Women, Power and dominance

[ManOMan]

This may not be a new revelation to some people, but it is new to me.

I finally sat down and thought about why women are in the seat of higher power , when it comes to setting out the pvssy, and why guys have to go through hoops to get to this promiseland.

The ONLY power a woman has over a guy, is her sexuality. She doesnt have strength, intelligence, power, money or anything else worthwhile that a man has (im talking about general population, so dont give me this "yea? What about oprah or the queen of england??")

With most HB's, they know that the ONLY way they can get on an equal level of dominance to a man, is by focusing on the need, a weakness of a man. The need for sex.

Their sexuality and attractivness is a TOOL. and dont be fooled, WOMEN KNOW THIS. This is why so many women get a power trip over some guy that gave in to her seductive ways and bought her drinks, a house, a car, free meals, etc.

Recently, I have mixed my technique from what I learned here, and my previous AFC ways.

I could confidently walk into a bar, be c/f, score digits, set up dates.

While on the date, I would act somewhat AFC.

My thing is the massage. I always grab a girl and give her a massage (kino) , even if it means being a supplicating AFC.

Girl #1: After seeing I wasnt getting anything more than letting me massage her, I gave up, and told her she was boring me. She came back and told me "Its OK, I had you make me breakfast, bring me whatever I wanted while I crashed on your sofa, and give me a long massage"

Girl #2: AT my place, I was trying to sex her up, but she wouldnt let me do anything more than massage her (she even didnt mind when I massaged her ass and kissed her back)

Even tho this girl shows high IL (calls me 4-5 times a week), she jokingly said "you are my little bootlick, you will do whatever I ask"

These 2 events brought me to the conclusion that women eventually sense when the power of their sexuality has weakened a man, and made him look unfavorable.

so what do women look for? A man who can give 2 sh1ts about their sexuality, getting laid, or giving in to the womans sexual seductions.

That is, a guy who can score pvssy anywhere. If a guy has multiple women clawing to get with him, then she realizes her power of sexuality has just been reduced to zero.

Even this so called "Social Proof" is nothing more than a woman realizing that her sexual prowess has just been reduced to ZERO because other women are supposedly competing for your affection. TRUST me when I say, if I walked into a bar with 2 hired escorts at my sides clawing for my attention, other women will notice. Their powers of seduction or their valued "goods" will be reduced to NOTHING, because they realize sex is no longer a commodity for a man like you, because "apparently" you can get it anywhere , anytime.

So this follows with the "knocking women off their pedestal" routine. Once they realize, their sex appeal has no power over you, they begin to squeal like worms and literally BEG for your attention and throw themselves at you.

So in a way, women WANT guys to DOMINATE them. This means, the BEST guy to win the goods, is a guy who doesnt give power to the pvssy. A guy who doesnt give in to feminine charm and allure, just because he wants to get laid.

Kind of like in the Tao of steve when he said "Be Desireless". That is a misnomer. A desireless man is a bore in the sack. What he meant was "Have desire for sex/women, but dont make it seem top priority" (which follows smoothly into Pooks idea of "Do what you love #1, and put women as 2nd or 3rd)

I notice whenever I have a steady girlfriend, I know the sex is there, and I can focus on my career and hobbies, and women suddenly justthrow themselves at me (the old adage that when you have a girlfriend, other women throw themselves at you)

But the reality is, you have a g/f, you are focusing on improving yourself, and your need for sex from other women is minimized, so other girls pick up on this vibe that "you dont need sex", and That my friends, is what disempowers a woman. A guy who wont give in to their sexual seductions.

On the flipside, whenever Im single and dating, the only thing on my mind is sex, sex, sex. I let my sexual needs override works, school, hobbies, everything. and as my behavior changes, women sense that my need for sex is STRONG, which empowers THEM, and gives them the POWER.

and once they have the POWER, you lose. Because women LOVE to be dominated, and taken control by a man who doesnt give in to their sexual prowess. Dont believe me?

See how women always brag about some AFC who bought them drinks, dinners, flowers etc? but NEVER hook up with them sexually? They think of it as a sport, their Sex Appeal has conquered yet another man.

But deep deep down, who do they long for? The jerk? The jerk is merely a man who isnt swayed by the girls sexual advances/seductions. A guy who gets pvssy so often, that he could care less if this one particular girl sets out or not. and the Women always seem to go with the jerk vs. the AFC right?

My main idea is this. Between men and women, its basically a POWER struggle.

Women will put you through a sh1t test to see if their looks, sex, seductions can make you do whatever they want. If you lose your self control based on your need for sex/girlfriend YOU LOSE, and they will go on to the next guy.

But if you Quickly disarm a girls only weapon against you (her looks/sex), you will see that she has nothing more to offer you and will bend over backwards to get your attention.

Disarming her power against you can be done in many ways based on my readings on this forum :

Mystery(keep her guessing, "is my sex appeal working on this guy or NOT!???),

PUSH/PULL (act interested, then Not interested),

Social Proof (you can get sex anywhere right?),

Being Busy (you would rather watch a football game than have sex),

Be a CHallenge/unavailable (other girls want you right? so this girl will have to flaunt more than just her ass to get YOUR attention)

Im curious to hear your feedback and see if I have any flaws with this Point of view.

cheers!

 

[Aramas]

That's about the most convoluted crock of shyt I've read in a while. All you're doing is making feeble excuses for missing the signals from go to whoa.

I don't even know where to start - it's all wrong.

But start here - the only power anyone ever has over you is what you give them. It all comes back to you.

 

[ManOMan]

???

What in gods name is your point besides spewing out an old cliche "the only power they have is what you give them"??

What part of me did you disagree with? What the hell does "going from go to whoa" mean?

All Im saying is that women KNOW the power of their sexuality, and unless you have been living underneath a rock, you know its POWERFUL.

Ive known guys to miss work, cheat on their girls, give up school, money, give up their dignity/political power, etc because they gave in to the POWER of a womans sexuality and their own need for sex

I think I understand your mentality of giving "power" to women just because they are attractive and hold the sex card, but in its deepest essence, as men, they have something we want. Our only option is to "act" like we dont want it, or enmesh/distract ourselves with other things/hobbies/careers/women that will give them the VIBE that their power is weakened

 

[Supernaut40]

i'M WITH YOU mONo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

 

[Zossima]

I agree with a lot of what was posted and it is very well thought out. Any man that thinks males still have the power in today's society are either gay or are deluding themselves.

We are a culture of feminism and homosexuality and heterosexual, masculine men are now a disenfranchised sub-culture. Today's male is to blame because they've bought into the "liberal" crap of "girl power" just for the sake of getting more p*ssy. Meanwhile, laws are passed and judgements are made against real, red-blooded males.

The power of p*ssy is stronger than any inherant urge yet man surrenders and bows because he is weak and picks the instant pleasure over long-term happiness and wisdom. Until men can put p*ssy into rational perspective they are doomed to a life of unconsciousness and misery as the radicals imprison them with the shackles of bad laws, bad social planning and bad philosophy.

By being blinded by p*ssy and the sexual revolution man has regressed into an empty shell just waiting to be led to emotional and legal slaughter.

Men are weaker than ever and they have themselves to blame for not being a "MAN".

 

[trevor2003]

ManOMan, I totally agree with you! You've made some great points, eventhough I figured this stuff out long ago.

I see this stuff happen everyday. Some girls have nothing else going for them in their lives except their looks and they try to use their pu$$y as a weapon on guys that don't know any better. I agree with the comment you made about the power trip girls get when some guy that gave in to her seductive ways and bought her drinks, a house, a car, free meals, etc.

I find Attention Wh0res and Gold Diggers tend to pull this kind of sh!t a lot. By not giving into her and showing her that you won't bend over backwards to get into her panties you've just took away all her power, and this is what will help you bang these girls.

 

[coldcoal]

Women are just as much intrigued by sex as men are. I don't see a power struggle at all. I see variable degrees of qualification; standards.

Easy women want to see a hard on and a pulse. Hard to get women want to see the 6 figure salary and yacht. Hopeless romantics want candle light. Virgins want to know if you love them. Prostitutes want to see the money. And yes, some women want to know how much a man can be manipulated first.

Men are not all that different when seeking out women, only we are named differently; AFCs, DJs, gigilos...

It is not who has the power, it is who measures up to who's standards.

Tao Of Steve and Pook have very creative ways of breaking all of this down, but the bottom line is that a man who lives up to particular aspects will interact most promising with women of the same magnitude.

 

[Player_Supreme]

finally sat down and thought about why women are in the seat of higher power , when it comes to setting out the pvssy, and why guys have to go through hoops to get to this promiseland.


1. She only has the power that you give to her.

2. When you become addicted to the pvssy then she has all the power. Take away your addiction and put it under your control and she no longer has a hold over you.

3. Then you will see why I rarely pay for dates or anything else...and why they beg me for what I used to crave.

You can't pimp something you love.

 

[MackJr]

It's funny, women say that men are into getting power, but really, I think that women are more sensitive to power than men. When we're working at a job and trying to get a promotion, it's about getting more challenge and respect. Women however, will explicitly think about power and always consider whether they're up or down in the power equation. This may be due to their natural submissiveness. Without someone to dominate, they can't be submissive.

The way the DJ theory teaches it, it's confusing at first. We're told not to show interest, yet it seems illogical that not showing interest would work. It's not so much not showing interest as it is not supplicating. HB10 has perfect abs, tight buttocks and a beautiful face. The only response that will work is to show that you're not going to bow down to her because of that and hence show that you can take part in her submissive fantasy.

I think part of this comes from women not really understanding men. We're less macho around each other than we have to be around women when trying to date them. They have an idealized concept of a man, which is their weakness, and if you play that role to some degree, you have her.

 

[Kineti[C]harm]

Or lets just cut the crap and say it like this....


Girls want good looking boys with charm, a good body and a great smile. This is primaldesire, it trumphs anything else. Easy as that.

 

[Big Pappy]

Power! Talk about aphrodisiacs!

The dynamic between man and woman is not all about power, but it is there. Every woman is different, but I really believe that the mentally healthy women find a powerful man to be quite sexy.

I think what ManOMan is saying is that if you're weak, you're beat. As a man, we must be sure to not have kindness mistaken for weakness.

Supplicating to a woman in the hopes of bedding her usually doesn't work, because instinctively, a woman wants a powerful, leader type. I know there are many ladies who like to take charge, but even these ladies like a man who can take charge at least some times. When a man supplicates with a specific return in mind, that's what I call attempted bribery.

God loves a cheerful giver; someone who gives with no expectations. So, when you're rubbing this girls back, you should do so under the premise that you're just helping your fellow man, easing some suffering. Providing a measure of therapeutic touch. If you're rubbing this girls back with the desire to turn her on and hopefully get some, maybe you will, but then again, maybe she'll turn you into her cuddleb*tch and use you for the comfort that you provide.

It's not that great of a mystery, guys. Just be yourself and look out for yourself. Recognize that you have every right to enjoy your life. As you endeavor to do the things that you enjoy, women are going to be naturally attracted to that. The only way you can mess it up is to be awkward or overly arrogant. Be confident in who you are and everything else will happen naturally.

 

[Aramas]

MoM - what you did in that post was pick out all the most ridiculous aspects of SS/DJ dogma and tried to tie them into a formula that excuses your own fears and mistakes.

Women don't have any more power than men do. The reason for men being the ones required to take the initiative is is to prove that we can. If we want to take the male role in any interaction then we have to be dominant (not domineering). We have to be 'the man'. The thing is, most guys don't know what that means. I could tell you to watch Fight Club a dozen or so times, but most people miss the point in that too.

The ONLY power a woman has over a guy, is her sexuality. She doesnt have strength, intelligence, power, money or anything else worthwhile that a man has (im talking about general population, so dont give me this "yea? What about oprah or the queen of england??")

This is just plain sad, sick and fvcked up. Women have everything that you do except a d!ck. Stop trying to put them down to make yourself feel better. Women and men are equal but different, and take different roles in relationships. Ideally the man is dominant, but that does not mean he's superior or more powerful - it's just a role.

Everything you wrote after that is the same reactionary pvssy whipped dogmatic drivel as you started with, and is not only blatantly wrong, but you can not possibly have any meaningful tie with a woman until you deprogram yourself and get real.

Until you can relate to women in the same way that you relate to anyone else, then you're comletely missing the point and are doomed to endless failure.

Jeffreys, DeAngelo, Doc Love etc. would love you - people like you will pay for their Porches and unless you ditch the crutches and face reality, you'll keep paying for the rest of your life.

 

[iqqi]

Originally posted by Aramas
Jeffreys, DeAngelo, Doc Love etc. would love you - people like you will pay for their Porches and unless you ditch the crutches and face reality, you'll keep paying for the rest of your life.

that is what's up.

 

[ManOMan]

Jeeesh Aramis,

What bug crawled in you and died? Im not bitter, chauvanistic or played.

Im not saying men and women arent on an equal footing. All Im saying is that women KNOW they have the power , when it comes to sex n candy. They are trained from birth to "withhold sex" and "seduce men" and attempt to strip them of their power and weakness.

I am merely trying to make sense of the man/woman communication pattern & interaction.

Sure a woman can be intelligent, ambitious, wealthy and powerful. But that doesnt discount the fact that women use their sex appeal to sway guys in their favor.

You show me one HB who doesnt know the power of their sex appeal, who hasnt used it to weed out the chumps from the guys who dont buy into it.

All im saying is that women know the power of their sexuality, and they USE it ! and that not falling for their game will bring that man in a more favorable light.

Jeez, lighten up, this is a discussion forum, and I just wanted to see if my ideas had any grain of truth.

 

[iqqi]

Originally posted by ManOMan
They are trained from birth to "withhold sex" and "seduce men" and attempt to strip them of their power and weakness.

have you ever considered that maybe a woman just doesn't WANT to sleep with you? why does it have to be "withholding", and manipulative?

 

[ManOMan]

ummm Iqqi, my theory is not based on my life experiences only. Its a generalized theory trying to understand women from a sociological and evolutionary standpoint.

Ive read some of your posts regarding how you are "playing" your men, and how they are supposedly "smitten" with you

what are you doing? you are basically having a power struggle with these guys, and I will put my money that the guy that shows you the LEAST attention, the guy who doesnt fall prey to your "sexual charm", or the guy whom you percieve has women all over him, will win the girl

from my standpoint, the guy that renders your powers of seduction as useless

what the hell does some girl not wanting to sleep with me have to do with this discussion???

 

[Blurred Elevens]

^^^^
ManOMan steps back, dribbles, shoots the fadeaway........Swish! He wins!


Also, Aramas is lost. He hasn't learned that pvssy is a commodity that is usaully high in demand. Women know this, and get what they can for it. If they just handed that **** out for free, they'd be a bunch of broke, homeless, disrespected hos. Men want it, women know it. Women also know that their power is gone once they put out, and that's why things CHANGE when they do.

Why do you think you quit persuing a woman after you've nailed her multiple times? This **** isn't rocket science you guys....

 

[Aramas]

rofl - the Lost Boys

Just in case you guys haven't noticed, women are for more obsessed with sex than men are. They're not 'withholding sex' - they're just waiting for the guy to prove that he knows how to be the man (assuming she's already attracted - if not, dream on).

MoM's story is that of a classic whipped pvssy, and it's no wonder that women toy with him - what else are they going to do?

 

[ManOMan]

That is an excellent point Blurred.

Ever notice after you nail a chick, she bends over backwards and walks on nails to get your attention????

That is because she no longer has any type of stranglehold on you and has lost all forms of sexual power over the man. So what do they have left to sell?? The guy got what they wanted and the female is left disempowered.

But before she sets it out, she acts like her ass is made of solid gold.

Some people might argue that once a woman has sex with a guy they build a "emotional attachment" with the guy and suddenly become "connected" with the guy.

But isnt it more like giving away your power of seduction and have nothing else left to offer?? C'mon!!! you've seen it happen a bizzillion times!! Girl plays hard to get, girl gets laid, girl wants to marry the guy

A few people on this thread seem to "get it" or understand what Im saying

The others are on a moral high horse or some political correctness

correct me if im wrong??

edit

" Just in case you guys haven't noticed, women are for more obsessed with sex than men are. They're not 'withholding sex' - they're just waiting for the guy to prove that he knows how to be the man"


DUHHH!!! you are just supporting my POV. They are waiting for a guy who can strip them of their power of seduction. Women by nature WANT to be dominated. Its their submissive nature.

But until they meet the guy who doesnt care about their sexual appeal, they will toy with the men who fall for their games.

its a sexual game, the guy who Dominates wins the pvssy!

 

[iqqi]

Originally posted by ManOMan
correct me if im wrong??

as if you'd allow it.