"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I've said before, I've never stood friends or continued to keep in touch with any woman who wasn't putting out for me, so I wouldn't know the answer to the question I'm about to ask. But those of you who've had experience with women as friends, I pose the question:

Will a lot of women friends(and friends only, no intimacy of whatever kind) of men, still grind with them in clubs?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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GuanYu

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probably considering grinding is just dancing to most women.
 

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Uh, grinding is kind of "intimate", wouldn't you say?

There is sexuality in most male/female interactions, although it is often subtle.

I have lots of female "friends", but there is a sexual undercurrent with most of them, even if we have never had sex. I dance with chicks I know all the time, and I certainly wouldn't do that with a dude.
 

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STR8UP said:
Uh, grinding is kind of "intimate", wouldn't you say?

There is sexuality in most male/female interactions, although it is often subtle.

I have lots of female "friends", but there is a sexual undercurrent with most of them, even if we have never had sex. I dance with chicks I know all the time, and I certainly wouldn't do that with a dude.
Of course "grinding" is intimate, you can't disagree.

But I was saying, will women still grind with a male "platonic friend" they have no sexual interest in? My guess would be, yes, from what I know about women. But I just wanna be sure.
 
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"Platonic" basically means free from physical or sensual desire. Most male/female relationships are not 100% "free" from these desires on one or both sides. Truly platonic relationships between men and women are rare.

So basically the woman you think is your platonic friend.....she might do intimate things with you
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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If she is TRULY your friend (as platonic)...then the answer would be the same as for: "Would you grind in the dancing floor with your sister?"
 

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Or, "would you grind with your own 'platonic' male buddies?"
 

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You may not grind on a dude in a club but a woman will grind on another woman that is just her friend. To men it is sexual to women it is just fun and games. That is the problem if you are trying to make an analogy about women by comparing to what men do. A womans reality is that she can get sex anytime she wants. She can go out at 4am and find someone willing to **** her. To them sex is no big deal, so they will not understand why a man would think any differently.
 

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Brandonc662 said:
You may not grind on a dude in a club but a woman will grind on another woman that is just her friend. To men it is sexual to women it is just fun and games. That is the problem if you are trying to make an analogy about women by comparing to what men do. A womans reality is that she can get sex anytime she wants. She can go out at 4am and find someone willing to **** her. To them sex is no big deal, so they will not understand why a man would think any differently.
Who cares (in this situation) about what women do? What about what WE (as men) do? After all, he should have control over our actions.

And generally speaking, sex is a big deal for women (at least the decent , non-damage, non-bipolar ones).
 
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