"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Woman in her 40s how much to game

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Online dating girl says 40 years old on the can problem is shes a Western chick and my last experience of those was over 10 years ago.

Now i used to do all the standard trcks initial hug and Kino double entendres. Never never giving a straight answer to their standard s*** test questions. Go for holding the hand and the kMove them over so you're betweenvthem and the road. Take her hand in crossing the road etc.

Now last time I was doing all this to chicks were in their late 20s or early thirties.

The issue is that you're going to have to do some of this to avoid the friend zone So the question is which of these tactics it's just going to look high school and which can you get away with?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Do any of them with confidence and you won't have to worry about what it looks like.

Do any of them as a tactic or 'move' and you'll come off like a high schooler.

See how that works?
 

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Thanks TT perfect answer.

My first 2 dates flaked on me due to my rusty cold approach skills. So I guess confidence took a hit But the old wolf s not buried deep. He ll run free again.
 

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You're playing the same sport with a couple of minor rule changes. If your good with people you'll adapt subconsciously.
 

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Related question.
Given OLD woman should I:
1 push for the same night lay as it shows confidence and separates me from the rest of the Pack.
2 Or chill out do the kiss test and leave the escalation for 2nd date.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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For the record don't really care about the lay. Thirst won't b an issue.

Trying to establish solid patterns for creating plates from OLD. It looks like if I keep plowing on o l d I will generate dates so turning them into plates is the next challenge.

I m time poor for good DJ reasons so I need something where I can deal with messages when I have the time.
 

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I think go for the lay and if shes down then good but if not its no big deal. If shes attracted to you shell probably enjoy you going for the lay and you can just act playful about it like you know she's just playing hard to get so no big deal (which is true if she is interested)
 

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Good luck uber. I have my second date with a girl Friday. First date was coffee. Seemed good. Got kiss and good kino. she daid she wanted to do it again. Waited three days to schedule second date. Minimal texting. I will try to escalate. Its a dinner and walk. Then I will suggest my house to watch family guy.
 

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Good luck uber. I have my second date with a girl Friday. First date was coffee. Seemed good. Got kiss and good kino. she daid she wanted to do it again. Waited three days to schedule second date. Minimal texting. I will try to escalate. Its a dinner and walk. Then I will suggest my house to watch family guy.
What made you choose family guy?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Funny story I got my last girlfriend back to my place for a movie on the second date and Had all the Right Moves planned.
 

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Be sure to give us a field report. I will do the same. If mine doesn't work out I'm going to take a break. Had a manic episode over the weekend and emailed my x tons of love letters. I still kind of mentally screwed up about it. It was positive in one respect. She thinks I'm so crazy there will be no reconciliation. Funny thing is she is nuttier than me. But women disregard that part about themselves.
 

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They re just programmed to be very focused on what they want. As soon as u no longer provide resources they r incapable of having any emotions for u but anger or annoyance.

BTW did guru give u yr action plan before he disappeared in the great sosuave meltdown?
 

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I sent him my photos and information. Talked to a mod and he said that they would email him ad soon as they could. So no action plan.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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My date asked me about section 8 rentals. I said they were a good deal and for her to call me if she wanted to talk about it. Because I'm resting in bed. She knows I'm sick....bad good indifferent?
 

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They re just programmed to be very focused on what they want. As soon as u no longer provide resources they r incapable of having any emotions for u but anger or annoyance.

BTW did guru give u yr action plan before he disappeared in the great sosuave meltdown?
No
 

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Hey DM
If g1000 doesn't turn up. Happy to pm u my photos. I suspect older guy facial issues r fairly generic. So you could probably recycle my action plan once u ve looked at my pics that was on the HB Challenge thread or at least most of it.
 

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Hey DM
If g1000 doesn't turn up. Happy to pm u my photos. I suspect older guy facial issues r fairly generic. So you could probably recycle my action plan once u ve looked at my pics that was on the HB Challenge thread or at least most of it.
Thanks....I bet he is knee deep in nookie. The girl texted me a couple times asking how i was. I went to work but came back home. I think she dosent want to be a pest when im sick. She offered to postpone the date but i said maybe. I will rest and see how it goes..no reply after that. Which is fine. I wouldn't reply. As far as Xmas value I will save it for the date. We have a lot in common. Both landlords. If I can be a bit of an ass hole I can build a little chemistry. She really has a tight body.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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