"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Woman with a LD boyfriend - What would you do?

Viktor

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Okay, so I consider myself pretty experienced although by no means perfect at the game.

I have a couple of girls on tap, and a few more in play, but there's this one that's confusing me.

She's in town for only a few months and is planning to go back to another far away city. She has a boyfriend there, but I met her because she wrote to me on a dating site she claims she was on just to compete with her cousin for how many messages she could get.

She maintains that she won't have sex with me because she won't cheat on her boyfriend.

Yet she calls me, doesn't object to lots of kino, hugs and kisses and some makeout here and there. This is what makes me feel like she could be pursuaded to go for it with me.

What would you do to make her change her "I won't cheat" stance and give it up?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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She makes out with you - but says she doesn't wanna cheat on her bf?

^_0
 

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Right. Apparently only sex counts as "cheating" for her.
 

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Uhhh... If she'll let you make out with her - that's already basic foreplay. :p Just... escalate. Read the bible tips on sex.
 

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Good in theory, but she only allows some make-out. After it starts getting to a certain point, she stops me. And yes, I know about pushing it more but I'm looking for some better psychological play rather than just pushing it.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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I'm Joe Dirt

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I don't get chicks like that. I think making out with someone else is definitley cheating. Cheating is NOT limited to just sex. She obviously has some wires in her head crossed, if you can just help her not feel guilty and you will probably score.
 

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i once had a girl that would have sex with me 2, 3 times a day, but wouldn't let me kiss her becuase that was cheating... go figure
 

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Viktor said:
Yet she calls me, doesn't object to lots of kino, hugs and kisses and some makeout here and there. This is what makes me feel like she could be pursuaded to go for it with me.
She is full of sh!t. She makes out with you and that is cheating with her boyfriend right there. Tap it because that is basically a green light.

If you don't get it, then leave her. I don't advocate this much but she is a female player and I have no sadness for her. Do not steal her from the boyfriend and try an LTR. She is sh!tty prospects. Good for a fvck and that is it.

comic_relief
 

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Viktor said:
she wrote to me on a dating site she claims she was on just to compete with her cousin for how many messages she could get.
Oh yea... common every day occurance.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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She's no LTR relationship prospect because she isn't going to be around.

But I LOVE her body.

So... any other ideas for how to get her to want to give it up to me?
 

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U just can't close the deal son. Girls are the sluttest of all animals
 

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"She maintains that she won't have sex with me because she won't cheat on her boyfriend...Yet she calls me, doesn't object to lots of kino, hugs and kisses and some makeout here and there. This is what makes me feel like she could be pursuaded to go for it with me."

GIRLSPEAK: I want to have sex with you but I might feel guilty.

It's your job to help her feel non-guilty. Flirt - use LOTS of kino. Make a move. Once she starts mentioning him, just shush her/change topic. It's hittable. You've made out with her - if they are going to make a stand, it's at kissing. Once they relent to that, it's the 'slippery slope principle'. After you break the first barrier, the rest become progressively easier. You are IN - seal the deal.
 

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backbreaker said:
i once had a girl that would have sex with me 2, 3 times a day, but wouldn't let me kiss her becuase that was cheating... go figure
All I can say is WOW!
 

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Try a freeze out

keep advancing to the point that she stops you and when she does, pull away from her. Stop kino, turn away, start paying attention to something else, like the TV. Wait for her to come back to you. When she does, reusme where you were. Keep doing that until she gives in. If she gets mad, tell her you need to get some sleep and ask her to leave.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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backbreaker said:
i once had a girl that would have sex with me 2, 3 times a day, but wouldn't let me kiss her becuase that was cheating... go figure
Isn't that what hookers do as well? "kissing is too personal"

Maybe she has that kinda mentality
 

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Okay, so yesterday I texted her an invitation to hang out today. She called me back and said she didn't know because "left her calendar at work".

I told her she should try me, but I could be busy.

So she calls me today and I text her back that I'm busy and will call her later in the week.

Her reply was that I'm too late. Tonight or never.

I'm no way going to see her tonight but how would you reply (if at all)?
 

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That turned out to be exactly right... she's been calling me 3x a day... I texted her back but didn't talk to her.
 

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Viktor said:
, but I met her because she wrote to me on a dating site she claims she was on just to compete with her cousin for how many messages she could get.

She maintains that she won't have sex with me because she won't cheat on her boyfriend.

Yet she calls me, doesn't object to lots of kino, hugs and kisses and some makeout here and there. This is what makes me feel like she could be pursuaded to go for it with me.

What would you do to make her change her "I won't cheat" stance and give it up?

She just gave you your answer. She already said that she's not f*cking, so why are you brothering? Dude your feeding the monster, DON'T FEED THE MONSTER!!!!

You said that you have other chicks in the bullpen, why not focus your time on them? If you must smash this chick here's an idea tell her. This is how the conversation should go.

Attention Wh*re: Hey, Vitkor. Why haven't you call me?
Viktor: I've been busy? Why what's up?
AW: Nothing. You want to hang out later?
Viktor: Can't. I have a date.
AW: Oh.
Viktor: Since I have you on the phone, I might as well tell you. I'm attracted to you, but when I try to move things into a "more intimate," role. You always stop me. So it's quite obvious that you don't have same feelings for me. We can still hang out AS FRIENDS, BUT I'm going to start seeing other people.

This will completely and totally f*ck her up. When you put it to her like that, she'll be speakless. Then she'll either do one of three things:

1) Give you some a$$
2) Leave you alone
3) Try to maintain the status quo.

If she tries to maintain the status quo, DON'T LET IT HAPPEN!!! When you go out to kick MAKE HER PAY HER WAY!!!! That's what friends do when they kick it, each pays his on bill.

Make her buy her own food, movie tickets, club cover, and drinks. Then you'll see how hard she's trying to maintain a friendship. Oh yeah, I forgot. Holla at other chicks in front of her.

But I have to ask you this question. Why are you bothering with chicks that have boyfriends?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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