both my last two long term girlfriends have wanted me to marry them. Marriage has always been to much of a long term commitment for me.

However Jordan Peterson has been preaching about marriage. His main points are the following :

He has shared several key thoughts on marriage throughout his talks, interviews, and his book, 12 Rules for Life. His views reflect a combination of psychological insight, personal responsibility, and cultural commentary. Here's a breakdown of some of the major themes regarding his views on marriage:
1. Marriage as a Crucial Part of Stability
Peterson believes that marriage is a critical institution for societal and personal stability. He argues that it provides a foundation of structure and commitment that allows individuals to live meaningful, responsible lives. He often contrasts this with the modern tendency to view relationships as more casual or disposable, which, in his view, weakens long-term commitment and the stability that marriage offers.
Example:
Peterson has spoken about how stable families (fostered by marriage) are essential for raising well-adjusted children, who in turn become responsible and productive members of society. He emphasizes that marriage serves as an anchor that gives individuals purpose and emotional stability.

2. Marriage as a Sacred and Serious Commitment
In his discussions, Peterson underscores that marriage is not just a contract but something deeply sacred. He sees it as a partnership that requires ongoing work, sacrifice, and a commitment to the long term.
He talks about marriage as a ritualized commitment, where two people take on responsibilities for each other. He stresses that intimacy, honesty, and trust are the pillars of a successful marriage. Peterson often advises couples to take vows seriously and to view them as a moral commitment rather than a temporary arrangement.

3. Marriage as a Source of Personal Growth
Peterson believes that marriage is a transformative process. It can serve as a mirror for one's own character flaws and provide opportunities for growth. In a marriage, partners are forced to confront their own limitations, ego, and weaknesses, which, according to him, can lead to personal development. He suggests that it's in the conflicts and challenges of marriage that people learn to negotiate, compromise, and become better versions of themselves.
He often highlights that marriage is one of the most difficult relationships and that it requires people to grow up and take responsibility. According to Peterson, both partners should work to develop their individual potential within the framework of their commitment to each other.

I think some women dream about their wedding since they are little girls, however i see that the times might be changing (women going their own way, decline in birth rate etc)

Marriage is a scary thing for a man especially if he has good assets. Maybe just stay in a partnership with the woman.

Did you get this from ChatGPT? I agree with much of what Peterson says on the matter.

Marriage is precarious with our current laws and divorce regime. However I think some men say “I’m never marrying” or “convince me to get married” as a coping mechanism because no women want to marry them. Also some men say it’s scary, though don’t actually think it, because they cannot commit to women.

 

[Manure Spherian]

You would have to be mentally disabled to believe two people could stay together for 50+ years simply because they muttered some words under an alter , had a big party and exchanged an expensive ring

Now depending on how able you are to think critically will depend on how much you believe in this bullish!t

If you don't believe in any of it then a woman cannot be your " life" she can be a companion sure and I think women can make great companions in the right circumstances

The problems come when people buy too heavily into the concept and later realise its all a lie and they can't stand each other

Many people were and are married for 40 to 50 years and loved or love each other. My in laws have been with each other for 45 years and still love and screw each other. I’m glad those who can’t conceive of this aren’t marrying.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Many people were and are married for 40 to 50 years and loved or love each other. My in laws have been with each other for 45 years and still love and screw each other. I’m glad those who can’t conceive of this aren’t marrying.

The divorce rate would generally prove you wrong ,

they are in the minority as are your parents who Likely grew up in much simpler times where they knew about 30 people in their town throughout their entire lifetimes and there was no abundance of digital global choice.

Outliers who will sustain a long prosperous marriage in 2026 may still be out there but they'll be far and few between

My own parents fell out of "love" donkeys years ago and have been together by sheer will power ever since.

 

[Rainman4707]

Your examples don’t really change the principle, whether he’s a truck driver or rich. If he provides, manages the household, and maintains his life, she functions as a complement, not the focus. Being a complement doesn’t depend on income, it depends on him keeping his priorities and purpose first.

Common horror story i see and hear is women changing once they get married. Withold sex more often, more naggy, bossy etc.

Part of the reason i have never married.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Marriage is meant to be a partenship...

-The CIA and NSA were meant to anticipate events like The Shah's overthrowal/prevent 9-11 type catastrophes

-Our courts are meant to administer impartial justice, rather than giving celebrities a pass on damned near everything, murder included

-Universities are meant to perform some function other than scamming naive youngsters into believing activists are heroes, rather than annoying, smackable naggers

-That SA 1911 you spent a small fortune on is meant to end the carjacker who snuck up on you in a darkened garage at quarter to midnight, instead of jamming/misfiring, BEFORE you've put even ONE round through that f-c-er's skull


The list of scenarios in which theory doesn't remotely resemble what actually happens out in the wild could stretch from where I'm sitting now(A hotel room in The Southwest)to the middle of Antartica... Dunno what our basis is, for thinking marriage is somehow exempt from this same principle