Women are faithful

[jhonny9546]

The common view on seduction forums, and the general consensus on the internet, is that women cheat because of hypergamy and go with attractive, alpha men, while living with and being supported by other, beta men.

Then, what can be observed in real life is actually more broader.
You can actually see women who do this and cheat on their BF or Husbands, but those are not good women by any means. (they've major red flags)

Furthermore, what I found true and unusual, is that women are faithful to their husbands/boyfriends. In fact, it happens that they become aroused and attracted to these attractive men, but they will vent sexually with their husbands.

So there are women who are faithful and channel that desire for these men entirely towards their husbands.

What's your experience on this.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Jhonny,
"You can actually see women who do this and cheat on their BF or Husbands, but those are not good women by any means. (they've major red flags)" My take is that while they are best avoided for LTR's many just can't control their Svex drive and underneath it all are fine people.

 

[The Duke]

Women are loyal to their emotions, not the man. As long as he provides for those emotions, she stays loyal.

 

[BaronOfHair]

What's your experience on this.

That there no guarantees when you're dealing with living creatures, ESPECIALLY humans. Women included. The risk of them growing restless and cheating is always fairly high

Any fella who falls to the floor in tears, upon simply IMAGINING his woman taking up with another man or even another broad, is well advised to stick to blow up dolls or become a nerophile


We accept, with minimal fuss, the likelihood that we'll be backstabbed by a colleague, as we move further in our careers. It's baffling that so many of us believe that mating and dating would be any different

 

[The Duke]

That there no guarantees when you're dealing with living creatures, ESPECIALLY humans. Women included. The risk of them growing restless and cheating is always fairly high

Any fella who falls to the floor in tears, upon simply IMAGINING his woman taking up with another man or even another broad, is well advised to stick to blow up dolls or become a nerophile


We accept, with minimal fuss, the likelihood that we'll be backstabbed by a colleague, as we move further in our careers. It's baffling that so many of us believe that mating and dating would be any different

I was that guy one time, Thats all it took. These days a man has to realize that nothing lasts forever, no matter what she says.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I was that guy one time, Thats all it took. These days a man has to realize that nothing lasts forever, no matter what she says.

Yeah, perhaps I SHOULDN'T be surprised... Many fellas also believe that simply working really hard from 9-5 alone will increase their paycheck + bring them more influence over the external world, and that that dude who used to star on The Apprentice is going to be their Savior

Stands to reason then that many still yearn to find some gal who'll be The One

 

[Manure Spherian]

Neither women or men are naturally monogamous. Some have no choice but to be monogamous. Others with sexual options choose to be monogamous or not.

It’s that simple. And yes, there are women totally smitten with and loyal to their “beta” men. There are also alpha men who choose to be monogamous.

fact, it happens that they become aroused and attracted to these attractive men, but they will vent sexually with their husbands.

Same goes for men who are attracted to other women, as we all are, but choose to be monogamous. Who the heck is attracted to ONE person?

 

[Barrister]

The term "faithful" is a very subjective one. If you are speaking strictly physical faithfulness (i.e. not actually having sex and/or other sexual activities with another man) I agree that probably most women would not do this. If you mean being faithful as in not having romantic feelings for another man and/or not having some type of emotional affair, I think many, if not most women, are probably not faithful.

You see this with married couples of 5+ years very frequently. If you show any type of sexual interest in the wife, she may not physically reciprocate, but it very often leads her to be very friendly (probably friendlier than she should be). This can often lead to a full blown emotional affair if the right buttons are pushed. I would say they are much more inclined for this kind of "cheating" than men are.

 

[pipeman84]

That there no guarantees when you're dealing with living creatures, ESPECIALLY humans. Women included. The risk of them growing restless and cheating is always fairly high

Just like with being robbed and beaten up when walking down the street or having a rocket/drone destroy your home, one can do a LOT to mitigate that risk.

We accept, with minimal fuss, the likelihood that we'll be backstabbed by a colleague, as we move further in our careers. It's baffling that so many of us believe that mating and dating would be any different

Those are two totally different things. You don't choose your colleagues and that relationship is of a much lower standard than the one with a significant other. Kind of like mandatory conscription vs elite forces such as Navy SEALs.

 

[DJ Novice]

@The Duke is right. Women are loyal to their emotions. When their emotions change loyalty often changes. And it can be quite brutal and sudden.

When women become ‘unhappy’ for whatever reason and this emotion dominates her thoughts the clock is generally ticking on the end of the relationship.

 

[zekko]

That there no guarantees when you're dealing with living creatures, ESPECIALLY humans. Women included. The risk of them growing restless and cheating is always fairly high

I agree with this. The OP is right, there ARE faithful women out there, but you can't really pick them out. Because people and situations will change over time, and the woman that stands before you today is not the same one that will be there 20 years from now. Much more common is a woman who is basically faithful, and will likely be faithful for years - but under certain circumstance might eventually cheat or swing to another branch. Point is, there are no guarantees.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Those are two totally different things. You don't choose your colleagues and that relationship is of a much lower standard than the one with a significant other

We DO ultimately choose which collegues we affiliate ourselves with. And given that we often spend more time around collegues(who can really f-c- us up financially and personally... Folks go to prison all the time, after being set up by business partners), the stakes in these relationships are just as, if not more, high than those with our SOs

As you say, while there are many preventive measures we can take, there's always a risk of things not going EXACTLY the way we'd prefer

 

[BaronOfHair]

Because people and situations will change over time, and the woman that stands before you today is not the same one that will be there 20 years from now. Much more common is a woman who is basically faithful, and will likely be faithful for years - but under certain circumstance might eventually cheat or swing to another branch.

And we men can't honestly guarantee women that we'll NEVER stray/decide that she's just not for us anymore

 

[jhonny9546]

We accept, with minimal fuss, the likelihood that we'll be backstabbed by a colleague

As for the cheating, I was that colleague, but I didn't let her cheat. She was a gift.

I was excited to have sex with someone like that, but I didn't. It's not all black and white.



It's precisely in moments like these that you understand who you can trust and who you can't.

That must have been difficult @The Duke

simply working really hard from 9-5 alone will increase their paycheck

If you have to eat you will.
Then you always have 5 to 9pm to do another job/activity



@Barrister yes totally agree. Also, since that happens, do you consider breaking your boundaries?
Or you just wait, and see if she can manage that thing?

 

[jhonny9546]

@The Duke is right. Women are loyal to their emotions. When their emotions change loyalty often changes. And it can be quite brutal and sudden.

When women become ‘unhappy’ for whatever reason and this emotion dominates her thoughts the clock is generally ticking on the end of the relationship.

Since this is true, we can also say that after that "emotion" dissolve, what came back it's the interest to have that relationship back to her.

My friend’s girlfriend got infatuated with a guy from the gym and emotionally distanced herself (she never cheated physically). When my friend got her pregnant, (crazy, I know), and the baby was born, she became loving again. Now they’re planning to get married. (She's so sweet and caring now).


So yes, she’s “faithful” to her emotions because she wants the baby and the marriage, but she doesn’t truly love him. If she wants another child and he refuses, she might seek that fulfillment elsewhere. You're playing a role, but inside her narration.
She's not into yours.

Men should learn to understand what emotion or need a woman is trying to satisfy at a given moment. Not only, they must focus on building their own strong figure.

If you were in his place, say she wanted another kid and you didn’t, would you do it just to keep the relationship? Or if she wanted something else and you knew she’d look for it elsewhere, would you give in?



That said, not all women are ruled by their emotions.
Some are, others can think things through and resist acting on them.

 

[BaronOfHair]

If you have to eat you will.
Then you always have 5 to 9pm to do another job/activity

Yeah; such as learning what it really takes to gain and maintain power and influence https://www.kqed.org/forum/201011011000/the-business-of-power

We're living through one of those strange eras in which a substantial portion of our fellow citizens have fallen for a lie which goes something like:

"I shouldn't have to learn the intricacies of what makes one attractive(Both to the opposite sex, and everyone else), nor the nuts and bolts of getting further ahead in life. People should love me unconditionally, no matter what, and The System should be overhauled in such a way that EVERYONE has the exact same amount of power and influence"

 

[Divorced w 3]

As has been said…It’s simple. If their emotions are stimulated by you, yes you have a faithful woman who isn’t going to stray as long as they have a normal human profile. If you negatively disrupt their emotions they leave. I think that’s true of anyone that’s got a normal profile.

 

[Barrister]

@Barrister yes totally agree. Also, since that happens, do you consider breaking your boundaries?
Or you just wait, and see if she can manage that thing?

No - I am not going to break boundaries because I am of the mind that this kind of relationship where two people are looking for outside validation independent of their marriage (or general LTR) to be a complete waste of time. I simply end the relationship and move on. Then we can both be happier unfettered by the other person "not feeling fulfilled" or some other nonsense that she believes justifies the action. It is all exhausting and unnecessary and will take years off of your life to stay in that situation and continue to try to "fix" it.

It is a lesson that I have had first hand experience with. But as they say, experience is the best (and often harshest) teacher.

 

[DJ Novice]

My current girlfriend admitted to me she stayed with her previous partner for 6 years even though she wasn’t in love with him. According to her he was just a great ‘companion’. And he was financially very well off (he was a doctor earning big $, much more than me.

They had broken up for six months before she met me. One week into meeting her he returned unexpectedly from overseas and proposed to her. She didn’t hesitate to tell him no as she now had a very strong emotional connection with me.

I felt for the guy but it’s a lesson that it doesn’t matter how long you have been with a woman, it doesn’t guarantee that her feelings won’t change or perhaps you were just a placeholder all along until someone better came along.

It’s for this reason that I think it’s a big mistake for guys to fall ‘in love’ with a woman and surrender their frame to her or to build their life around her. Always be willing and able to walk away and if she walks away at any time your life should not be really that affected (apart from the hit to your ego etc). She should be more invested in you than you in her.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Agree with others that say monogamy isn't natural for either sex. If it were we wouldn't need God and Johnny Law to enforce it. We're all as faithful as the next opportunity. Obviously people vary in their tendencies.

It's just not something to be worried about IME. It's the guys who are jealous, paranoid, or setting insane "ground rules" who get cvcked most often. I prefer to keep my own sword sharp, flirt with other women and always have options. It's not "dread game," it's just me being me for me.