"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Woman Talking To There Ex Boyfriends

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how many of you guys would regard it as a problem, if your girlfriend was talking to an ex boyfriend or ex husband... while in a relationship with you?

if she has no kids with that ex.. is it ever acceptable for her talk to exes
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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some b@tches think it's no big deal to be talking to there exes

they are friends apparantly
 

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yes, it is a problem, it isnt insecurity, it isnt being a pu$$y, if you are talking to an ex, why would you do that? bottom line? you would still/want to, fvck her.
malke friends want to fvck female 'friends', the females might not want to fvck the male friends but if they have fvcked bfore, the chnaces of them doing so again are pretty high
 

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betheman said:
yes, it is a problem, it isnt insecurity, it isnt being a pu$$y, if you are talking to an ex, why would you do that? bottom line? you would still/want to, fvck her.
malke friends want to fvck female 'friends', the females might not want to fvck the male friends but if they have fvcked bfore, the chnaces of them doing so again are pretty high

this is "one" of the problems i had with my ex... she started talking to some dude, she was married to years ago... they never had kids together.. she claimed they was friends!

i never bought it up as an isssue... as i did not want to come across as bieng insecure or acting a pusssy

it did bother me tho!
 

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Nah they would freak if you did it (unless their IL is through the floor).

i told her, that i would start talking to one of my ex girlfreinds... she did not look happy... anyhow i dumped her the next day lol
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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if you just want to bang a girl and have no long term aspirations with her, then chill out, get what you can, if you are looking for an LTR and she has these 'male' friends , bet your arse, as soon as you hit some turbulence, she will be crying on his shoulder if she isnt getting her way
 

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betheman said:
if you just want to bang a girl and have no long term aspirations with her, then chill out, get what you can, if you are looking for an LTR and she has these 'male' friends , bet your arse, as soon as you hit some turbulence, she will be crying on his shoulder if she isnt getting her way
this is so true man... 100% these guys are a shoulder to cry on & that leads to other sh@t

my ex knew lots and lots of men... hell she had so many men on her facebook!

one of the reasons why i never truley trusted that girl...
 

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It is never appropriate unless he is a work colleague.
 

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I think it depends on the situation. You just do not get rid of someone after a 20 year marriage that just did not work out but there was no hostility in their divorce. It is possible to remain distant friends....its called being mature. That said, if there any feelings of romance or they want to meet....that's a different story....or if they spend hours on the phone/texting. But a text here or there or a few minutes talking over the phone here or there....I do not see it as a big deal.
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My exe had an affair with an old boyfriend. I would advise against it..
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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abe0 said:
I think it depends on the situation. You just do not get rid of someone after a 20 year marriage that just did not work out but there was no hostility in their divorce. It is possible to remain distant friends....its called being mature. That said, if there any feelings of romance or they want to meet....that's a different story....or if they spend hours on the phone/texting. But a text here or there or a few minutes talking over the phone here or there....I do not see it as a big deal.
abe

and how do you figure, that there are no feelings of romance? you can't exactly monitor there conversations or grill her about it...

and what if over a little time, those feelings of romance etc do develop, especialy if she is having some problems with her current boyfreind.

i would advice against it too
 

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Low quality broads leave their ex's on strings, doesn't matter divorced or dumped his ass she might still love him. All situations are different and more than likely the dude is an AFC/Chump of some sort that wants her back. One tug of the string and the chump is their to be her emotional tampon.

It's happened to me 1 time in the past 10 years, and sure enough she monkey branched to the ex. Plenty of broads out there without ex's as friends.

Check out Joe Rogan on Netflix, he has a bit about this in his stand-up. It's pretty funny...
 
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Grounds to dump her, period. Make sure she is fully aware and penalize her for it. If she does it again, she's out.

Live by your own rules and you'll always be happy and, more importantly, sane.
You just do not get rid of someone after a 20 year marriage that just did not work out
You should not date a woman who was in a 20 year marriage that did not work out. She had 20 years to work it out.
 

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That ṣhit ain't cool at all and it would bother me I think. The problem is that they have so much more history together that you don't stand a fair chance; you're 'the new guy'. If you can't take it, don't tell her what to do, just dump her and tell her why.

Never trust a woman who has a ṣhitload of guy friends (orbiters).
 

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"You will never get your ex back"

You guys are just bull****a illogal. And even worst than women. At least they accept that thy are illogal - you won't even accept that.

Don't contradict your theory now. There will be no guy ever that gets their ex back. Or if they do, he will just be disappointed.

I am simply amazed how fast you guys change your theories. This forum is simply contradicting itself - conatantly.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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BraddH said:
"You will never get your ex back"

You guys are just bull****a illogal. And even worst than women. At least they accept that thy are illogal - you won't even accept that.

Don't contradict your theory now. There will be no guy ever that gets their ex back. Or if they do, he will just be disappointed.

I am simply amazed how fast you guys change your theories. This forum is simply contradicting itself - conatantly.
its not about getting an ex back, that can be done, most often though it doesnt work out which is why we advocate no contact.
no contact perversley, is one of the major strategies this IS likely to get your ex back.
ex sex is pretty common, that isnt the same as getting you ex back, ive done it with an ex wife lots of times, it happens a lot. girl at work, she is divorced, hub and father of her child is re married, has another kid, now and then when he picks up their daughter, there is the occassional BJ and the rest. it happens, attraction can linger, 'male friends' that you jeopardise a relationship for, have an attraction, its quite simple
 

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VladPatton said:
That ṣhit ain't cool at all and it would bother me I think. The problem is that they have so much more history together that you don't stand a fair chance; you're 'the new guy'. If you can't take it, don't tell her what to do, just dump her and tell her why.

Never trust a woman who has a ṣhitload of guy friends (orbiters).


i agree bro... facebook was my exes secret world... she had loads of men on there.. without a doubt (orbiters)

plus my ex had a massive attraction for big men... bodybuilders!

it can't be a coincidence she was registered on lots of mens bodybuilding websites!

she would talk to these guys... and these guys had amazing bodies & good lookin guys too.. she was a good looking woman..

all these men was options for her.. no doubt
 

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Want a worry free life ??? Ditch anything that causes you worry or just don't worry about it.

You're only alive for a certain amount of time so why waist time worrying ??? I can think of better things to do personally.
 

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Avoid these women like the plague. Because most always this comes with a lot of other guy friends.
 

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SamTheHobit said:
Avoid these women like the plague. Because most always this comes with a lot of other guy friends.
thing is, with the advent of facebook, social media, android phones, women are 'collecting' such friends by the bucketfull so its pretty difficult to find many women without them, theya re a click of a mouse away, a cry for help comment of facebook away, a swift text...
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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