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Performing an act that's entirely for the woman's pleasure is inherently beta.
Going along with this theory for the moment:
I'm guessing this wouldn't be a problem with lesbians. If one lesbian performs the act on another, presumably she won't lose respect since they're both women. Unless expectations are such that one might want a particularly butch lesbian. I'm not sure how such power dynamics work. But they have to get their pleasure somewhere, so you'd think it might be involved.
 

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Going along with this theory for the moment:
I'm guessing this wouldn't be a problem with lesbians. If one lesbian performs the act on another, presumably she won't lose respect since they're both women. Unless expectations are such that one might want a particularly butch lesbian. I'm not sure how such power dynamics work. But they have to get their pleasure somewhere, so you'd think it might be involved.
Dead bedrooms are very common in lesbian couples
 

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Going along with this theory for the moment.
OK but several men have posted it's for their pleasure too, it gives them pleasure knowing he's the source of his woman's pleasure.

I liken it to how it gives ME pleasure giving my husband and boyfriends before him a blow job. I dunno maybe that's a different dynamic because for me at least I am being submissive.

But it does sexually excite me seeing how much HE is enjoying it, and then after he cums, the gratification. For both of us.

Pleasure comes in so many different ways, from both receiving and giving.

Also as many have mentioned including myself, giving oral to a woman can be dominant when you're doing it on your terms, and in a more aggressive take charge manner.
 

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OK but several men have posted it's for their pleasure too, it gives them pleasure knowing he's the source of his woman's pleasure.

I liken it to how it gives ME pleasure giving my husband and boyfriends before him a blow job. I dunno maybe that's a different dynamic because for me at least I am being submissive.

But it does sexually excite me seeing how much HE is enjoying it, and then after he cums, the gratification. For both of us.

Pleasure comes in so many different ways, from both receiving and giving.

Also as many have mentioned including myself, giving oral to a woman can be dominant when you're doing it on your terms, and in a more aggressive take charge manner.
Just sounds like a lot of guys with theories but not many with experiences
 

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Just sounds like a lot of guys with theories but not many with experiences
@Pierce.Manhammer ? He's older and has tons of experience including a long term marriage.

Other experienced guys said same - @Gamisch for example.

I think if I enjoyed it, my husband would do it. Not in a passive "beta" way, nothing about his sexual style is passive!

But I'm not into it, I like fvcking much better, for many reasons that I won't get into here. ;)
 

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@Pierce.Manhammer ? He's older and has tons of experience including a long term marriage.

Other experienced guys said same - @Gamisch for example.

I think if I enjoyed it, my husband would do it. Not in a passive "beta" way, nothing about his sexual style is passive!

But I'm not into it, I like fvcking much better, for many reasons that I won't get into here. ;)
No, I mean the ones who are saying not to do it or saying a woman loses respect for a guy if they do it.

IMHO if a woman loses respect for a guy over that he never had much to begin with from her.
 

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No, I mean the ones who are saying not to do it or saying a woman loses respect for a guy if they do it.

IMHO if a woman loses respect for a guy over that he never had much to begin with from her.
Oh OK thanks for clarifying.

Agree about respect. Think I posted previously I wouldn't lose respect, I just don't enjoy it and prefer fvcking..
 

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As I’ve said before it’s just another tool in the arsenal, essential for a well rounded lover. Nothing beats PIV, NOTHING and my partner/s all agree.

Good Sex is cooperative, there is give and take both men and women should focus on each other’s pleasure. A guy that stands there and says “hey babe come and get it” is the equivalent of a woman that starfishes…

I pride myself on being infinitely adjustable/adaptable.
@Pierce.Manhammer ? He's older and has tons of experience including a long term marriage.

Other experienced guys said same - @Gamisch for example.

I think if I enjoyed it, my husband would do it. Not in a passive "beta" way, nothing about his sexual style is passive!

But I'm not into it, I like fvcking much better, for many reasons that I won't get into here. ;)
 

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Really?? When i choose to go down on a woman I'm the one in charge, i stop when i want, usually after multiple O's. And exercising that level of control over her body turns me on as she loses control and squirms with pleasure.

This is an act i rarely partake in though. Usually only with LTR women and the chemistry is mutually strong. I enjoy pleasing my partner so to me it's fun and from my experience she's usually suprised by her body's reaction to it.
 
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Dead bedrooms are very common in lesbian couples
Interesting. I've always thought there was a branch of lesbians who simply didn't want to deal with males or with the sex. Maybe that's the case with these women, it allows them the intimacy and companionship without the hassle of the sex.
 

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Interesting. I've always thought there was a branch of lesbians who simply didn't want to deal with males or with the sex. Maybe that's the case with these women, it allows them the intimacy and companionship without the hassle of the sex.
Actually no, abuse is very common and the vast majority of lesbian relationships simply do not work out at all.

Women aren't naturally lesbians.
 

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Performing an act that's entirely for the woman's pleasure is inherently beta. Remember that she's always comparing you to every other guy she's had, so if she's been with a lot of guys who never went down on her that she perceived as alpha, you repeatedly performing a beta act even though she never gave you any indication that she wanted it makes you look beta af. You have to treat whvres like whvres.

In general though, if you're dealing with more of a "normal" girl, going down on them shouldn't make them lose respect for you as long the dvck game you follow it up with is strong enough. It's just like red pill always preaches: Women are most attracted to (not aroused by) men who pursue a good amount of alpha traits and just enough beta traits to give them a sense of security. Therefore, you can go down on a girl and make her feel special sometimes (beta) as long as you can fvck her brains out like a slut as well the majority of the time (alpha).
THIS IS WRONG from my experience. And i've had lots of experience
 

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He is on to something tbh. Alotta women told me they ' don't think its neccessary " and even tho they enjoy it, they'll push me to stop and just fck them.

I think it's because some women like to be dominated period. You going down on her is a submissive action, and some women only talk in " strength "(like animals).


Even worse. Borderline ghey shyt, and she knows that. Now, the world ain't all black and white so ofcourse some women might like it.

Even worse is she eating your booty btw.
Same here…often times I’ll be eating a chick out and she’ll pull me up to f*ck her
 

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How about naturally bisexual?
And what would be the natural reason for that? Nature promotes procreation. Any kind of sexual relationship that is not procreational is unnatural by definition.
 

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And what would be the natural reason for that? Nature promotes procreation. Any kind of sexual relationship that is not procreational is unnatural by definition.
Actually in nature where there is over population of a species in a given area, there is an increase in homosexual tendencies.
 

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And what would be the natural reason for that? Nature promotes procreation. Any kind of sexual relationship that is not procreational is unnatural by definition.
I agree with your point. But historically women have had to be more skilled socially, as they stayed back in the cave to raise the children together, and to manipulate men. Maybe bisexuality allows them some sort of higher intimacy among their own gender? I don't know, just a guess. Maybe it allows them to understand their own sex appeal better, so they can enhance it to attract males (with makeup, attire, etc.)? Just spitballing here.

Actually in nature where there is over population of a species in a given area, there is an increase in homosexual tendencies.
That's interesting. Although the US isn't exactly overpopulated, our replacement birth rate is near zero. That might explain why a lot of these LGBTQ activists are coming out of the bigger cities though.
 

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I agree with your point. But historically women have had to be more skilled socially, as they stayed back in the cave to raise the children together, and to manipulate men. Maybe bisexuality allows them some sort of higher intimacy among their own gender? I don't know, just a guess. Maybe it allows them to understand their own sex appeal better, so they can enhance it to attract males (with makeup, attire, etc.)? Just spitballing here.


That's interesting. Although the US isn't exactly overpopulated, our replacement birth rate is near zero. That might explain why a lot of these LGBTQ activists are coming out of the bigger cities though.
There are a lot of pseudoscientific theories out there but nothing in the form of verifiable proof. As for LGBTQ activists being from big cities, that’s hardly surprising. Everything that’s “different” originates in big cities. Small towns are conservative by definition.
 
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No, I mean the ones who are saying not to do it or saying a woman loses respect for a guy if they do it.

IMHO if a woman loses respect for a guy over that he never had much to begin with from her.
Lol. Not my experience. Longest relationship I ever had was one where I never made the girl cvm.

meanwhile some of the shortest I had her squirting and gasping all night long.

i also was the first (I believe) to suggest that performing oral was beta. I came here to do a victory lap but had to respond to this instead.
 
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