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If this is your first visit to SoSuave, I would advise you to START HERE.

It will be the most efficient use of your time.

And you will learn everything you need to know to become a huge success with women.

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... Women cannot be your first priority, nor your second, nor 3rd....

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A great post on getting your priorities right:


A lot of people (especially new people) show up on The Red Pill wondering “What specifically do I do to improve my life?” They’re not looking for academic theory about women and power-talk and discussions about how ****ty women are and how alpha and beta various examples of men are. They’re looking for concrete help. Advice they can implement today to make their lives better.

First, join a gym, or start going if you already joined but don’t go regularly. Or go back if you used to work out and stopped. Make time for this. Every day. Or maybe 6 days a week. Or every other day if you have **** to do. But minimum 3 times per week and preferably more. Do strength training. Look up stronglifts 5x5 or something comparable, and ****ing do it. Cardio in between if you’re going every day. This is your time. Don’t talk to girls. Don’t talk to guys. Don’t waste your gym hour. Just work out. It will suck at first but get easier. Here’s the key: It doesn’t matter if you get stronger or look different after a month. (You will, but it doesn’t matter.) The way you walk, talk, and carry yourself will become better, in a way you won’t notice but others will, if you know that you’ve done all you can to prepare your body to face the day, every day. And it’s just plain good for you to grow some ****ing muscle.

Second, eat well and get enough sleep. Staying up until 4:AM drinking beer is fine when you’re 19 and in college studying for an exam, but you’re a real person now, and you wake up at 5:AM to work out. So eat real food (not bars and shakes), cut out soft drinks and energy drinks and other bull****, limit alcohol to social drinking, learn to cook, and buy actual **** from an actual healthy grocery store. And sleep 8-9 hours per night. You have nothing to prove to anybody by staying up until midnight. You have a job, a workout regimen, and a life to live. Lack of sleep hinders all of that and makes you a less efficient and a less attractive human.

Third, get a job if you don’t have one. Get a good job if you already have a ****ty job. Get ahead at your good job if you already have one of those. You can look on indeed.com or monster or any other job site, but be forewarned – every job posting you see on the internet will get a thousand resumes. Do a general search for companies in your industry and just send them letters and a copy of your resume. Follow up within the week. By phone, not e-mail. Talk to everyone you know and get hooked up at places you never would have thought to approach. Networking is the best way to get a job, and having a day job and steady income affects the way you walk and talk. Even if you don’t notice this, others will. Even if you’re in school now, get a part time job doing something cool. It’s a great conversation piece, and when you’re finally out of school, the fact that you did something besides go to school the last 4 years sets you apart from other college graduates first starting to send their resumes to employers.

Fourth, talk to strangers. All the ****ing time. Are you in line somewhere? A coffee shop? The student union at your university? Are you on a street or in a building, or at the gym or anywhere else where other people exist and aren’t busy working? Just chat with strangers. You’re not trying to make a new best friend or get a date. You’re just chatting with people, both men and women, 30-60 seconds tops, maybe 10 people a day. Most of this will go nowhere and be super-awkward, but maybe you meet someone you can add to your network and contact later. More importantly, however, you get over the inherent fear we all have of rejection. You talk to strangers without caring what they’ll say or think, it’s awkward and stupid, it sucks and you look dumb and have nothing to talk about. But six months from now, you’ll realize that you’re actually good at talking to people, strangers are as afraid of you as you are of them, and you develop a knack for getting other people to seek your approval, rather than vice versa. This translates into more success meeting women, more confidence at job interviews and business/social functions, and the like.

Fifth, join some professional societies, hobbyist groups, start taking guitar or martial art lessons, or something that interests you, not related to your day job. You need **** to do besides work, cook dinner, and sleep. Otherwise, you’re a boring little ****. Be interested in something and look into it. Cooking? Making soap? Making explosives? Going to the shooting range? I don’t care. But if you’re a man, you’ve at least passively been interested in lots of things over the years. Pick a few items of the greatest interest to you and actually look into them. You won’t live forever.

Sixth, study up on game. It doesn’t matter how fit, healthy, successful, social, and interesting you are. Women and talking them into ****ing you is something different from all of that. If you don’t know how to talk to girls in a sexual way, you’ll die a rich, super hawt, very interesting virgin who didn’t have game. You have to learn how to treat women like anybody else, be outcome independent, talk subtly sexually, touch in a non-awkward way, and escalate the situation to a sexual encounter. This is a learned skill, not something that “just happens” naturally the way women will tell you it does. For them, it just happens. For you, it’s a practiced skill, and making this happen is something that is completely independent from looks/fitness, success, hobbies, and social skills. Having all of that makes game a lot easier (which is why game comes as sixth on this list), but all of that without game won’t get you laid, and game without all of that will make your life a lot harder.

Finally, start going out every weekend, and/or maybe one weeknight a week, and approach women. Constantly, the same way you talked to strangers above. Note how this is seventh on my list, and not all that important. Women don’t matter if you haven’t done 1-6. And you can be happy and successful just doing 1-6 and forgetting all about women. That’s actually key. If you’re not happy, all on your own, just with who you are, what you’ve done, and what you’re capable of, then you’ll never land a woman (not a worthwhile one anyway). If you’re physically fit or at least confident about your gym routine, healthy and well-rested, professionally successful, socially not awkward, have hobbies and interests, and are at least decently versed in game, you finally have a decent chance of not being blown off by the average woman. As noted above, treat women like talking to strangers. Just chat with them like anybody else, in a non-awkward way, and you’re already leagues beyond the normal loser, who doesn’t have the courage to walk up and talk (and when he does, he’s an awkward loser). Just talking to women and coming across like a non-awkward, non-loser puts you in the top 25% of men. Being subtly sexual and escalating via touch puts you in the top 20%, give or take. Not caring whether you’re turned down or not and moving on to the next woman like the one who just pissed on you doesn’t count puts you in the top 15. Being fit, successful, socially apt, and interesting, on top of good game, puts you in the top 10.

The top 10 percent gets laid every weekend. Maybe not by every single woman they approach, but by the end of the night, you’ll have a **** buddy lined up. But this comes after a few weeks or months of hard work becoming worth a ****. The key is being happy without women. If you’re fit, successful, socially apt, and in possession of useful and interesting skills and hobbies, you should be able to have a decent life without women. Women would rather line up to be the gravy on your awesome life than be the main course, featured on the otherwise empty plate of a loser.
 

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Do whatever gives you joy in life, and when a chick crosses your path that you dig, make an attempt to get her. Das it.
 

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VladPatton said:
Do whatever gives you joy in life, and when a chick crosses your path that you dig, make an attempt to get her. Das it.
I second third and 12th this sh1t. I stopped giving a **** about what anyone thought of me awhile ago and just went for whatever I felt made me happy. Never looked back. Never compare myself to anyone anymore, no headaches, just orgasms.
 

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Job should be the number 1 priority and not in third place. Gym can go at number 3.
 

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I just wandered over this post, and felt the need to bump it - people should read it if they already haven't, the current level of desperation on sosuave is on a whole new, previously unseen, level.
 

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European-DJ said:
I just wandered over this post, and felt the need to bump it - people should read it if they already haven't, the current level of desperation on sosuave is on a whole new, previously unseen, level.
How so? maybe I'm obvious because I rarely come on here but I only read threads like this or once that pertain to my interest like this

OP is speaking the truth last year for the first time in my life I can honestly say I put myself first lost 30 pounds hit the gym, traveled confidence went up etc

Trying to get to that level this year but it's hard
 

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So in other words, what the OP is saying is that women should not be your top priority. They should be your sixth and seventh priority.
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Solomon said:
How so? maybe I'm obvious because I rarely come on here but I only read threads like this or once that pertain to my interest like this

OP is speaking the truth last year for the first time in my life I can honestly say I put myself first lost 30 pounds hit the gym, traveled confidence went up etc

Trying to get to that level this year but it's hard
People on this community have forgotten their priorities, ranking woman way too high - 9/10 post are no longer discussions, but desperate requests on how to fix X or Y; questions that are all answered if you just use the search button.

We shouls stick to the mindset of constant self-improvement; as we move towards the top tier, we will not longer be in need of this forum.

Sosuave should be a temporary visit; as everyone implementin the lessons taught in here, should quickly advance, If he follows them by heart.
 

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Sorry but in the real world it does not work this way. The guy who makes women the number one priory in his life will be more successful with women than a successful guy who rarely goes out and doesn't try.

I've been broke, jobless, and still had hot girlfriends because I was putting so much effort into it. Now that Im more successful sure Im able to keep women easier, but getting them..not so much because Im so busy all the time. IF you make work your number one priority chances are that will be what you excel at, gym same thing and for women its the same thing. I developed most of my game with women when I was broke as **** and had nothing going for me but made them the number one priority in my life. Sure that broke unemployed chump might lose out on some women because they refuse to stay with a loser, but at the end of the day hell still get just as much ***** as you because he's out meeting women while your working like a dog at the office.

Not saying making women the number one priority in your life, its not healthy and you will end up setting yourself up for disappointment but if you want to bang as many fine chicks as possible you better make it a damn priority. Unless your rich or ridiculously good looking then you won't have to try.
 

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European-DJ said:
Sosuave should be a temporary visit; as everyone implementin the lessons taught in here, should quickly advance, If he follows them by heart.
agreed that's why I seldom come on here and take 6 month's break. Sometimes you gotta freshen up....a lot of new posters here I don't recognize same problems but sadly less field reports or tales of success

captain55 said:
Sorry but in the real world it does not work this way. The guy who makes women the number one priory in his life will be more successful with women than a successful guy who rarely goes out and doesn't try.

I've been broke, jobless, and still had hot girlfriends because I was putting so much effort into it. Now that Im more successful sure Im able to keep women easier, but getting them..not so much because Im so busy all the time. IF you make work your number one priority chances are that will be what you excel at, gym same thing and for women its the same thing. I developed most of my game with women when I was broke as **** and had nothing going for me but made them the number one priority in my life. Sure that broke unemployed chump might lose out on some women because they refuse to stay with a loser, but at the end of the day hell still get just as much ***** as you because he's out meeting women while your working like a dog at the office.

Not saying making women the number one priority in your life, its not healthy and you will end up setting yourself up for disappointment but if you want to bang as many fine chicks as possible you better make it a damn priority. Unless your rich or ridiculously good looking then you won't have to try.
Meh you're right to a point, but what good is making women a number one priority if you're confidence is low, your out of shape, or jobless etc.
When I was jobless a few years a go I was banging chicks but can't say they were hot cause I was in the worse shape of my life. In life you need balance. There is a time to put focus for women and time for other stuff, personally speaking if you're balanced in everything, in shape, making decent money and confident etc. Than it's easier overall
 

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captain55 said:
Sorry but in the real world it does not work this way. The guy who makes women the number one priory in his life will be more successful with women than a successful guy who rarely goes out and doesn't try.

I've been broke, jobless, and still had hot girlfriends because I was putting so much effort into it. Now that Im more successful sure Im able to keep women easier, but getting them..not so much because Im so busy all the time. IF you make work your number one priority chances are that will be what you excel at, gym same thing and for women its the same thing. I developed most of my game with women when I was broke as **** and had nothing going for me but made them the number one priority in my life. Sure that broke unemployed chump might lose out on some women because they refuse to stay with a loser, but at the end of the day hell still get just as much ***** as you because he's out meeting women while your working like a dog at the office.

Not saying making women the number one priority in your life, its not healthy and you will end up setting yourself up for disappointment but if you want to bang as many fine chicks as possible you better make it a damn priority. Unless your rich or ridiculously good looking then you won't have to try.
In essence I agree, but a life spent chasing women is a damn pointless one - I have had multiple girls at the same time, but honestly I wasn't any happier than I am now, spending my time with a single girl twice a week.

There are much more important things in life than women, and that is something we ought to teach more on this board.
 

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Mauser96 said:
Very true OP. Great thread by the way.

And yeah, the current crop of newbies here is more "
lost" than any generation who has come before. Father-less families?

In the 30's, 40's, 40', 60' 70's, 80's and 90's...............women COMPETED with each other to get a man. Now men are grovelling , whining, snivelling and competing with other men for a woman.

Women manipulate, garner attention and orbiters via social media............and the boys are too stupid to realize they have been put in the pursuer position and wholeheartedly embrace it. Girls spend a couple hours getting made up, put a selfie up, and then watch as the orbiters rush forward spitting their attraction and undying love. It is sickening actually. Very sickening.

WHY is having a woman at all costs important to you? It shouldn't be.

WHY do you feel you are the one who needs to pursue and the woman is the prize? IF you are living and learning, you will realize your own value.

It is very sad.

I CAN and DO influence my own son the Red Pill way - not to hate women, but to never give them more value than you give YOURSELF.
I'd argue that men have always been, and will always be, pursuers. I'd also argue that women still do compete. The difference is women don't compete for men. They compete with other women. They use men to compete.

Generations ago, sure, men didn't focus as much on women as we do now, but the game is still the same. Just played a little differently now.

A woman's social value is dependent on how attractive she is. The more orbiters, the more attractive she must be. The more attractive she is, the higher she stands above her competition (i.e other women). How she gets those orbiters is irrelevant. An Alpha (or what she can convince others is one) that she can show off just adds to that value.
 

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Eph said:
I'd argue that men have always been, and will always be, pursuers. I'd also argue that women still do compete. The difference is women don't compete for men. They compete with other women. They use men to compete.

Generations ago, sure, men didn't focus as much on women as we do now, but the game is still the same. Just played a little differently now.

A woman's social value is dependent on how attractive she is. The more orbiters, the more attractive she must be. The more attractive she is, the higher she stands above her competition (i.e other women). How she gets those orbiters is irrelevant. An Alpha (or what she can convince others is one) that she can show off just adds to that value.
This post is straight to the point, as if you extracted it from my own mind.. I agree 100%!
 
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